Clarification on Tarik Black’s Unsportsmanlike Penalty
I like many thought Tarik Blacks penalty was ridiculous. He clearly didn’t taunt anyone with his flexing but it turns out the flex wasn’t the reason he was flagged. According to NCAA rules on unsportsmanlike penalties players are prohibited from:
(a) Kicking, throwing, spinning or carrying (including off of the field) the ball any distance that requires an official to retrieve it.
So because Black flexed WITH the ball and didn’t give it back to the official right away this can be deemed unsportsmanlike. Setting the ball down or giving to the official then flexing would have been ok. I believe flexing was done by some other players during the game and no flags were thrown so the officials probably gave an explanation for the first flag.
November 17th, 2019 at 8:57 AM ^
Whatever...ad infinitum.
November 17th, 2019 at 11:39 AM ^
Right.....and yet i stand here calling BULLSHIT!
November 17th, 2019 at 8:25 PM ^
Watching BTN in 60 replay. Collins caught a ball, flexed, and flipped the ball to the ref. No flag. Explanation somewhere below about not giving the ball to the ref is likely correct.
November 17th, 2019 at 8:57 AM ^
An Iowa receiver did the exact same flex, no call. Just be consistent, I think that’s all anybody asks of referees.
November 17th, 2019 at 9:13 AM ^
Yup, the Black penalty was a load of bull honky!!
November 17th, 2019 at 9:36 AM ^
This call, like many, seemed like the result of an agenda by the refs to flag anything they thought might provoke the other team. All I could think of while watching this game is that they thought this game was going to get out of control.
I mean when was the last time someone saw a flagrant foul with immediate ejection called in a UM football game? It was 100% the right call but usually they spend like 10 minutes watching video of it first.
November 17th, 2019 at 10:23 AM ^
And they became stricter about this as the game went on and our lead grew bigger. Not sure the guy gets ejected if he makes that hit in the first quarter.
November 17th, 2019 at 1:31 PM ^
That allowed Harbaugh to keep the starters in and run up the score with less risk of something stupid getting them hurt.
November 17th, 2019 at 8:59 AM ^
Flex with the ball? Penalty.
Coach steps out in the field? Penalty
Get paid by an agent and then come clean 9 month’s later? Sit for the two worst teams on your schedule, then we good.
Run huge $$$ to recruits on your b-ball team? ...
November 17th, 2019 at 9:06 AM ^
You and I have very different definitions of “come clean”. I would say 2 game suspension for planned, osu-manicured statement that contains half truths and seeds phony talking points for B1G and OSU to politic in all media outlets. “Family Friend” that they met after he committed to OSU before but before frosh year. Give me a break.
November 17th, 2019 at 9:16 AM ^
All I can say is, BEWARE the officials during the M-OSU game. There will be pressure on the refs from "on high" to have a B1G team in the final 4, so look for lots of aggregious calls against us and missed calls against the Buck-Nuts.
November 17th, 2019 at 9:42 AM ^
I think the pressure will come in the form of the officials selected for the game, if you know what I mean. I predict more tender pats on Buckeye asses by the zebras.
November 17th, 2019 at 9:42 AM ^
What about the clear targeting call they missed against UM? Where is that thread?
After watching the OSU game last year and seeing all the non calls against UM and every call going against OSU, it was the first time I’ve ever believed a crew had an agenda. Human error for the refs is just part of the game, but it was obvious it was more than that, they wanted UM to win and to get into the playoffs. I legit wouldn’t be shocked if the reverse happens this year and if it does, you’ll just have to overcome it just as OSU did last year.
Edit after ? at the responses. The collective whining and hand wringing about Chase Young is hilarious.
November 17th, 2019 at 9:47 AM ^
U get the prize for...
November 17th, 2019 at 10:12 AM ^
Dipshittery
November 17th, 2019 at 9:48 AM ^
It’s with your mom
November 17th, 2019 at 10:05 AM ^
Go away
November 17th, 2019 at 10:16 AM ^
Go get on your knees and worship the wife-beater enabler you call a God before he goes and coaches USC or Notre Dame next year.
November 17th, 2019 at 10:23 AM ^
Except it was obviously not targeting? It was facemask to shoulder. Which even the commentator who thought it was terrible targeting alluded to, saying that when slowed down it was obviously not targeting. That targeting?
November 17th, 2019 at 12:50 PM ^
I'm going to assume you believe the nonsense you wrote. Always the conspiracy. You be cray-cray.
November 17th, 2019 at 10:10 AM ^
Yep, just like the 2018 game. Big 10 wanted Michigan in.
November 17th, 2019 at 10:28 AM ^
Yup. Four questions that have not been answered and never will be:
1. Who was the "family friend?"
2. What does the "family friend" do for a living?
3. How do they know the loan was repaid?
4. Why was the money given to Young and not the GF directly?
FWIW I have a friend deeply connected to the OSU athletic department. I asked him those same questions and he laughed and said "you have trust issues."
November 17th, 2019 at 10:44 AM ^
And not only that but, "why did it take 9 months for Chase to 'come clean' about it"? It looks like he was about to be found out and OSU orchestrated a minimally damaging admission of guilt. In fact, you'd have to be pretty gullible not to think that.
November 17th, 2019 at 4:13 PM ^
What are you talking about “taking 9 months to come clean”??? He didn’t walk into the NCAA office and say, hey I got something to tell you.
