The Sanford Robertson Offensive Coordinator
The Sanford Robertson Offensive Coordinator
Must've used all that money he's made from Duck Dynasty.
Painting the winged helmet on those beards. Get on it, Brandon.
Both are/were tiresome, incessant, unreasonable, and flip sides of one another, but at this point I'd have to say
RR whiners > Brandon whiners
As someone that is completely sick of the money in college athletics...
Excuse me but this paragraph:
University of Michigan donors Jay and Michaela Hoag graciously hosted Michigan Athletics friends and supporters during the annual West Coast "Team Tour." Special guests included John Beilein, men's basketball head coach; Brady Hoke, J. Ira and Nicki Harris Family Head Football Coach; and Dave Brandon, Donald R. Shepherd Director of Athletics.
Takes a special kind of psychopath to create. To take that money you have to think that any kind of dollars are more important than clarity of communication. If someone wants to give to the university and add their name to an adjective, the response should be "Absolutely not because it makes the University of Michigan look like a whore."
Yeah? When's the last time you donated $3 million anonymously? Most people like recognition for their work.
I think there might be a middle ground higher than total anonymity.
Yeah but why? It's a great way to honor the people who give back to this university.
The Frankels got their name on a 100 year old part of the health system. Ross has his name on the business school. Nichols arb, Kellogg center etc. Multiple professorships which existed almost as long as the university are now endowed in the names of people who graduated maybe 50 years ago.
Oh but it's football. I forgot. We're still hitched on 'tradition'. Forget the fact that it might be beneficial for us to have millions rolling in. For the sake of being different, michigan fans would rather shoot themselves and the AD in the foot
If you're angry about this, you should be angrier about money in academics. Of course, it's more fun to shout about Brandon whenever he takes a shit, it seems.
If that's the case, then why not put advertising inside Michigan Stadium? I mean, at some point when all of the GA's have endownments, where does this whole thing go?
Look, I don't want to see advertising in Michigan Stadium. If this all continues, I'm afraid at some point it might be the next "logical" revenue source.
Look, I would prefer to not have ads in Michigan Stadium. But I also want our teams to be in a position where we're able to do everything we need to do to compete. Not all of those cost money, but many of them do. Remember how difficult basketball recruiting was before all of the renovations? But once they were complete, we had many more top recruits looking at us and now we're a top basketball program again. That took money.
I want to hold on to "tradition" too. But if that tradition is holding us back from winning (which is the real tradition) than I will no longer be in favor of it.
Just not in football. The non revenue sports have been extremely successful. The money does not just support football, and football, basketball and hockey are not the only sports. I think people forget that sometimes. Keep the money rolling in and it will pay off for football one day. Until then, just be patient and enjoy whatever success the entire athletic department has.
Weren't the basketball renovations decided on when Martin was still here?
What place in revenue is Michigan football? 2nd behind Texas? Either way, we're right up there. It's not money that's holding us back from winning.
were promised to Amaker. They got delayed because it took time to raise money.
There's seems to be a vocal faction on this board, starting at the top, that is opposed to every possible method of increasing revenue. Advertising, endowed positions, alternate jerseys, Adidas, higher ticket prices, increasing BTN markets, mascots and pretty much any possible way of extending the Michigan brand are looked upon with scorn.
To be consistent, shouldn't we be opposed to the AD spending money too? Other that the few thousand spent on skywriting, it seems the only objections most have are to not spending even more.
I think a good argument can be made that colege athletics have gotten too big and our athletes aren't connected enough to the rest of the school. If we want Michigan to go in a different direction it shouldn't be because we hate fundraising. It should be because we believe that our student athletes should be students first and that's more important than being among the elite in every sport.
People forget that he was known for creating no revenue sources. He was called innovative for doing this. I'm not saying that Brandon is on a par with Don Canham, only that we praise one for being innovative at raising money and are critical of the other.
I don't like all this, but everyone is or will be doing it so I have a hard time knocking Brandon. The alternative is taking a different direction as Mr. Miggle mentioned.
The area I would say they need to work on quickly is attendance. Ultimately winning should take care of that.
