Boomer Esiason Theory RE CFB and COVID-19
https://www.tigernet.com/update/Boomer-Esiason-suggests-CFB-players-including-Clemson-are-getting-COVID-19-on-purpose-35762?fbclid=IwAR381eBFKEoZ1Jc2e_EZIsfL5_JqZDrJOOKkZN3AT9k3oJxCZid1ZDPq-Rc
This thought came into my mind a while back when the team infections started getting reported. Basically, Boomer suggests some of the SEC teams + Clemson might be letting their players get the virus before the season starts, so as to develop some "team herd immunity" and decrease the odds they will lose critical players once the season starts. Considering that the two teams that seem to have had the worst outbreaks are LSU and Clemson, plus a few other SEC teams, it's not as absurd as most conspiracy theories.
Caveats: The South is going through a peak right now in general, so this could just be a totally natural reflection of that. Also, there doesn't really need to be a "conspiracy" here per se; no one is saying they are intentionally infecting players. They could just say, "kids, go live your lives, go to bars, parties, and commingle as much as possible like normal between now and August. You won't get in trouble." Then boom, the team has all had it by August...
Final thought...this reminds me of the chickenpox party episode on South Park. Do you think the players will get mad at Dabo and hire a "lady of the night" to use his toothbrush and give him all the herpes???
Well, it's not a terrible idea Boomer.
yep, I called this from the day I heard about the Clemson players.
Winning football games and making money is all that matters to a lot of schools. This is not surprising in the least.
It's the smart thing to do. I would encourage it if I were a coach. 100% of football players will have had the Covid by January 1st, guaranteed. How could they not? Some of these players exchange more bodily fluids with other players over the course of 3 hours than normal people do during sex.
And I would bet the players encourage it amongst themselves. They know the negative Covid outcomes in their age group and fitness level are so small as to be practically non-existent, and athletes generally think themselves invincible anyway.
Hell, they probably high-five each other every time someone comes up positive.
This assumes they can't get reinfected. Which is a big assumption at this point.
It's not a big assumption at this point. There are 10 million cases around the world, and there are no confirmed reports in the medical literature of someone being reinfected.
Actually there are documented cases of people being reinfected
Kevin,and re-infections if any have been rare and only mild symptoms.
No proof of infection by mail, fomite,breath. Only by coughing&sneezing. Infectious up to 11 days after infection.
We've learned alot about the virus that contradicts the reasoning for unprecedented mitigation steps. So far the spike is mainly healthy with light symptons. Because hospitalizations and deaths keep going down. And the experts know quarantining as we did merely postponed the needed herd immunity.
cdc.gov/covid
Jesus this is ignorant. There are documented cases of reinfected individuals. This is why the US has the worst results, herd ignorance. Fucking Fox News.
No, no, no, no, NO. There are examples of people testing positive after having been declared negative. That is NOT the same as being reinfected. Testing positive does not give any indication of whether you're infected, or infectious. It just means the virus DNA was detected.
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-covid19-reinfection-immune-response
Now, a May 19 report from the Korean Centers for Disease Control and Prevention shows that samples from “reinfected” patients don’t have infectious viruses. The finding hints that the diagnostic tests are picking up on the genetic material from noninfectious or dead viruses. That lack of infectious virus particles means these people aren’t currently infected and can’t transmit the coronavirus to others, the researchers say.
They almost certainly can eventually but almost certainly not within the next 6 months. As Communist points out, it hasn't been documented to have happened yet out of millions of cases.
Well I actually know of a case. Names withheld of course. Infected in April, retested last week as positive.
It's not really a question of re-infection, it's a question of how soon someone who actually gets sick would take to recover. Even otherwise healthy people without co-morbidities who get sick enough to require medical attention are largely not bouncing back in a couple weeks, they're taking months.
If a player gets to the point of requiring attention, which will hopefully be very few, they're a genuine risk to miss the whole season.
All the more reason to get them sick three months before the season, says Dabo.
What I'm saying is even players getting infected today are risking their seasons.
It's only 2 months before scheduled kickoff, and getting 100 players infected over the next couple weeks will probably lead to a couple of them getting sick enough to require medical intervention. Even assuming they get discharged after a week or two, now you're creeping up on August. If you're sick for months (or at least below the level of physical performance a college football player needs), you're missing most if not all of the season or at least not performing 100%. The time to get sick would have been in February or March.
So it's a roll of the dice. The strategy would be that you figure losing a couple of people for the season isn't as bad as losing 25 of them to a mandatory quarantine in the middle of the year even if they're asymptomatic.
Yeah, I was just joking.
