well that's just, like, your opinion, man
Big House BBQ Open Thread
Started at 10 and still no new commits?? Clearly Hoke can't close elite prospects
/s because obvious
It's now 5:30. Still waiting.
If you twitter follow #bbqmaizerace for lots of updates
Also heard that Mike Weber is attending fresh off a redeye from L.A.
several recruits have mentioned how good the ribs are. they were immediately placed on commit watch.
But how are the subs?
in the past out there with his drone and a live feed?
Sorry, I'm on vacation in Wisconsin right now. I dropped the ball, guys.
If Webber goes to USC it's your fault
Webber picked us back in the nineties, man.
I'm going to blame it on Issac and Northfleet.
Hoke just finished eating 3 solid gold bars. It shouldn't be long ...
This isn't 2012
No, but pretty close. All but two of our commits is a 4*, and one of them is a kicker. Hoke has silently done an amazing job with this class considering the 7-6 season.
I don't understand the people who are saying that recruiting has been lacking. This class is just smaller. The average stars of our recruits is as high as anyone - literally anyone, including Alabama.
Unless they are referring to the couple of guys who looked to bean leaning toward M and going elsewhere, in which case I will tell them that that has always happened, and always will happen, regardless of the coach/team performance. That's just how recruiting works sometimes.
TING!! You got it.
Because our class size is small and we missed out on some big players/had some early comitts flip away from us, there has been a convenient notion that recruiting has fallen off a cliff.
The services ranked us lower bacause of the small class size, because that is what they do; and the fan base focused on the guys we lost instead of the guys we got, because that is what they do.
In the meantime, we have been quietly picking up four-star after four-star with nobody noticing. In a couple of years, there won't be any three-stars left on the team.
Yes on 1 service its the 3rd best average star rating (that includes a kicker in a small class dragging it down) and on a 2nd service its the 5th best. So the folksy charm offensive continues to work. In light of on field results for 2 years the recruiting has been very very good.
Imagine if we start winning.
If only for a little while.
I really think the failure of 2012 has been overblown. We were unfortunate enough to play the top three teams in the AP that year, and had an ugly loss to ranked Nebraska when our star QB went down. We showed in the bowl game that we were a legitimately good team. In my eyes, Hoke has had one bad season, but maaaan it was bad ugly.
That's... actually really an accurate perspective, I think. The way we lost agains ND, Nebraska, and OSU that year was really aggravating. The one-dimensional "Do somethind please, Denard" offense really set us back in those games. The SC game was a good game and a good performance through and through, although it would have been interesting to see how JT Floyd would have helped our secondary in the key moments of that game. The Bama loss was.. well, we just were as good of a team as they were, and it showed.
view of 2012 and I also think recruiting is going swimmingly consodering last season.
Now if our collection of O Linemen entering their third plus season in system can show us growth then I think we could start rolling
#1. Somewhat miraculous
#2. Somewhat disappointing(but understandable)
and #3. Disappointing(but understandable)
The rise of sparty makes you want to be all reactionary and call #3 embarrassing, but it is what it is. I miss Andrew Maxwell.
I thought BBQ was more of a lunch or dinner meal...but breakfast, who'da thunk?
Any hour of any day that ribs are put in front of me... game on.
It's like always being five o'clock somewhere...beer me.
Five o'clock. Heh. Teetotaler.
Enough with the name calling. Can't we all just get along? And no religion...I believe we have strict rules here. Or perhaps you believe that I abstain for other reasons?
I was being facetious, as I am wont to do.
I could see Thiyo commiting
what about eichenberg?
It's certainly not over but I hear he's a pretty strong OSU lean.
Eastern or western BBQ sauce?
Just fyi - MSU peeps think Thompson is going to the BBQ just to fulfill a promise to dad, and will be committing to MSU. I don't know what "soon" means when he said he will committ soon but just fyi. No idea if its just message board fluff but that's what their side is saying.
MSU peeps also thought Cole and Alabi were a lock to them. Those guys are delusional.
Yes but the other players were general positive feelings. This is very specific information - in fact a few believe he will head to EL and commit today after the BBQ. We'll see - just throwing it out there. I am just cautioning people because he said he would commit soon and it intersects with the BBQ that a lot of people suddenly think he is a major lean for us.
Not that I know anything, but my best guess is along these lines. The story with him has been that he prefers MSU but his dad wants him to wait on making a decision. Now we hear that his dad is letting him commit earlier than expected and he's suddenly ready to announce. That sounds to me like a tell Hoke no in person / give Michigan one last chance kind of deal, but I could be wrong.
