I have seen several people comment that the bowl game is make or break for RR. I can't see how the bowl game makes much difference. Our bowl opponent has yet to be determined and could be either very tough, mediocre, or somewhere between. The main arguments for replacing RR: bad defense, losses to rivals, 33% winning percentage in conference will not be changed by a bowl victory. The main arguments for retaining RR: improvement, youth/inexperience, offensive genius, etc. also will not be changed by the bowl result. I have to believe that DB has a good idea about what he will do and is just checking with his subordinates and being sure he is not too hasty in his decision. Also, like an NFL receiver in the end zone, AD's must complete the process or any decision they make will be void.
CC: Does the bowl game really matter for RR?
Did your cat step all over the keyboard when you were trying to type the title?
Maybe it gives us a clue of what was going on in the other tab he had open.
it's time for
As suggested by michgoblue (who offered the original proposal to use 'CC' for posts on the Coachgate Controversy, or coaching change) and modified by profitgoblue in this thread. The acronym stands for "ME-TALKING-ABOUT-NOTHING-I-REALLY-LIKE-TO-HEAR-MYSELF-SPEAK-DO-NOT-WASTE-YOUR-TIME-MOVE-ON-NOTHING-TO-SEE-HERE."
I think the bowl game is very important. 8-5 is apretty decent year. 7-6, not so much. If it wasn't important, I think DB would have announced that he's staying or fired him already.
With a fairly bad D (that would make us drool today) (and only one top ten team in conference - that they beat)
I agree, the outcome of the game must have some bearing on his decision. I can't really see them fire him at 8-5
how about we make some new threads that speculate about Dave Brandon's motives?
rather have threads blaming everyone for Dee's not official decommit.
You are reading my mind!!
The bowl game does matter, because if we go out and lose to Northern Illinois in the December 21st bowl, he will be fired regardless.
Next person to make one of these should get mgohanged
This is a good question, and I think the answer is "no." I hope I am wrong, but suspect that the decision to make a decision after the bowl is purely a matter of accomodating Jim Harbaugh. If Harbaugh wants the job, I get the feeling it's his.
That, and perhaps also the desire to save $1.5 million (RR's buyout goes down after Jan. 1).
for your obnoxious thread title.
You get an up-vote from this guy simply because of your disclaimer in the thread title - you incorporating an obsecure reference from a previous thread is outstanding!
Yes, I think the bowl game and extra practices are a very important component of DB's evaluation. Over the next 4 weeks and 15 or so extra practices, this will be an excellent opportunity for RR to show everyone that the results in practice can carry over to big games. If that doesn't happen, then well, that doesn't help RR's case.
Doesn't matter. Why should it. You get a month to prepare, you better win your damn game. Fuck, I mean that's how Coach Stew secured his job isn't it? Beating OU in Fiesta? Just because RR can beat a middle of the road Big 12 or SEC team doesn't mean he can replicate the results against Big Ten teams during consecutive weeks. I like Brandon, but he is making a fucking mistake by waiting until January. More recruits will leave, and then what. Makes absolutely no sense unless JHScramble is coming here. Fuck.
The other team has a month to prepare also, if I am not mistaken.
they don't find any holes in our defense to exploit.
My Take: A Nice Inane Rant Like Those Heavily Mucking the Site. Please Don't Neg What You Think's My Opinion, Neg This Stupid Headline
Am I close?
an excuse to use the new disclaimor. Thanks to Profitgoblue for creating a way to indicate the posts that are not worth reading (like this one).
"For a post like this, I propose a totally new designation:
"'ME-TALKING-ABOUT-NOTHING-I-REALLY-LIKE-TO-HEAR-MYSELF-SPEAK-DO-NOT-WASTE-YOUR-TIME-MOVE-On_NOTHING-TO-SEE-HERE: _______ (insert name of thread)'"
Is that a Hobbesian choice?
Again, this is outstanding. Even the people who have no interest in what you are saying should reward you for the disclaimer. This is how it should be done if people feel the need to start posts seeped in opinion. At least that's my opinion.
I really believe DB knows what his decision is and if the Dee Hart rumors are true i believe RR is gone which may mean another 3 years of lossing yayy...heres a idea fire the Pizza guy..
Please do not breed.
Look, this is a tough call among us -- on one hand the team's record has been improving, on the other hand that Wisconsin game was ugly and the OSU game wasn't much better. For all any of us know Brandon might be going back and forth on this himself. Brandon's a sharp guy and he has access to all kinds of info we don't, but that doesn't automatically mean this is an easy call for him either.
In this kind of situation the last impression is liable to loom large with fans, alumni, donors, and ultimately the AD too.