"There's seems to be a vocal faction on this board, starting at the top, that is opposed to every possible method of increasing revenue."
I'm not opposed to every possible method of increasing revenue... but one must consider that we're already the #2 or #3 in all of college sports in revenue.
Increased revenue, at minimal "cost" that benefits students or athletes - I'm all for it.
Increased revenue, derived from scrapping tradition, that mostly exists to grow the athletic department bureaucracy... that I'm not very interested in.
It's 2014, not 1960. Money wins college football games.
If your traditions hold back the program from winning, they need to go.
Then why do both Texas and Michigan suck so much?
How long have you been following college football? Texas and Michigan have both gone through a similar transition where a long-time, HOF coach got too old to be the coach and maybe stuck around a bit too long. Neither will likely be in this transition for too long, partly because of the big bucks they bring in. Keep in mind that both Texas and Michigan both have huge athletic department full of teams that are elite on the national level.
I do think the mgoblog staff has gone a bit far with some of the condemnation that's come about because of DB raising revenue, but there must be a line somewhere right? Most people seem to hate the alternate unis. I sure do. And if the department loses out on a little money because there aren't alternate unis, then I'm fine with not having state-of-the-art facilities for every sport and instead just having really good facilities. Same with ads inside the stadium.
Really, it's good that we have other sports, but I honestly don't care that every sport has the highest-paid coach and the best facilities in the country. As long as they get the opportunity to play and get whatever health care and educational opportunities they need, I think that's enough. I'd much rather preserve some of what makes college football and Michigan unique.
Although I don't want to see advertising inside Michigan Stadium, I've accepted that it's going to happen. I'm not sure when - a couple of years or a dozen years, it's going to happen.
As I said, at some point, there are only so many new revenue streams.
I've accepted it with one condition - the brands advertised are consistent with the Michigan brand (e.g. no walmart, pawn shops, dollar stores, etc.).
dislike of ads in the stadium. How do I know? I asked him face to face at a program he did with about a hundred other people in the room. Although he didn't say flat out there would NEVER be ads in the stadium, he did say it was not something they were looking at - at least a year ago when this program was held. So, I believe accepting large donations and naming buildings, facilities, or job positions after donors is one way to avoid having to have ads in the stadium. Because Michigan seems to be committed to not let anyone "out-facility" us anymore, the money to pay for it has to come from somewhere.
I don't think Michigan is having any issues competing with other schools when it comes to money.
If it's anonymous, how would we know about it? Then again, I will save up $5 million dollars if I can endow the QB position. I want to hear my name every time the offense snaps the ball.
Only the folks that run MGoBlog could take someone giving $3 million to the university and turn it into a bad thing.
I personally am looking forward to the day Brandon is able to announce the "Kim Jong Un Director of Athletic Marketing and Photoshopping".
Wow you just bummed me out. I was going to ask DB how much he would charge for me to endow the Bill in Birmingham Big House Latrine Cleaner position. But you dropped the Kim Jong bomb and ruined my enthusiasm.
Call Brandon, he might quote you a number.
what those who run the site do you're more than welcome to go elsewhere.
Talk of "The Purge" last night brings that line of thinking back 'round. As a blog you don't seem to appreciate people being "mean" to those who write here. That is, you don't like people commenting on your work when it's unnecessarily rude or demeaning. (yes I'm sure the above is meant as a joke, at least partially, just as were many of the critiques of Brandon (Brown) that led to The Purge)
Yet you as a blog do not seem to feel conflict in commenting on other people's work in that same manner.
Further, my assumption is that if someone from the athletic department saw your post here and banned you from UofM facilities, there would be much howling. Yet you banned M-Wolverine and others from this site because of their comments re. your work. There is a disconnect here that you may reflexively try to explain away, but I ask that you take a moment to consider it.
Good grief. It's their blog, man. If you don't like how they run it go read something else.
this is 'murica, and if I don't like, I can just git out?
Good grief. It's their blog, man. If you don't like how they run it go read something else.
