Arizona v. BC: Advocare 100 Bowl

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Didn't see a thread on this.  Arizona up 21-6 at half.  Pretty impressive to see what Arizona is doing with a QB that didn't receive a single scholarship offer at any level in high school.

Also, Ken Griffey, Jr. (whose son plays for Arizona) has a very nice Nikon set-up on the sidelines.  

robpollard

December 31st, 2013 at 3:52 PM ^

But if Alabama is the comparable, FSU has got feel pretty good, even against Auburn.

Auburn beat Alabama on one of the greatest/flukiest plays in football history, while Alabama missed multiple FGs earlier that would have put it out of reach. Alabama, IMHO, is better than Auburn. But the better team doesn't always win.

543Church

December 31st, 2013 at 2:27 PM ^

28-6 Arizona now early in the 3rd.  The Wildcat offense is really starting to heat up.   The blockers are blocking, the runners are running, and the throwing guy is throwing to guys catching.

Must be fun to be a fan of a team that can execute the expectations for the position.

543Church

December 31st, 2013 at 2:44 PM ^

Wow, 35-6 now.   Does the Arizona offense move faster than UM did under Rich Rod?  They seem to snap it so early that ESPN often misses it trying to show the replay. 

Am I viewing this through a different lens or does it seem Arizona's offense this year is better than any that RichRod had at UM?  This further adds to my frustration.

Michigan4Life

December 31st, 2013 at 2:48 PM ^

no. Michigan offense under RR with Denard is superior than the current Arizona offense.  Michigan offense was top 5 while Arizona was 31.  Arizona offense took a step back from last year, but the defense made a huge leap from average(ranked 70s) last year to pretty good this year (ranked 25).  With an improvement on both side, Arizona could make a lot of noise next year.

uminks

December 31st, 2013 at 2:44 PM ^

Rooting for AZ!  Kind of sad seeing RR offense marching up and own the field. AZ is way ahead of Michigan.  I'm not sure if AZ was just in better position when RR stepped in and BH had to deal with the youth bubble or if we made a horrible mistake giving up on RR. He does have Casteel and that is the difference on defense at least.

bighouse22

December 31st, 2013 at 2:48 PM ^

RR really did need more time, but hindsight is 20/20.  I think the real issues was the lack of support by both the Alumi and a lot of the players did not buy in after being under Carr for so long.  You weren't really going to see what RR could do until they purged all of the Carr holdovers.

RockinLoud

December 31st, 2013 at 2:57 PM ^

Given the environment at the time I think it was a good call parting ways with RR. To answer your other question, I think the answer is yes.

I still wish it would've worked out here for him, but we're reaping what we've sown in terms of this impossible ideal of "this is Michigan and this is how it has to be at michigan, blah blah blah". If we would've shelled out the $$ for Casteel I think RR probably woud've won enough to get over the hump and would still be here. Instead we later shelled out $ for a new staff with yet another change in philosophy who might not even be the answer but we can't really tell for sure yet because of all the other baggage from terrible recruiting and said philosophy change.

MichiganMan_24_

December 31st, 2013 at 2:49 PM ^

Im holding hope for the 2014 season but if we look like we did this season then im going to cry..then im going to foam at the mouth like a rabid animal demanding everyone and everything UM be fired..Even Brian and this blog.

RRod has Zona looking solid..im slowly starting to think its something about UM just like the Lions and Browns...2014 is the year of no excuses

uminks

December 31st, 2013 at 2:59 PM ^

'08. The coaches will have to  make extreme improvements in the team if they want us to have the same record in '11. I'm not very optimistic about next season. The entire OL will be young and the defense looks like a true tire fire. I did not see much improvement in this team through the season, which a concern for me. In fact, I was optimistic after the ND game about winning the legends division. They did not look too bad during the game I attended at CMU but the wheels kind of fell off this team after the close Akron win.

I hope the coaches can make leap and bounds improvement in the team next season but I really don't see anything more than another 7 or 8 game winning season. I think we'll see the real improvement in '15 but I'm sounding like a Lions fan, always waiting for next year which never comes.

realfootballfan

December 31st, 2013 at 2:50 PM ^

I wish he would have had more success at Michigan but what's done is done. I've watched every Arizona game that I could the last two years. He got his system implemented there faster than anywhere else he's coached. Plus, unlike at WVU and Michigan, he had a QB that fit his system from day one in Matt Scott. Denker has been a pleasant surprise this season. I would have killed to have a back like Carey at UM the last two years.