Honestly, he's one of those guys that I'd be happy if we get him and fine if we don't.
"...he's one of those guys that I'd be happy if we get him and fine if we don't." This sould be everyone's attitude on recruiting.
I am NOT putting words in turd's mouth but perhaps he said that because Thompson is a lower level recruit. I think the attitude by some is if Thompson was not a legacy he'd really not be a target based on his rating. If I am wrong feel free to say so turd. ;)
KBLOW's right about what's a good attitude to have in general, and you're right that I was being a little more specific to Thompson with this. I don't know about the legacy thing. I obviously won't be suicidal if Roseboro goes to NC State, but that would feel like a recruiting loss to me in a way that missing on Thompson might not.
Again, though, I'll be pleased if Thompson chooses Michigan, so this really isn't me saying that I don't want him.
I'm fine with defining "lower level recruit" as 3 stars and below. But be careful; Alabama has four 3 star recruits verbaled for 2015, two of them from out of state.
Better than star ratings is the list of offers a kid has. Besides MSU and UM, Thompson's been offered by Nebraska and Wisconsin, which does give his profile a bit more credibility. Given the caliber LB (star ratings and size) that have committed to UM recently, Thompson on paper right now looks like a depth guy behind some of the bigger LBs UM has targeted and seems bent on continuing to go after.
to tell Hoke that rather than tell him on a day that is positive for Michigan.
Not from anything said by others, but from posted quotes from father and son-- their choice of words and reading between the lines. I guess if Dad says he's ready to accept his son's choice, whatever it is, we'll have to be too.
EDIT: I could've sworn I refreshed this page before commenting. But Turd got there first and said it better.
I've also heard that he was going to commit to MSU. I heard it on the radio station and I think the show is a homer MSU-type show, but I'm not sure. I'm sure MSU fans will try to spin it as a bigger get than Cole. If only people in the real world were that delusional.
I just figured I'd throw this out there. Cole>McDowell.
Were there any organized event yesterday for these players? It seems a lot were on campus Saturday. What "events" were on yesterday or was it just informal hanging out.
Levert Hill and Donovan Peoples-Jones in the house. Wouldn't mind if they joined the team.
Hill is a STUD
I think its a bit early for People Jones - he is a 2017. OSU looks like they are going to target Hill to repeat the Webb situation. I expect that one to be a long term affair.
Spoke to a CT coach about all of these guys last week. He believes Peoples-Jones is the best out of Cass Tech recruits over the last few years, including Webb and Lewis. Just one source, but very telling.
Delano will deliver his bro
Am I wrong to think that all this nepotism is unprecedented? Kids of former players, brothers of current ones....it seems like alot. Right now we have Gant, Runyan, Wangler, and in on Wheatley, Hayes, Ferns, Ross, Hill, Thompson, and more.
and raise you 3 Wistert brothers.
Those names sound like the names of a couple R&B singers or something.
LSG - Levert, Sweat, Gill. We just need a couple more legacies to round it out. Does Rob Swett have a son (close enough phonetically)? Kendall Gill from Illinois anyone old enough to remember him? I know I'm reaching...
There is a high ranked prospect out there with the last name of Sweat
Dru Hill ... Donnell Jones ... Gerald Levert ... Dilated Peoples ... you can pull a lot of artists/groups out of those 2 names.
When Kendall Gill was a rookie, many were predicting him to be the next Michael Jordan.
Sorry, I somehow posted this comment in the wrong thread.
Go Blue. OSU sucks.
Anyone are the pic of Kinnel, Lewis, Taylor , and Roseboro?
Sam Webb gave a list if who was in the pic from left to right.
Christmas in July for poor, sad saps like me who enjoy recruiting way too much. But it's raining out so I have an excuse for being here instead of out side enjoying my Sunday afternoon. Phew, I am lucky.
(From l to r) Marcus Lewis, Tyree Kinnell, Garrett Taylor, and Darian Roseboro
is it just me or do most of these guys just not look very happy to be there
so they gotta look tough at all times!
To me, they look like they are just chillin
Or maybe they'd rather enjoy themselves than have to pose for pictures to appease junkies like us?
The guy 2nd from the left who is throwing the sideways peace sign...looks like he's performing a circumcision.