I do think you're overestimating the likelihood of multiple of them, let alone one of them requiring medical intervention, assuming you mean hospitalization by that, and overestimating the time it would take them to recover.
It's likely that our assumptions of hospitalization rates amongst young people are way too high right now because we have no idea how many young people have had it with mild or no symptoms. Our denominator on that calculation is way, WAY too low in all likelihood.
We're likely suffering from pretty severe availability bias when it comes to this disease. At least I hope we are and all new evidence seems to point in that direction.
If asypmtomatic gets infected again then we are all fucked. Thankfully most don't agree that will happen
But you can get reinfected. It has happened already.
You say "fitness level" but, the CDC (and many others) have already identified obesity as a major factor in poor outcomes (note: Covid patients, even young ones, experience many health problems that stop short of death).
Should offensive/defensive linemen sit out? They are, according to BMI, obese. Some significantly so. I know they're athletes, but obesity matters here, even if you're fitter than other people your size.
“Some of these players exchange more bodily fluids with other players over the course of 3 hours than normal people do during sex.“
— I never “exchanged“ a drop of bodily fluid with another football player and I played seven years of organized football, from peewee through high school.
What kind of popcorn do we want for this thread? Orville in the microwave or white cheddar corn out of the bag?
Fauxmo will bring the severed arms to munch on.
Detroit's finest!!!
Wow, jalapeno cheddar, that looks fantastic, beats the pistachios I've been snacking on through my video meetings every afternoon when my camera's off.
Cool story bro: I lived on a floor in South Quad with the son of the owner of Better Made (this was unbeknownst to me at the time). One day, dude brings in a huuge box of Better Made chips to share and just to bust his chops a little bit, I was like, “awh man, couldn’t you have sprung for Lays or something good”. He was like, “well, my Dad owns Better Made, so I brought these”. I politely thanked him and showed myself to the door (of my own dorm room).
Hopefully this doesn’t devolve into a shitshow, but I’ve got snacks if needed!
Boomer Esiason, covidiot
Second greatest QB of all time on the Covidiot list.....
So I didn't really deep dive into the Sopwith diary about how immunity is unproven, but I have seen some posts around the web about Tcell studies popping up and showing encouraging signs. I'm sure Dabo and Venables are watching them closely. Penny for someone's thoughts other than our boards surgeon general?
I think it's a risky move. What if one of the guys who gets infected is one of the few in that age group who needs to be hospitalized? Or more likely, just has a worse with with it and is sick for 2-3 weeks, missing lots of conditioning drills and team meetings, and when camp actually starts, shows up 10 pounds lighter and out of shape?
And the other bad part is tomorrow is July - if they don't all catch it fast and instead infect each other in waves, you might have a big group who are out during August camp and it bleeds into the season. And that's not even getting into if any the players show up to practice when they shouldn't and get one or more of the coaches sick who won't bounce back nearly as quickly.
https://twitter.com/andrewazman/status/1271414998234017794
Trust Science. This is a Hopkins study of the Swiss population. This virus is absolutely zero threat to these players, and they arent going to sacrifice millions for it.
I get it, but that’s death! Don’t know too many people willing to sign up to be sick for a week or two either though. The odds of them dying are very slim, but we still have no advanced data on the long-term effects this virus may have on the body.
have you ever been in a car?
I think this is probably just 20 year olds doing what 20 year olds do. That bar in EL caused like 85+ cases directly and 30+ more when one of the patrons went back home to Grosse Pointe.
I wish they'd make the contact tracing info public, so I could avoid those places.
Yeah I agree with you...young adults being young adults. Trying to think what I would be like in my 20s at this time, probably do similar stupid shit.
The bar scene has to go for a while, a long while.
Die Hard - Is that going to solve anything? Assuming you mean the campus bar scene, it'll just transition into more house parties. Kids gonna kid.
I mean, yeah, good point...im out of ideas. haha
The only thing making contract tracing public info would accomplish is to make people (even) more hesitant to get tested or give information on where they actually were.
I'm not suggesting we out individuals, but if the Kroger down the street had 5 infected people visit, and Meijer had 100, that information would be nice to have when we're deciding which places to shop at.
And if you were Meijer, would you start letting Johnny off to go get tested if he asked? And like being compared to a Kroger that employs half as many people?
Heck it was bad enough for the businesses that had to keep running to feed us being in the news every time some people came up positive. I also can't imagine having some news truck outside every time someone in my business came up positive. Perhaps if our media were a little more restrained... but yeah, right.
If I'm Meijer I want to know if my customers and employees are spreading the virus so I can take steps to mitigate the risk.
