Cade McNamara and the Rudockening Myth

Submitted by Teeba on December 1st, 2021 at 12:52 PM

This Board post was inspired by a tweet I saw from Seth, where he stated,

I read "Pair of Michigan stars" as Haskins was finally getting his due. Pop in the article and it's Cade. No offense to QB1's Rudockening over the season, but he wasn't the offense's main engine.

I contend that McNamara has been McNamara all season long, and the only Rudockening that is going on is with members of the fanbase who were late to give Cade his due. One way to rationalize the cyanization of Cade is to claim that he wasn't very good initially, and got better as the season went along - the Rudockening effect. A review of the stats will show that this is not the case.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/cade-mcnamara-1/gamelog/2021/

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/jake-rudock-1/gamelog/2015/

Let's start with Rudock. There is a very clear distinction between his first 8 games and his last 5 games. The first 8 shows him put up QBRs of 119, 120, 117, 134, 101, 139, 116, and 124. He amassed 6 TDs over that span versus 7 INTs. The light bulb then goes on in game 9 as he proceeds to put up QBRs of 212, 191, 134, 139, and 172. TD:INT ratio over that span is 14:2. Coincidentally, his light bulb occurs during the Rutgers game.

Now let's look at Cade. QBRs for his first 6 games go 246, 71, 249, 142, 143, and 109. He has a TD:INT ratio of 5:1. The Washington and Nebraska games stand out, but those are tough defenses. The MSU game is supposedly his Rudockening lightbulb moment. I would suggest that a fully weaponized Andrel Anthony had more to do with that than any sudden leveling-up from Cade. Nevertheless, he finishes the regular season with 147, 171, 163, 176 and 128 QBRs with 9:2 TD:INT ratio, almost the same ratio as the first 6 games.

Cade's 2 best games from a QBR perspective are games 1 and 3. Not late season games. Rudock's best games were games 9 and 10. If you counter with opponent caveats for Cade's game 1 and 3, Rudock's opponents for games 9 and 10 were Rutgers and Indiana (the 2015 Indiana).

One last comment about Seth's tweet. I'm reminded of Harbaugh's quote about comparing players.

https://www.mlive.com/wolverines/2015/11/jim_harbaugh_asked_to_compare.html

When it gets into questions about comparing one thing to another or one person to another, I avoid it like the plague," Harbaugh said Monday afternoon. "Somebody always gets diminished.

"They're both good. They're both great."

I agree. They (McNamara and Haskins) are both great. I'm a huge Haskins fan. I was arguing he should be getting the bulk of the carries in 2020. But we're forgetting about someone. 2021 Michigan football stats show:

Cade McNamara: 8.1 yards per attempt

Blake Corum: 6.4 yards per carry

Hassan Haskins: 5.0 yards per carry

The one constant is an offensive line that allowed those three to demonstrate their skills. But offensive linemen really don't win Heisman trophies.

Blake Forum

December 1st, 2021 at 12:56 PM ^

Cade is clearly the best quarterback Harbaugh has had at Michigan. I think we can say that definitively. Not to take anything from Rudock, who was solid and had some good games at the end, but the conventional wisdom that Michigan would take a step forward when quarterback play took a step forward turned out to be true. Cade could've put up much more impressive stats if asked. It's one of many testaments to his character that the opportunity to put up gaudy numbers was clearly not what he was here to do. He's a leader and winner first, and his actual play is more than good enough to back up those traits

TeslaRedVictorBlue

December 1st, 2021 at 1:47 PM ^

Key in that is that when he makes mistakes (rarely), he doesnt implode. When he makes minor mistakes, they have not been major ones (other than the psu fumble - IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWED BY A 60 YARD TD). If he hadnt been in the injury tent, im pretty confident we win that msu game. Up 3 with the ball at midfield... 

He also doesnt talk to the media. He is no drama - he's finding his voice (see osu game) as a leader, and he gets along with and cheers JJ on.

His accuracy on the deep ball is pretty good on average to an emerging, but not yet an elite group of WRs. 

What the f-hole is there not to like?? 

rice4114

December 1st, 2021 at 3:37 PM ^

Half of our fan base is treating him like Verbal Kint. It'll will be that moment he walks off the field leaving a distraught Georgia wondering where it all went wrong when you will know his name. By then it will be too late he will already be hoisting up the trophy.

The greatest trick Cade ever pulled was convincing the world he did not exist. And like that... he is gone.

BTB grad

December 1st, 2021 at 2:31 PM ^

He’s the best utilized QB we’ve had since Chad Henne. I say utilized because Denard and Gardner definitely had better skill sets and could’ve been Heisman finalists if we had an OL, a functional running game via RBs, a coaching staff that was smart enough to not line up two 5 star dual threat QBs in an I formation or to not change the latter’s position to WR halfway thru his college career.

bluesalt

December 1st, 2021 at 12:58 PM ^

Cade’s two best games were against MAC opponents.  Rudock opened at Utah, and had his first four games against two PAC-12 teams, a ranked BYU team, and UNLV.  The way the schedule set up for the two was very different, and it feels like you’re not accounting for that at all.