Some of my black friends are always mean-mugging in pictures. And I'm standing there with a big grin, looking even more out of place. One time I asked my buddy why he never smiled, and he said, "gotta look hard in the pics." It seemed kind of weird, but then again nobody smiled in pictures/portraits back in the day, so maybe "non-smilers" think "smilers" are weird.
That's exactly the look you want your corners to have when they are on the edge one-on-one
But then they're at the Law Quad.
Once they enroll, they don't get those golf carts to drive to class. Lewan had a twosie for a reason.
I just looked directly at Lewis, and even though it's a photograph, I'm pretty sure he saw my soul.
Damnit! Taylor's hat is not Michigan! Decommit watch ! Taylor is going to follow his dreams to play center for the San Jose Sharks!
Concerned that Marcus was giving the wrong impression with that anonymous T-shirt.
I think he wants to commit to Michigan with his dad there. Make it a family thing.
EDIT: About Thompson that is. Hopefully his dad does the right thing and doesn't let him go to MSU.
How is that doing the right thing?
Parents should definitely be involved in these situations, but sometimes the best move is to allow the young adults to make their own decisions.
Your username makes me think you have some personal experience with these matters.
want his son to have it better than he did re UMGradMSUDad. Other way around would be a FAIL
Parents should demand that the kids follow a process, be clear in what they value (with those not being outrageous, like "best party school") and measure and compare things correctly. After that if the kid reaches a different decision than you that's the way it goest
This is damn good by Nike, lol
It's just some jackwagon named Nick.
The jackwagon does have a point. I absolutely despise the highlighter yellow color in the Adidas gear. We need to get back to Nike and classic maize as fast as we can.
However, it would be funny if it was from someone who actually mattered at Nike instead of some Nike fanboy who probably has swoosh tattoos.
How different is the Adidas yellow from the Nike "maize" in 2007?
People can disagree if they want but Im certain our deal with Adidas has cost us more than a few top recruits over the years. "Oh but I dont want a kid who pics his school based on the equipment brand," you say. Go ahead and tell yourself that. When your program is supplied by a secondary equipment provider, it dimishes the program's image.
And just what recruits might those be?
there may be alot of reasons that recruits pick a certain school (some nefarious), but I would bet a lot of money that equipment brand is not one of them
I hope no teenager is dumb enough to determine what college they're going to based on whether Adidas or Nike is producing their ridiculous socks
We are OK with it when they pick us because they think the helmets are cool. It happens almost every year. Teenagers do teenage things.
who's looking at the socks?
are they riddell helmets or bike or other?
Michigan's helmets get the attention of 10 year olds. And that's a great start. But let's give the 16-18 year olds a little more credit in how seriously they take this decision.
As someone who works with 15-18 year olds for a living, I know they give it a ton of thought and trivial things - like socks and helmets - are given appropriately trivial consideration.
still hungover from his drunken rampage thru Windsor?
Once he's feeling better, I bet he can can set us straight on the importance to recruits of the right threads for our teams.
It's akin to the Rams changing their uniforms after winning the Super Bowl...a total shortsighted sellout to generate temporary apparel sales. Same when the Pistons went to real. It effectively killed all the perception goodwill...the Rams tanked, the Pistons tanked, and so did we.
Yes, because Michigan had an amazing final year in Nike.
It matters a lot in basketball recruiting with a lot of these AAU teams and leagues sponsored by shoe companies. You don't think the shoe companies don't put heat on the AAU they sponsor if kids are signing at schools with rival shoe companies?
Have you seen what Michgan gets from the adidas paycheck?
Get over it already.
You are supposed to be in Windsor with a bunch of hookers.
Depends on how good the kid's judgment is. Some parents need to ease up and not be helicopter parents and micromanage their lives. Other kids make completely self-destructive decisions and parents may have to weigh in a bit more.
Of course, perhaps the truly self-destructive kid is going to find a way to shoot himself in the foot no matter where he goes. But in my experience, most kids take their parent's opinions at least somewhat into account. If the kid sees school #1 as an A and school #2 as a B+, but parents are hate school #1 or rave about school #2 for logistical or academic or enviornmental reasons, then it can tip a kid to the second school.
like I thought with Hayes yesterday....if we miss right now LB seems to be the spot to miss. So...if Thompson goes elsewhere so be it.
KLS putting out some good vibes on Twitter...
Forgive the brief fit of rage but who the F are these clowns tweeting recruits? How about they STFU and find a girlfriend instead?
As you were
Wiltfong, AKA the Oracle, changed his CB to Michigan for Thompson
And changed it right back to michigan state.