Given that this site has changed from a personal hobby of Brian's into an actual business, I don't think he would actually want everyone who has any sort of disagreement with his blog to stop reading.
The site is Brian's brainchild but the readership has allowed him to make a living off it. It shouldn't be taboo to make any sort of constructive criticism. ("Constructive" obviously being the key.) Personally, I still visit the site, but I will say that it seems like Brian and the other writers have become increasingly preachy and intolerant of opposing viewpoints - and it's starting to make me less interested in what they have to say.
You do realize I'm not Brian right?
When have I shut down disagreement? Do you remember my reaction to M-Wolverine's ban? It's still on the board, along with many many many examples of engaging with critics and encouraging more.
There's a reason I share Brian's sentiments about what is appropriate to sell and what should be above money. For one, he hired me to be his business manager, implying, I hope, a level of trust that I will never sell something that would damage our integrity.
We shouldn't be proud or lucky that someone has $3 million to give and the best thing they can think to do with it is give it to an organization that has so much money they have to invent insane things to do with it. We should have an AD who understands, intuitively, that language isn't something that's his or Michigan's or anybody's to sell.
How is the offensive coordinator of the football team different than an academic chairmanship that was endowed? It seems intuitive. How often is Doug Nussmeier mentioned in the media? Way more than an academic seat. One is using your money to substantively improve the university, and one is just advertising.
I sell advertising. I know what its purpose is and how it can be effective, and I challenge our sponsors to engage readers in a way that shows how the advertiser will benefit you, not shout at you. Slapping your name on a thing is shouting. Shouting is obnoxiousness. Selling off the right to shout at all the other fans is whoring yourself.
The contempt you show for these donors is really disgraceful. Do you feel the same way about people who donate enough to get their names put on buildings? How about the Ross Business School?
You dismiss the similarity to academic chair endowments so casually. How is what the university doing with those any different? They're selling the right to put your name on a university position. I don't see what makes coaching positions sacrosanct so that one is morally wrong (psychopathic!) and the other is not. What should be intuitively obvious is that these coaches aren't going to be referred to by those full titles in the media very often, That's for official press releases. How often does the media call Brady Hoke the J. Ira and Nicki Harris Family Head Football Coach? Is it 1% of the time? 0.1%? 0.01%? I'll take the under.
Our AD isn't running some sort of rogue operation. The Board of Regents unanimously approved this. All but one of the Ivy League Schools and Stanford had already been endowing their coaches. You may feel nothing but contempt for people who want recognition for their contributions, but try to have a little perspective. That kind of attention has been for sale for a very long time at a very, very long list of institutions.
Criticizing donors for their choice of recipients is heading down a very slippery slope. You could make the same argument for any donations to a school with an endowment like Michigan's. For every worthy cause, you can probably find one even worthier if you look hard enough. Is the athletic department really inventing insane things to spend their money on? For an organization the size of Michgan's AD there's bound to be disagreement about some expenditures. The $3000 skywriting taunt was silly. Put into perspective it's one mistake and an infetesimal part of the budget. You should have a lot more to back up an over the top statement like that. I wonder what our athletic campus would look like without the generosity of our donors.
To take that money you have to think that any kind of dollars are more important than clarity of communication
Come on - not only is endowing positions a common practice across the country (including at Ivy League schools), but the "tradeoff" is basically zero - few people outside the press even read these media releases. This is one of the more innocuous ways of raising money out there. There are certainly worse alternatives.
I will give you $10 Millon to rename your username the "State Street honorary writer of things that occasionally interest me Seth" to be disbursed in any way that MGoBlog sees fit.
You turning that shit down?
No because the readers would find that hilarious every time they saw it and it would make a profoundly ironic statement. Plus our site cuts names short so they'd just know me as "The State Street..."
I'll send you the insertion order. We do demand upfront payment though.
Special guests included John Beilein, men's basketball head coach; Brady Hoke, J. Ira and Nicki Harris Family Head Football Coach; and Dave Brandon, Donald R. Shepherd Director of Athletics.