Loved the thread title
I don't think the bowl game matters either, but that's not why DB is doing it. He's letting JH coach his bowl, then announcing him as our coach. Maybe that's the only way JH will do it, but that's my consipiracy theory. Maybe it means we lose a recruit or two in the process, but those are probably the recruits we would lose if he were hired today.
that DB has made a preliminary decision. He is either waiting out JH or making a show of really thinking about the situation to appease the RR haters.
Which mind do you want to get inside more: JH or DB
Was his a choice?
Sorry but no man with a million points.
But I didn't like the choices.
I want in your mind...just how did you achieve such MGoPoint superiority? Are you Brian's alter ego?
My mind is filled with beer hops and bong resin.
for awesome movie.
"I did call...earlier...I mean later..."
"O yea? What number did you dial?"
"What were you calling from, a walkie-talkie?! And did I catch a 9er in there"
"It was cordless."
I think you should complain.
Can mgoblog just close for a few weeks until after the bowl game. People are flipping out about every little thing of late. JIM HARBAUGH USED TO DRINK. DAVE BRANDON NEEDS TO HURRY UP AND MAKE HIS DECISION. RICH RODRIGUEZ IS A BAD COACH. Blah blah blah....Just chill everyone. Either we have Harbaugh next season and we get better or we have RR next season with a new D staff and coordinator (3rd time is a charm) and we get better. If we don't get better with RR next season, he's gone and then we get Harbaugh. With a lockout looming, my guess is Luck stays at Stanford. Harbaugh will probably stay with him. If Harbaugh decides to take an NFL job, that means he wouldn't have wanted to stay at Michigan for a long time anyway. Everything will be okay no matter what.
of Harbaugh assumes that the team will be better next year with him? I remember when the move du jour was getting rid of Lloyd. I've really enjoyed beating some of my so-called friends over the head with that one, too, reminding them that they won, they got their wish.
Does a bear shit in the woods?
No one with less than 10,000 points can open a coaching change thread.
Rich Rod is are coach, so for now FUCK JH!! He has his own team right now, and if Michigan was to play Stanford, he would try to kill us, so yea FUCK JH!!When he signs a contract to coach Um(hopefully 20yrs 4rm now when RR retires) then ill kiss his ass like CC!!
You make a lot of subtle, sophisticated points.
that performance can improve over time. If Rodriguez pulls one out over Meyer's Gators after having Denard heal up and getting the defense the extra bowl practices, do you really think we won't be capable of thrashing a Penn State or holding our own (if not righting the universe by annihilating) the MSUs of the Big Ten next year?
I agree it makes little sense to wait til after the bowl game, but an impressive win would make it seem incoherent to hire JH.
Winning a bowl game should not matter. If however they were to play someone like Oklahoma or Oklahoma State and blow them out like 48-0 would it change people's minds?
I guess I was thinking about a likely outcome like a 42-24 loss to Oklahoma or a 35-32 win over Missouri. Unless something unexpected happens in the bowl game, I can't see how DB's decision could be affected. Many people were simply saying that a win or a loss would seal or break some deal. I don't see it that way.
I don't think just a win would change anything. I was referring to a totally dominating performance(probably unlikely) where the offense is totally off the charts efficient ,and explosive scoring points at will.The defense is stout beyond anyone's imagination with interceptions and forced fumbles and plenty of three and outs,and pitch a shut out good.
I think at this point, evidence points towards RR being on his way out the door. From a logical standpoint it's the only scenario that makes sense. Dave Brandon is not a dumb person, he understands the negative effect that holding out with his decision until after the bowl game is having on the program.
I can't think of one reason, from Brandon's perspective, as to why you wouldn't come out and say "We're keeping Rich around," if that were indeed the case. That would only help out the program. I also have a hard time believing he hasn't already made up his mind on what he is doing. This points towards him already having a coach in mind and just waiting for the season to play out before he finalizes everything.
I wouldn't mind keeping RR around, but as each day goes by, that outcome seems to get further and further away.
Here are the possible explanations:
1) DB is waiting because HE is going to make a change on the defensive side of the ball. If he has a press conference and announces that RR is staying and is getting a contract extension, then the next question will be, "Are all of the coaches staying?"
By waiting to make an announcement, he can delay answering that question.
This is why I don't think DB waiting tells us one way the other on RR, but GERG is GAURANSHEED to be outta here.
2) DB is assuming that since there is a quite period and kids can still register AFTER he has announced his decision, that it doesn't really affect recruiting.
3) DB honestly believes that each person should be evaluated at the "end of the year," not before. It's an integrity thing with him.