I take that as meaning he has zero inside info.
good thing hoke continues to reel in some talented prospects despite last years disaster on the field...hopefully he pulls in some elite DL, theyre gonna need them. bc urban def will never slow down. just saw this article, figured id throw it out there:
this dude gibson is a beast...who knows if he can develop as much as a dual threat QB as troy smith or miller, but gibson easily appears (to me at least) to be the most athletically gifted of any QB meyer has recruited. hes lightning in a bottle. hokes obviously working on several athletic DL, but theyll be valued even more if having to chase around someone quicker than miller for another 3-4 yrs
Until this past week, he felt like a lock for either Tennessee or Auburn... Hope he ends up one of those two places
Every new place Gibson goes, it becomes his favorite spot. You act like he's signed his LOI, he won't end up a Buckeye. I'm also pretty sure Brady Hoke won't let up on the recruiting trail either. Jesus your Buckeye ass kissing is ridiculous.
wow calm down. figured id add an interesting article to the forum, didnt know where to put it...and certainly did not think so many people would get fired up over commentary. i dont follow it that closely to know where the kids day to day feelings lie, i just know i clicked on the article and saw gibson loving osu and he looked crazy athletic in the highlight clips. pretty sure i posted yesterday about how athletic cole looks and what a bright future he has, etc. i try to be honest and not too biased with opinions/comments...which is why i point out that i hope hoke keeps up the great work (and i think he will) as hes been impressive on the trail despite lack of consistent wins (which is even more impressive). i never intend to be debbie downer, just call it like i see it...and i see meyer as a total scumbag but hes always won games. and hell continue do whatever necessary to win games or players. so was simply pointing out i hope hoke can close on some elite DL prospects (and he appears to be doing well with some right now) bc osu continues to add speed and talent, thats all. nothing groundbreaking and certainly not sucking off osu...i wouldnt have posted anything, especially on thread like this, if i thought i was crushing um or hoke...just honest opinion...that kid gibson is legit athlete but so are other um and osu players/targets...and i like hokes shaping of his roster for most part, he just needs to add DL to help stop any opposing elite athletes (gibson or not) at any position, im sure most would agree
Dude, there is a time & place for being a Debbie Downer, but if there's one day of the year that's supposed to be positive and about the future of the program, (in addition to Opening Kickoff), it's today.
It's mid-summer. Any failures of last year are fading away. The 2014 season has not yet been sullied by a boneheaded playcall, interception, or heart breaking loss. We've got gobs of young talented kids on campus right now giving a serious look at committing to one of the most storied programs in college football history. We just landed Brian Cole 24 hours ago, fergodsakes.
Give it a rest man.
He sucks at QB. If he plays QB for OSU then we should celebrate.
Not sure how much you've followed this kid, but odds are slim he ends up as a QB. Sites are listing him as an ATH and the kid says all he asks for is a chance to develop as a QB at the next level. With memories of Pryor, I'm sure OSU is happy to oblige to that request, but most speculate that his ceiling is highest as a WR.
Once Frank Clark breaks Braxton in half again this year people will be afraid to play QB in Meijer's offense. I still relish in seeing Tebow with grass i his helmet and Braxton in pain on the ground with Frank the Tank over his bitch ass.
LOL, but I think I've read more than once that Doug and Hank Meijer (Fred's two sons that now own/ "run" Meijer) are both U of M grads.
Meijer's is where I get all my UM gear.
You "relish" seeing a college student (Braxton Miller) in "pain on the ground"?
I literally recoiled in disgust when I read that statement.
Insightful post you fucktard. Just thought I'd throw that out there.
Sorry, but I've spent much of my life listening to comments like this. I don't want to read them as well.
and the growing intrigue of other developments, they wouldn't be coming on this site. UM now has more highly rated players than Ohio does this year (average consensus rank).
Also, with Ty Isaac's transfer here, we have outdone Meyer's best recruiting year at Ohio
(i.e., the remaining players on UM class from Ty Isaac's year have a higher Rivals recruiting rank than those remaining from Ohio's class).
And start talking about what happens on the field where, if memory serves, we have beaten those bastards 3 times in 14 years.
Probably not since there are 3 or 4 major services that offer these types of services and it's how most casual followers of recruiting are able to follow high school players that don't play in their geographical vicinity.
who was way over his head. . .
were still using players recruited by a coach who attracted or retained his players illegally and who admitted lyting to the the NCAA.