That said, I think Cade has had a terrific year and thought he was our best option all season long.

HateSparty

December 1st, 2021 at 12:59 PM ^

Michigan wins the B10 Championship with strong Cade play.  Michigan wins a playoff game with strong Cade play.  Michigan wins a National Title with strong Cade play.  All three things are true and I am of the opinion that they do not without it.  I am also of the opinion that all three can occur.

Go Blue!  Rooting for Cade to be exceptional.

 

kejamder

December 1st, 2021 at 1:03 PM ^

I understand how important the QB can be and why everyone wants to talk about the QB, but no amount of comments will convince the authors of this blog (or me) that Cade is the driving force of  this team's success. I've seen other QBs melt down in similar circumstances, and he hasn't done that, to his great and everlasting credit, but he simply is not the engine of the team's success. It's the lines, as Jibbroni already said. 

wolverinestuckinEL

December 1st, 2021 at 1:36 PM ^

That was the formula in 97 as well.  It also turns out Brian Griese wasn't just a "game manager" if his NFL career is any indication.  Maybe it takes a really special QB to know that he doesn't have to do too much and can lean on his defense and offensive lines to win the game.  My only knock on Cade is we know he's not super mobile, but he has to be able to step up in the pocket and take off when the defense gives it to him which he did at least once Saturday.  

GoBlue96

December 1st, 2021 at 1:00 PM ^

I think the better comparison for Cade is Brian Griese.  They have similar stats but the thing that sticks out is their leadership abilities and ability to execute a game plan and read defenses.  

jmblue

December 1st, 2021 at 1:01 PM ^

Against Washington, Cade was 7-15 for 44 yards.  Can you imagine him putting up a stat line like that now?

His trajectory may not be precisely identical to Rudock's, but there's no doubt that the staff trusts him a lot more now than it did in September.

Jonesy

December 1st, 2021 at 6:56 PM ^

Passing became an afterthought because he couldnt hit wide open short passes let alone anything else. Same thing happened in another game. Two games the OC had to stop calling passes because Cade couldnt execute the simplest pass play. Compare that to now. He's a completely different player.

UMBSnMBA

December 1st, 2021 at 1:26 PM ^

Agreed.  I think that our receivers have developed into a group that is as good as any.  Someone on a different thread was commenting on our inability to lure some 5 star recruit WR.  My guess is that he looked at all the young talent and decided to go elsewhere.  It seems like all these highest rated kids want to go somewhere and play immediately (or Alabama).

NeverPunt

December 1st, 2021 at 1:05 PM ^

Cade is a tough qb to evaluate based solely on snaps and stats. His ability to pre-snap read a defense seems to be quite high, which leads to things like our incredibly low sack rate and combined with the rushing attack, the ability to sustain drives. His decision-making is also quite strong, leading to only a couple of INTs on the year. He's also selflessly shared reps with JJ when the game demanded it. 

Listening to MMQB with Devin Gardner and Sam Webb, it seems like he's come a long way as QB throughout the year as you would expect from an inexperienced but talented kid, even if the stats don't necessarily bear that out. He's rarely been asked to win a game himself but he's done a lot to put us in a position to win the games we have.

He's also a leader who has since that shit Rutgers game last year when he led a comeback has been unafraid to be a leader despite his youth and pushed this team to be better. 

He'll never put up stats like a Bryce Young or CJ Stroud, but the results speak for themselves in his team's record and results. Glad he's our QB1 this year and looking forward to seeing what he can do the next few weeks. His moment may be yet coming if we run up against a team that can stop the run.

Swayze Howell Sheen

December 1st, 2021 at 1:05 PM ^

"The one constant is an offensive line that allowed those three to demonstrate their skills. But offensive linemen really don't win Heisman trophies."

I loved this conclusion. Three cheers for the O LINE!

azee2890

December 1st, 2021 at 1:07 PM ^

Cade is the smartest, most efficient, inconsistent QB i've seen at Michigan. He is smart, has good pocket presence, and usually makes the right play. What fails him is his stature (batted down balls) and his accuracy/arm strength (very inconsistent). Sometimes, he'll drop an absolute dime that makes you think he is the next Tom Brady. Then he misses an easier throw a few plays later. More reps will help with the accuracy and his side arm delivery is an interesting development to combat his stature problem. The most important thing is that we know he has what we need above his shoulders. 

Golden section

December 1st, 2021 at 3:03 PM ^

Cade is the smartest, most efficient, inconsistent QB i've seen at Michigan.

Aren't efficient and inconsistent somewhat at odds? 

He can struggle because his mechanics are a little flawed. But he's still consistent.

More reps won't necessarily help with accuracy if he doesn't correct the mechanics. 

Devin Gardner said you don't have time to correct mechanics during the season and generally they get worse.

Cade overcomes the shortcoming of his delivery through the other factors you mentioned, intelligence and moxy. But I don't think he'll be elite if he doesn't tweak his throwing motion.  

Blue Vet

December 1st, 2021 at 1:12 PM ^

Hold on. You're trying to convince us that Cade stayed the same but what we chattered at each changed?

