JBLPSYCHED

August 2nd, 2023 at 2:05 PM ^

Here's the article itself from Yahoo sports:

https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-big-ten-has-begun-preliminary-talks-to-potentially-add-oregon-washington-cal-and-stanford-173934989.html

Key paragraphs:

"The discussions are in the very early stages, sources caution. No decision, including on whether to expand or stay put at 16 teams, has been made or is considered imminent.

The Big Ten may also patiently wait to see what happens with other Pac-12 schools and their potential move to the Big 12 before acting at all."

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So basically the B1G is doing its due diligence, as is appropriate in light of Pac 9 instability and future uncertainty. Doesn't really move the discussion forward but Dan Wetzel is a legitimate college football reporter so this isn't just rumors.

JBLPSYCHED

August 2nd, 2023 at 2:35 PM ^

That's what I've read/heard too, although it makes little sense to me b/c the B1G tipped the first domino last summer when it announced USC and UCLA were joining. Meanwhile if UA/ASU/Utah decide to leave for the Big 12 then the B1G will apparently reconsider inviting 2-4 Pac 9 schools. But Fox/CBS/NBC won't pony up an additional $70M per added school so any new invitees will need to come at a discount. From what I read they won't hesitate to say Yes anyway.

bluebyyou

August 2nd, 2023 at 3:24 PM ^

Every additional team reduces the income from existing teams. It's the same pie divided into more pieces. New teams with small fanbases are, unfortunately, not what brings in the big advertising dollars. ND is the one team that makes sense because it has a huge fanbase.

Cal and Stanford are money losers.  This is not about academics, it is about football and revenue.

907_UM Nanook

August 2nd, 2023 at 5:09 PM ^

Greater San Fran population is about 7M...Seattle & Portland combined are about that. Dividing by the 2 SF schools, there's no substantial difference in market between UW/Oregon & Stanford/Cal.

Would rather bring in UW/Oregon - we gain the premier Nike program & the Northwest schools are heavily supported by their entire States. Plus Autzen & Husky Stadiums are great venues, and the NW schools are more competitive in the main sports. Agree they're not at the same level academically, but the NW schools are both AAU members. Plus, we get to see who's the "real NW" team in the B1G (looking at you wildcats!). Consistent vote for UW/Oregon from this NW-area fan.

Romulan Commander

August 2nd, 2023 at 4:00 PM ^

I wonder if Cal and especially Stanford offer something else: the opportunity to raise funds in Silicon Valley. From my vantage point in Urbana, Illinois regularly has fundraising events among their many alums in the Bay area. I'm sure Michigan does the same. Imagine a Michigan tailgate at Stanford and the possibility it offers. Then throw in research $, partnerships, internships, etc. from Silicon Valley corporations. The same probably applies to Seattle.

 

 

RadOWon

August 3rd, 2023 at 4:35 PM ^

Bro, this is ridiculous. They do not care about killing the PAC, in fact, they already killed the PAC when they raided the two SoCal teams. This isnt about feelings, its about TV market share domination and thats what adding two teams from the SF/Bay area TV market as  well as one from Seattle and the Portland/Eugene area accomplishes.

It's the a$$ raping the B1G was seeking after ESPN  started the shenanigans by forcing UT and OU to the SEC. Now ESPN is squealing like the pigs they are.

s1105615

August 2nd, 2023 at 2:31 PM ^

It was hot air meant to drive clicks.  No way the ACC and FSU were or are in anything that resembles “active negotiation”.
 

FSU is exploring every possible avenue of breaking the GoR.  The ACC can’t afford to negotiate any deal with anyone to leave or they might as well fold on 8/16.

BoFan

August 2nd, 2023 at 3:56 PM ^

I called BS on the FSU and Clemson rumor.  It makes no sense due to location, markets, academics, and much more. 

Cal and Stanford make perfect sense, especially since UCLA and USC are already on board. Oregon and Washington make less sense except that once you take Cal and Stanford those other two will need a home. 

mGrowOld

August 2nd, 2023 at 2:07 PM ^

This is great.  We should split the league into two divisions and we'll call one the PAC division and the other we'll call the B1G division

PAC Division will have: USC, UCLA, Oregon, Stanford, Cal and Nebraska

BIG Division will have: M, OSU, MSU, PSU, Indiana, Iowa, Northwestern, Illini, Wisconsin, Minni & Purdue.

Rutgers & Maryland are regulated out

If the PAC division wants to expand they could add Arizona, Arizona State and Washington State

Championship game to played annually in the Rose Bowl

I'm telling you, this could work guys.  We really should try it.

BornInA2

August 2nd, 2023 at 3:24 PM ^

PAC Division will have: USC, UCLA, Oregon, Stanford, Cal and Nebraska

BIG Division will have: M, OSU, MSU, PSU, Indiana, Iowa, Northwestern, Illini, Wisconsin, Minni & Purdue.

Championship game to played annually in the Rose Bowl

That's pretty much what existed for several decades when the Rose Bowl was the Big 10 regular season champ against the PACwhatever regular season champ.

That sure is a long road to get to where we already were.

NittanyFan

August 2nd, 2023 at 2:09 PM ^

Never heard that combination speculated before.  

/s

At this point, I think we literally have heard all COMBIN(20,2) + COMBIN(20,4) + COMBIN(20,6) + COMBIN(20,8) + COMBIN(20,10) = 354,521 (thank you Excel) possibilities mentioned at one point or another.

(FWIW, 20 = Arizona, ASU, BC, Cal, Clemson, Colorado, Duke, FSU, GT, Kansas, Miami FLA, Missouri, UNC, Notre Dame, Oregon, Pitt, Stanford, Utah, Virginia, Washington)

Alton

August 2nd, 2023 at 2:10 PM ^

I have said this before, but the last 6 teams added to the Big Ten all came as a complete surprise to the general public, and nobody even knew the Big Ten was looking to expand at the time.  Why are we assuming the next expansion, if there is another one, is going to be conducted in public like this?

There is just no way Dan Wetzel is going to be the first person who knows about any of this. I think this is more the Gregg Henson school of throwing stuff at the wall and if anything sticks then he gets to claim that it was because he had special knowledge.

BKBlue94

August 2nd, 2023 at 2:47 PM ^

Because it's very public knowledge that the Pac 12 did not get a good enough tv deal and is actively falling apart, so this is the time teams will be moving. Sure things can happen when they're not expected, but there's not reason they can't happen when they are expected too

RXwolverine

August 2nd, 2023 at 2:10 PM ^

add them please! Save whats left of tradition and decency. Not to mention oregon and UW are excellent FB programs and stanford/cal add a lot more with non-revenue sports. Gives USC/UCLA natural rivals. The SEC will expand again and soon. Why not be proactive. As far as cal/stanford fb wise they add nothing however we get the bay area tv market which was the same logic in rutgers if i remember correctly. Finally if we do expand we need some more bottom feeders to balance out the conference. Oregon/UW/Cal/Stanford is a perfect balance 

coldnjl

August 2nd, 2023 at 2:16 PM ^

This seems like due diligence... still not sure why California (or even Washington) when you may be able to get UVA and or UNC if you are patient. 

mackbru

August 2nd, 2023 at 4:04 PM ^

Because expansion is largely about football and both Oregon and Washington are much bigger brands/draws that UNC and UVA. And also because adding them balances out the West Coast teams.

It's about TV. Does any casual CFB tune in for UNC or UVA football games? No. Do they tune in for Oregon v. Washington? Absolutely.