I suppose a restaurant or bar would have been a better example, because I'm positive that's where the spread is happening. Indoors, no masks, +booze, and we're off to the races.
Most states have fairly strict limits on indoor guests/customers. So outside of states like Florida or Texas, Bars aren’t the issue.
Watching the timeline of cases we did not see the dramatic drop after two months of quarantine we should have. No bars, no restaurants, no clubs, social scenes going on and cases were steady and some states rising. So, curious about the entire thing as cases continued to rise.
Most states are allowing outside seating with social distancing requirements and limits on the numbers that can be at a location.
Cases dropped like a rock in MI, NY, NY, and other cases that took the lockdown and mask wearing seriously. California never did, so their curve didn't really flatten. And since wearing a mask makes you gay, they never really did that in TX and FL.
You see the results now.
New York has herd immunity.
everyone in New York left when the numbers were peaking taking it to other states.
Resident of CA here and we took the virus as serious as anyone. First state to issue shelter at home policies, late reopenings, and very high mask wearing.
The issues in CA are likely that:
1) because of that early action and favorable spring weather the didn't have people cooped up inside, we had extremely low infection rates per capita through March and April which means that more of the population is susceptible, far more than the tri-state area and probably MI and IL and some other harder hit states. As the state has opened, and a mostly vulnerable population starts mingling again, we're seeing increased spread.
2) Weather in CA is now getting so hot in much of the state that people are coming indoors and closing windows (to crank AC) which is ideal conditions for spreading.
3) even though we're seeing record high infections, the per capita rates are still not astronomical. It's a huge state. So looking at raw numbers without adjusting for population always made CA a place that could look bad.
California is only running a 6% positive rate right now. That's not bad. California's high numbers are mainly a function of being a huge state that tests a lot. They're getting close to 100,000 tests a day.
Arizona and Texas and Florida are much bigger problems, really. Part of that is due to the fact that they never really had much of an outbreak in the first place. IMO they could never have reopened without a big spike. Fact is, "herd immunity" is just like personal immunity: it's not a black and white thing. It's a spectrum. And it goes without saying that introducing the virus into a fresh, unexposed population (like Texas for example) will make it spread a lot faster than re-introducing into a population that already had a huge outbreak (like NYC.)
We are seeing a lot more cases than we ever saw in the first outbreak, but the country runs more than twice as many tests as it did two months ago. The number of deaths we had last week could double, and it would still be around half what it was at the first peak. Cases-wise this wave looks bad. Deaths-wise (which is all that matters) it will be much milder than before.
Yes, this is absolutely what's happening. I agree it's not a concerted effort but everyone involved knows that it would be better to have this thing now than during the season.
Just my opinion, but this is why it's reckless to try to have college sports right now. It forces everyone involved to make decisions that might be counter to what they would do if they were only concerned with their health and the health of those around them.
Not even a hot take by Boomer, IMO. Probably not even a bad strategy given the microscopic risk it poses to players. Let them get it while doing voluntary workouts with the coaches not there yet so they're less likely to infect the coaches and staff later. Maybe even safer for the community as whole?
They certainly don't care that the players are getting it. I suggested this very thing, only in partial jest, after Clemson did not shut down their workouts after 23 players tested positive.
Mind you, this was a week after only two players tested positive so they didn't arrive with the virus, they got it while working out / socializing on campus. So they knew it was spreading and simply did not care. And then of course 14 more guys got it the following week to make a whopping 37.
Still think it's way premature to talk about the risk levels to the young and athletic.
I'd hazard a guess that Rudy Gobert is in better shape than even the majority of Michigan football players, and he's still having issues. Sure it's "just" his sense of smell, but a neurological issue is a big deal and probably not something to just dismiss.
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29380004/jazz-rudy-gobert-says-trouble-smelling-3-months-coronavirus-diagnosis
No, it's not premature to know the risks to young people are very low. We don't know the exact extent to which it's low but it is unquestionably low.
We have tens of millions of cases of the most intensely studied disease in history and one after another shows that the risk levels are extremely low for young people, far lower than the flu even. Common cold territory.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/new-data-reveal-just-how-deadly-covid-19-is-for-the-elderly-11593250200
He has slightly diminished sense of smell, i..e "not 100%" that specialists say will come back.
It is not necessarily a neurological issue, so you saying that it is is completely fake news (it's merely been offered as one potential cause just like Web MD says what's causing your stomach pains could be cancer).
This is very devastating for older people, and it was good that we shut down and flattened the curve and you should absolutely wear a mask to protect people. It'll be great to have a vaccine so we can further protect those people.
But freaking out about minor things amongst young people that happen with common colds is pure insanity. Keep some perspective.