Ohio played in one recorded BCS bowl and lost. Ohio had a winning record 2 out of 4 years.
UM played in one bcs bowl and won. UM had a winning record 4 out of 4 years.
Overall, UM was 33-18, Ohio was 30-10 (or 30-22 if you count vacated games as losses).
and the recruits need to be concerned more with how the teams will perform in the future (ie not based on the past (an RR-upperclassmen-depleted roster) but based on the future (Hoke's incoming recruiting classes).
Gleitman from Bucknuts switches his CB to Michigan for Thompson
So maybe he is thinking about his education.
I think that might be part of the game or "race" they are doing. Recruits have been taking pictures all over campus like some sort of scavenger hunt.
Let me know when they find our Offense.
Everyone here watches Michigan, we don't need you or others reminding how bad the offense has been. The negativity is getting old
Last I looked the Michigan offense wih Devin Gardner put 41 on the allegedly vaunted Buckeye defense on a god damned broken foot.
The offense was poorly coordinated and with about 17 offensive line blocking schemes; but I don't see why this team shouldn't put 40 up on anybody this year.
Ohio State, not scary.
Feeling positive this afternoon.
I'm not arguing with your overall point, but OSU's defense was very average last year - not even remotely vaunted.
How much focus did their d-line and first rounders Shazier and Roby have? Perceived vaunted exposed obviously.
but I thought that one was funny.
As we say in our house, "It ok if it's funny."
Everyone here watches Michigan, we don't need you or others reminding how bad the offense has been. The negativity is getting old
Don't you dare remind me to be reminded.
of the arb. . .
ESPN Jr. 300 DE Josh King says Michigan is now in his top five w/ Iowa, Michigan State, Notre Dame and Stanford pic.twitter.com/lmg1EeRZFt
— Tom VanHaaren (@TomVH) July 27, 2014
— Joshua King (@MagicMan_HSHS) July 27, 2014
LOL Jabrill is already a celebrity
I know. I was thinking Malzone would be convincing recruits to commit, didn't even think about the impact of current players!
If King is 6'-6" then Peppers isn't going to be huge—he's about 5'-7". What is Wellman doing to him? He's shrinking.
was on his knees.
I was at Schembechler Hall for a tour last week and I can assure you jabrill peppers is huge. Dude looked ready to go.
Shirt is epic!
Some one needs to make him the exact same shirt, but themed "Sparty Stomper"!.
It is raining like crazy here in Royal Oak.
I hope they got all of there inside stuff done and the top targets are inside giving verbals.
I'm on gold watch here: )
The feast has been slaughtered. Hopefully commits for dessert.
like dusk to dawn?
He wants to take officials, so no need to buckle up.
Wiltfong switched his CB fot Tyriq Thompson back to MSU. This guy is a flip flopper.
— Sam Webb (@SamWebb77) July 27, 2014
I was impressed. A lot of tweets and instagrams showing top recruits having fun along with many showing off the campus. Advertising like that would be expensive.
Yeah but it won't quite work for other schools theme-wise...what an A-maize-ing idea
Always lined up for that every time I attended a game and quickly became one of my favorite parts of gameday.
I believe one of the facilities upgrades in the AD vision (that $$ expansion of multiple buildings) includes a paved "walk of champions" along that Victors Walk.
Hold The Rope!
— Steve Lorenz (@TremendousUM) July 28, 2014
He'll release his top five tomorrow. Lorenz says Michigan "may be the favorite considering the timing of the announcement."
Their Director of recruiting just switched his CB prediction on 247 to Blue. Sounds good...
#bbqmaizerace on twitter, and saw a couple tweets by Cam Chambers. I don't want to read too much into what he tweeted, but I'm pretty sure he's genuinely interested in Michigan after attending the BBQ.
In the meantime, looks like he's busy in an artistic and creative way, getting ready to make a "collage decision" on August 1st.
I was hoping for at least one more recruitment this weekend
But if a kid has a great time, goes home, thinks about it, and then commits, I'll be less concerned about a decommit in the future.
True, especially considering how two of the verbals from last year's BBQ turned out.
kids go home, talk with their parents, think it over for a day or two, then decide they want to pull the trigger.
Ohio's defense was almost worse than our offensive line.
now has Michigan leading for Marcus Lewis and Cameron Chambers. What makes me feel even better is that Florida guys are now changing Lewis and Ohio State guys are now changing Chambers.
Anyone have any details on the race? What were the rules? Prize?