Like others, I fail to see what's so terrible about this sentence. For one thing, it's part of a press release and is not unlike thousands of similar sentences included in press releases every week. The sentence is entirely grammatical correct, with each person's name/title separated by semi-colons and the titles following the person's name separated by a comma. That's a standard style for these types of things and reads much better than a style that is too often used where the title precedes the name, as in:
Special guests included men's basketball head coach John Beilein, J. Ira and Nicki Harris Family Head Football Coach Brady Hoke, and Donald R. Shepherd Director of Athletics Dave Brandon.
Bottom line: It's not like you're being to forced to use these formal titles when referring to Hoke, Brandon, or whomever, so why get so upset about it?
Not "forced" but they send out reminders to include proper titles.
M hasn't gone further that that yet. Anecdotally an MLB team has taken away press credentials for someone's paper not using the corporate sponsor's name for the stadium.
If someone wants to donate $3 million a year so Mich can always pay top dollar for a head coach, other than wondering how a single person could have that much to blow on sports fandom, whatever, yay. There is a crucial difference I see between that and asking to be recognized for it in every press release.
Can you tell where the boundary is? What won't Michigan sell to a rich egomaniac? Advertising in the stadium. But that tradition was about drawing a line: this university is a public institution of the state of Michigan, and no matter how much money you have you don't get to distract the other people from the football and the band and the experience they came for. Now that tradition is a bare token, a single building left standing in the middle of a total devastation.
I think of Bo, who dared the NCAA to come after him for letting the walk-ons eat with the team despite NCAA regulations that prohibited it. He thought it repugnant to tell the guys who didn't have a scholarship that they're less worthy of food than the recruited guys when everyone had to practice as long and work as hard. Dave Brandon was one of those guys. But he totally missed the lesson about why you shouldn't do anything to exacerbate differences between people that come down to luck, that the same earnest effort entitles you to the same bench and tray as the guy on scholarship and NFL fast track.
Part of what informs my opinion--my bias perhaps--is that I grew up around a very large range of wealth, from Pontiac to Southfield to Birmingham for those who know metro Detroit. If there's ever a great equalizer between born rich and born poor it's being a kid eating the same cafeteria food. Kids are just worse at the shitty things we do more subtly as adults. So some (far from a majority) of the rich kids would always be trying to separate themselves. Is your backpack a Jansport? Oh that's not a North Face jacket is it? My dad's car has mobile! They tried to have seating for themselves in the cafeteria and you had to donate two fruit rollups if you wanted in. Like I said: bad at it. But the cruelest thing they did was they'd offer fruit rollups or Ecto Cooler juice boxes or a cool michigan trapper keeper to whoever will do such and such thing that is embarrassing. Like call the kid "master." It sickened me to watch kids take the deal. How could dignity be a thing you sell for a trapper keeper?
So if you don't agree with me fine. I respect that to some people words are easily ignored and what's a little hardship in press release comprehension next to money so the next time there's a Casteel situation the AD won't offer him a pittance then whine about the evil of the coach pay market. Your argument is valid. Just know that mine is too, and that it comes from a sincere distaste, not loyalism.
Seth, I generally appreciate the insight you bring to the board, but maybe Michigan sports and your personal values don't align anymore.
This is exaclty right. It's not like any fan ever will use the official title. And it's not like ESPN or BTN or ABC or whoever will say that title while calling the game on on a recap or anything. In fact, I bet many huge Michigan fans who don't read MGoBlog might go years without even knowing about this change. Such a fuss over nothing. Nothing, except that Michigan just made $3MM.
CFB is an arms race! And having successful fund raising only enhances our programs and facilities! We should be thankful for his efforts on this front and for the big donors that keep us ahead of other programs!
Doesn't he know he can add sponsorships to the END of the name too? Where's the "presented by Coca-Cola", Brandon? See, this is why he couldn't cut it as a Bowl Committee executive.
Someone gives the University $3MM and you're complaining about naming a coaching position after them? Stop whining and appreciate someone's generosity. Geez.
THIS. Thank you.
They gave their money, so we the fans should get to decide how it's used!!!
My comment wasn't in response to yours, TaiStreets. I no longer see the one I intended to respond to.