That's plain silly. This brilliant MGoBlogosphere has remained thoroughly consistent. We all knew Cade would be good eventually and, look, he's good! We all knew that Harbaugh would turn things around. We all knew Michigan would not only beat the The osu team, but dominate.

How dare you impugn our forecasting skills?

snarling wolverine

December 1st, 2021 at 1:16 PM ^

In 2000, redshirt frosh John Navarre looked like an All-American against two cream puffs to start the season.  Then he went to UCLA and struggled, a ton.  Stats don’t always tell the full story, especially against MAC defenses.

I definitely think Cade is a better quarterback now than in September.  I can’t imagine him now playing like he did against Washington or Rutgers.

bsand2053

December 1st, 2021 at 1:17 PM ^

I love data as much as the next guy, but it has to be combined with the eye test.  Imo Cade started fairly strong, struggled a bit in the middle when he couldn’t hit a receiver downfield to save his life, and has since perked back up 

Don

December 1st, 2021 at 1:19 PM ^

Game Manager QB #1:

193 completions/307 attempts; 62.9%; 17 TDs/6 INTs; 2293 yds; 11.9 yds per completion

Game Manager QB #2:

183 completions/284 attempts; 64.4%; 14 TDs/3 INTs; 2301 yds; 12.6 yds per completion

One of these QBs is Cade McNamara in 2021, and the other is Brian Griese in 1997.

FB Dive

December 1st, 2021 at 1:20 PM ^

First, minor gripe, the numbers you're citing are passer rating (college version), not QBR, which is a bullshit and useless metric made up by ESPN.

But secondly, and more importantly, even though passer rating is better than QBR, it's still a blind metric that doesn't take into account a host of critical factors like strength of opponent, difficulty of throw, down and distance, or even YAC. Hence why passer rating prefers Cade's games against the MAC teams to his game against Ohio State. Cade hit critical throw after critical throw against Ohio State -- the 2nd quarter bomb to Johnson, the flea flicker, and the 3rd down conversion when we were down 10-7 all stand out. Compare that to the Rutgers game when he couldn't hit an open receiver for a whole half.

Cade's struggles in the early season were *probably* overstated, but there's no serious doubt his confidence and level of play got better as the season went on.

JamieH

December 1st, 2021 at 1:21 PM ^

Cade has been exactly what this team needs.  Finds the open guy, moves the chains, doesn't turn it over, hits on enough deep balls to keep defenses honest.

Will he be what we need next year?  Dunno. If JJ is lighting it up in practice, he will get his shot.




 

Hab

December 1st, 2021 at 1:21 PM ^

I've maintained from the start that Cade was this team's best chance for success.  Be that as it may, I don't expect your post to be received kindly despite the afterglow of the OSU win.

stephenrjking

December 1st, 2021 at 1:27 PM ^

This provides some per-game stats but neglects to mention that Cade was kept pretty uninvolved early in the season. Against Washington he was 7 of 14 for 44 yards and the coaches actively lit a potential 2-minute scoring drive on fire rather than have him throw. Now, they didn't wind up needing those points, but Michigan was only leading by 10 at the end of the first half, and we have literally lost games to Washington in flukes that produced bigger point margin changes than that.

Two weeks later was kind of the nadir. Against a meh Rutgers team at home, Cade was 9 for 16 for 163 yards, and the offense simply could not do anything in the second half, allowing Rutgers to claw back into the game and actually get the ball with a chance to tie/win late. 

Cade trended up from there, but his improved performances still had flaws up until the breakout MSU game. 

MSU is a bad pass defense, but Cade exploited it and kept the train moving. His repertoire improved, too--prior to MSU, Michigan virtually never asked him to throw over the middle, but against MSU he was picking openings in zone coverages to hit Erick All and firing a brilliant pass to Andrel Anthony in the most difficult circumstances possible. Then, against Penn State, he fired a 20-yard TD to Roman Wilson right down the middle of the field (FWIW I wonder if OSU baited him to try the same thing on the pick Saturday). 

That's growth. A lot of growth. The guy that beat PSU with key passes and played efficiently and with poise against Ohio State is not the same guy that the coaches refused to trust against Washington or Rutgers. Maybe they figured he had it and just wanted to play it safe in those games, but there was a difference. Unquestionably. 

Seth

December 1st, 2021 at 1:27 PM ^

Me:

You:

I'm beyond sick of you and your total lack of nuance. Game 1 was Western Michigan. Game 3 was Northern Illinois. He had a total of 18 gradable downfield throws in those two games. And you want to make those performances comparable to going against Ohio State and their two-deep shell? Actually no, you just want to beat this very dead horse to death more because it gives you some perverse pleasure to piss me off with your inanity.

I warned to you knock it off and you start a board thread instead. All you are is a Maizen except your hobby horse is pumping up Cade McNamara instead of whining about 3-star recruiting. That you're positive about the team and wrong makes you infinitely more tolerable than that pestilence, but it really annoys the hell out of me that people take what you have to say for wisdom when it's really not.

I don't know what else to do with you, so your points are gone and with them your ability to post threads so I don't waste any more time I should be using to write the UFR on someone who thinks they can do better.