1. OSU was given credible information the loan occurred.
2. After speaking with Chase and him admitting he took a loan, OSU contacted the NCAA and voluntarily held him out of the MD game as the NCAA reviewed the matter
3. After their review, the NCAA gave Chase a two game suspension.
4. OSU didn’t appeal the NCAA suspension and held him out for the second game.
There was no 4 game suspension that various media outlets claimed. There was no “coming clean 9 months later, there was a tip, an admission of guilt and a corresponding NCAA penalty.
November 18th, 2019 at 1:23 AM ^
GrowOld's questions are spot on; number 4 is the one I'm most curious about.
If it were truly just a benevolent act by a well-meaning "family friend," why not just buy the plane ticket and give it directly to the "girlfriend?" Obviously they're going to stick with this ridiculous story, but I can't believe even the most rabid OSU fan can't honestly buy this flimsy story. I'd have much more respect if they just said, "yeah, dude got paid, but we know the NCAA won't do anything to us." Embrace your protected status! Don't hate the player, hate the game, right?
November 17th, 2019 at 12:41 PM ^
He probably has a ton of dirt on everyone too.
November 17th, 2019 at 12:07 PM ^
The hypocrisy runneth over.
November 17th, 2019 at 9:04 AM ^
Still ticky tack
November 17th, 2019 at 9:07 AM ^
He threw the flag because he could. Just some guy who can show a few million people that he's the man.
November 17th, 2019 at 9:10 AM ^
Or he was enforcing a rule.
November 17th, 2019 at 9:28 AM ^
"Oh my God.... you're from the 60's"
November 17th, 2019 at 10:46 AM ^
Yeah I really don’t think that was it. You have bitter rivals playing, one still has something to play for, the other can barely field an entire team. This was a chippy game with a lot of trash talking and their were numerous instances where a brawl was only one shove away. There was a LOT of tension on the field and these refs felt like they had to have zero tolerance for anything that might incite the other team. I’m not saying I agree with their calls, but I can’t blame them for calling it that way. I’ll also say they made the calls both ways.
November 17th, 2019 at 9:10 AM ^
Except he didn’t carry the ball anywhere. He stood up, flexed, and then immediately tossed the ball back. I don’t think it has anything to do with your interpretation of the rule - it’s just a bad call.
video: https://twitter.com/jdue51/status/1196052525486690304?s=21
November 17th, 2019 at 9:14 AM ^
It was the Ohio Fan Boy Choir out there. What more you you expect from those bozos?
November 17th, 2019 at 9:23 AM ^
You're delusional. It's a personal foul to celebrate with the ball. It's a very cut and dry rule.
November 17th, 2019 at 9:46 AM ^
Last week Zach Harrison was flagged for flexing after making a tackle. No ball involved, Mid flex he glanced in the direction of the ballcarrier. Flexing is more often than not going to be called as unsportsmanlike, and all the players know it.
November 17th, 2019 at 10:34 AM ^
He was flexing AT an opponent though. Which is clearly taunting. Flexing just to celebrate (at no one in particular) should not be a penalty, it’s no different than pointing forward on a first down play. It was a dumb call by the refs.
November 17th, 2019 at 10:02 AM ^
Yeah, it didn’t have anything to do with the ball. I think that’s why they flagged Cody White earlier, for flexing on our player.
November 17th, 2019 at 10:29 AM ^
Cody white clearly stood over khaleke, didn't let him up, and was talking shit the whole time. On a play that ended in his team's bench. That's absolutely the right call by the refs.
November 17th, 2019 at 9:15 AM ^
Always makes me laugh when the ref is signalling the call after the play, & the player with the ball sends it in their general direction (by which I mean ref's face). Next time just do that before you show us your muscles TB.
November 17th, 2019 at 9:25 AM ^
Stop being so miserable. it’s obvious the refs were trying to make sure they stayed in control of the game, nothing more nothing less, enjoy the big win and move on. Go Blue!
November 17th, 2019 at 9:25 AM ^
There will never be any consistency. It's whatever the refs are feeling at that moment.
They were ready to throw flags on anything yesterday to keep things in line. But yeah, that seemed a bit much.
November 17th, 2019 at 9:42 AM ^
It was an absurd play in an absurd series of events.
November 17th, 2019 at 9:56 AM ^
How is this different than a player celebrating a first down by signaling for the ref?
November 17th, 2019 at 9:58 AM ^
It was bullshit.
November 17th, 2019 at 10:07 AM ^
Okay, what about when the MSU DLman threw the ball no where near the official? I can't remember when, sometime in the first half
November 17th, 2019 at 10:07 AM ^
It was the "perception" or the possible perception of grandstanding to the opposing team designed to taunt by flexing that drew the flag. The Refs decided to keep the game under tight control following the Myles Garret incident the Sunday prior. This is all purely conjecture and an irresponsible thought process on my own behalf, but it needed sharing.
November 17th, 2019 at 10:32 AM ^
Can someone explain to me what Garret has to do with this game? We know it's going to be chippy, I have no issue with the zebras wanting to make sure it doesn't get beyond their control, but to blame it on a single NFL player in a single game looks like a solution looking for an issue.
November 17th, 2019 at 10:32 AM ^
Nothing to do with Garrett. These teams hate each other. There's history there that everyone knows. They know what happened last year. They called this game tight to keep it from turning into a brawl (that would've been a realistic expectation). Not because they saw Garrett Thursday night.