He could have not given the money to anyone at all, if that would be somehow better? At the end of the day, a good deed (yes) was done. I don't believe the reason for it needs to be scrutinized.
when announcers will have to call a game similar to this:
"What a pass to the James W. Museldorf Michigan wide receiver from Larry F. Woodsworth Michigan quarterback which will take the ball all the way up to the Blaerth B. Collins 40 yard line!"
Thanks for the gross exaggeration. But hey, it's time for the worn out daily crucifixion of Dave Brandon on this blog! Why bring reason into it?
money to operate and the program wouldn't be what it is today without the donations of those in the past, but to me this makes us as humans look like glorified dogs looking for a fire hydrant to mark ourselves on...
Humans that want recognition for the buildings they helped finance.
Yet no one here complains about Weil Hall or the Dow building or the Munger graduate residences. Do people only complain because it's attached to the evil, greedy football program run by that pizza-wielding menace to all that's good and pure about college athletics?
I think the issue is that we are talking about football coaches here. In the grand scheme of things - particularly related to education - these guys aren't really all that important. To name positions in the athletic department (AD, head coach, coordinator) after donors kind of elevates their jobs to something that they really aren't.
At least when people contribute money to build an academic building or create a scholarship they are doing something that creates public good and should be recognized as such. Donating money to an athletic department, while good for us Michigan fans, probably isn't an obvious public service.
the football program that is the problem, it is that there is an inherent awkardness in naming a job position versus a building. I have no problem with donors wanting to be recognized for their gifts, but the endowed job titles just end up sounding pretty dopey.
with similar titles. Not just at Michigan.
Weill Hall is a great building (my wife used to work there) - but Sandy Weill is an execrable human being and I'm embarassed by my university being associated with him. They should have turned down his filthy lucre.
As for the Munger graduate residence hall - it may be the stupidest idea the university has ever come up with. It's overpriced, will end up largely empty, it reduced parking in an area that desperately needs more, and it unnecessarily removed properties from the tax rolls.
I believe that graduate residence hall was Charlie Munger's idea. He had a bright idea for the campus, and since he paid for it they let him do it. I don't know enough about it to know if it's a good idea or not.
I personally don't care that much, but I do think its a bit silly. Why not name a training center or practice field after the donor? A coaching position seems like a dumb thing to name.
David Brandon could save a litter of puppies from a burning building and this board will go "How dare BRANDon deny those puppies their warmth? There is tradition that we have to uphold! Put those puppies back in!"
Maybe Brandon should spend less time saving puppies and more time getting MSU and OSU at home in alternating years!! Looks like we know where his priorities are.
He was trumped by the B1G schedulers and AD votes. It's that simple. There had to be give and take with the additions of Rutgers and Maryland. Does it suck playing them both away? Hell yes!
I know that, I was joking. Just bringing up another thing people like to blame Dave Brandon for.
This board would not object to David Brandon saving a litter of puppies from a burning building. This board probably would object to Donald R. Shepherd Director of Athletics David Brandon saving a litter of puppies from a burning building. And this board would most definitely object to Donald R. Shepherd Director of Athletics David Brandon saving a litter of puppies from a burning building and then tweeting out thanks to J. Ira and Nicki Harris Family Head Football Coach Brady Hoke for being his inspiration #LeadersandBest
I think the board would object more if the Donald R. Shepherd Director of Athletics David Brandon saved the Satchmo Q. Handerson Litter of Puppies from a burning building.
I mean, who donates money and wants naming rights to a litter of puppies in a burning building? That's just sick.
Stop whining and get over it.
Really? The gates of hell? Sheesh.
Things change. Be thankful Michigan isn't putting ad signage INSIDE the stadium. It could always be worse.
I HATE how social media is this big and everyone needs to be on their phones 24/7. Wifi in stadiums is a joke. Watch the game. Despite being young, I do not like many things those my age do.