Don

December 31st, 2013 at 2:52 PM ^

Considering the gigantic turd we left on the field in Tempe, I would hate to see what RR would do with a squad that he surely would have charged up to exact some "revenge" on his former employer.

bighouse22

December 31st, 2013 at 2:58 PM ^

I would advise against playing Arizona over the next several years at all cost.  I think it will only cause more division.  I agree that Arizona would make us look bad with our defenses inability to handle a spread offense.  Could you imagine what would happen against that offense when the DBs continue to play 10-15 yards off the line of scrimmage.

Section 1

December 31st, 2013 at 3:21 PM ^

Not until 2019 at least, and probably not then.

If somebody wanted to have some fun with unlikely Rodriguez/revenge scenarios,  you might speculate that Beilema continues to struggle at Arkansas, and that the Razorbacks then replace him with... Rich Rodriguez.  Before Arkansas and Michigan meet for a home-and-home series in '18 and '19.

User -not THAT user

December 31st, 2013 at 4:52 PM ^

RichRod IS a good coach.  There is no way WVU should be as big a program as they were over the last 10 years (although they may be correcting for market lately after Geno Smith).  The last SEC champion to lose the Sugar Bowl (unless you count LSU getting shanked by Alabama in 2011) was UGA in 2006, when the game was played in the Georgia Dome (located in...wait for it...GEORGIA) and RichRod brought WVU in with on offense led by freshmen Pat White and Steve Slaton and were up by four (4) touchdowns less than a minute into the 2nd quarter before the Dawgs ended up making a game of it and losing by a respectable 38-35 final.

The team he built was good enough to destroy Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl in 2008 after he left and Bill Stewart was interim coach...high school players he recruited in 2007 would have been on the Dana Torgeson team that hung 70 on Clemson in the Orange Bowl the year Michigan won the Sugar Bowl.

The screwing he took at UM from Dave Brandon is, to me, unforgiveable.  Try to forget that he turned down the opportunity to coach at ALABAMA so that he could stay at WVU.  It took the Michigan job to get him away from the program he built from scratch at the school from whence he graduated.  He understood the honor that coaching at Michigan was, MUCH more than the alumni there will ever give him credit for.

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Blue2000

January 1st, 2014 at 10:07 AM ^

Well said.  It's amazing that some of our fanbase is wiling to write RR off as a horrible coach by ignoring 1) everything he did prior to getting to UM; and 2) the fact that he had no institutional support upon arriving here, and was faced with a horseshit NCAA violation allegations in year 2.  As if any coach would have been successful under those circumstances.  Can you image what Hoke would have done had he been forced to deal with the amount of bullshit RR had to in his first three years?

steve sharik

December 31st, 2013 at 2:57 PM ^

Herp derp.

Casteel joins him (which he likely would've done at Michigan in 2011) and UA is holding one of the best running backs to (at this point) 67 yds on 24 car. (2.8 ypc).

This is exhibit A why coaches need time, Hoke & Co. included.

Michigan fan base (especially the MANBALL crowd) deserves this, and the "you can't run the spread in the B1G" folks should be strapped to chairs and forced to watch these two bowl games back-to-back on a continuous loop for 24 hours.

The Crootin' Crouton

December 31st, 2013 at 3:02 PM ^

Coach Rodriguez was treated in an embarrassing way while at Michigan and Hoke had gotten the kid-glove treatment purely based upon one good season with all Rodriguez players. Perhaps if Carr hadn't run off a great number of decent players, Coach Rodriguez would still be at Michigan and we'd be in a better place. My view of Carr is forever skewed poorly because of his selfishness and arrogance. The Team, The Team, The Team. NOT the Players and Coach Carr's own self important view of his legacy!

steve sharik

December 31st, 2013 at 3:13 PM ^

But I do think RR failed to demand enough from Bill Martin to pay assistants and get Casteel here.  (And certain defensive coaches aren't with Arizona anymore.)

The major difference is that RR, who had won two BCS bowl games at a school that hadn't sniffed one before and is now a Big 12 joke, had to win over too many of the entitled, former "Michigan Men" while those same people rolled out the red carpet for Brady Hoke before he even coached one game in a BCS conference.

The Team, The Team, The Team means if you're a true Michigan Man, you positively support whoever is coaching and playing for Michigan.  As has been quoted many times here and else where, Fielding Yost said, "It is based on a deathless loyalty to Michigan and all her ways.  An enthusiasm that makes it second nature for Michigan Men to spread the gospel of their university to the world’s distant outposts."  Bo and Yost must have been rolling in their graves watching the behavior of some former players (e.g., Braylon, Aaron Shea, etc.).