The idea of naming coaching and athletic department positions after donors IS odd, no matter what you say about the generosity and support of the donors. Is it 'generous' that they decided to give their money to the athletic department? Of course it is. Is the athletic department just about the LAST place on campus that needs the support? Of course it is. Is the purpose of the donation to promote scholarship and support the academic pursuits of a scholar and through that scholar a host of associated research staff who would otherwise struggle to find funding? Come on, this is a coaching position in a revenue-generating machine, a position that would exist anyhow.
This is a vanity donation, just like Mr. Ross' enormous donation, certainly not necessary, certainly with no major intention other than stroking the ego of individuals with too much money on their hands. What happened to a plaque on the wall? Why anyone with that kind of money would look at the University of Michigan and think to him/herself, "I'll donate a few million to the athletic department", when there are so many people and programs in a constant desperate fight for outside funding just to keep their programs alive and roofs over the heads of their grad students, is way beyond me. But hey, it's their money, not mine.
...run away from here.
I'd rather have us name coaches than have ads in the stadium.
First we hated Lloyd Carr. Then we hated Rich Rod. Now we hate Hoke/Brandon. Can we just support the football team?
50 billion to the athletic department, I'd be fine if we played on Gates Field inside Michigan Stadium.
I'd rather that he gifted the $50 billion so that students from families of modest means wouldn't be saddled with tuition debt when they graduate.
In the eyes of many on this board, you are so unappreciative. If people want to gift money to an autonomous program within the university that sneezes money, they are wonderful and beyond critique.
Exactly. People give money away, millions of their own dollars, but people critique them saying that money should have gone to something else. Give me a break. There are a bunch of rich people none of us know who won't donate a dime of their own money, but we're going to bash the ones who do because they don't donate it to the right thing. Holy smokes.
I don't care if Mr. Robertson gives $3 million of his own money to endow some position like a professorship. That amount is not really a game-changer these days. And I'm not being "ungrateful", I'm just responding to the post about Gates donating his fortune to athletics.
When you think about an amount like $50 billion dollars, that can cause an enormous impact on the world. That's way bigger than U of M's total endowment by many multiples. If Gates or Warren Buffet one day woke up and said, "Screw this, forget about charities and medical research, I'm going to fund my alma mater's athletic departments instead!", well that is their money and there's nothing you or I can do anything about it. If they were to give those amounts, both Harvard and the Cornhuskers probably would be athletic powerhouses for decades on end, winning national championships to ad nauseum. But in the end, it's just sports. It may change the lives of a small number of scholarship athletes and the now-super-wealthy coaches, but for the rest of the students it doesn't do much. Probably the student tickets are now extremely cheap and the stadium has great wi-fi. But if they were to donate it to a scholarship fund... think about it: Most students getting a world-class education at U of M without having to worry about carrying a mortgage-sized debt and getting a great start on life. That would have a huge impact.
a "Thank you for your support" thread. Hopefully this gracious family doesn't read mgoblog. Some gives their hard earned money to the to a team we all support and you people turn it into another Dave Brandon bashing thread. This is embarrassing. Go Blue!
Oh, not that Sanford?
See what happens when season tickets don't get renewed
Until we start winning 9-10 games & contending for B1G titles consistently, D. Brandon will be getting loads of cash. Be on the lookout for the ''Tyrone Biggums smoking area.''
I only skimmed through much of the comments on this thread, but I haven't noticed anyone point out the distinction between a corporate entity vs. an individual donation. I'm not a big fan of the branding and some other changes made by DB, but this doesn't bother me at all. It's not like he's the Domino's Pizza Offensive Coordinator. This donor isn't trying to sell anything, just get recognition, and I see it as no different than an endowed fellowship or professorship.
I share your same sentiments. If someone wants to donate THEIR OWN MONEY to a university for whatever means they choose, who am I (or we) to comment negatively about. I think its only just, that if you donate million$ of bucks you get some sort of recognition. I shake my head at all the DB bashing on here. The man doesn't need the money, left a million dollar corporate career to take a thankless AD job at his alma mater out of pure passion, and he gets ripped in blogs daily. I'm greatful he took the job, but thats just my personal opinion.
If I donate $11 can I have a cupholder in one of the luxury suites named after me? Or maybe a towel boy?
I just want the schedule to not be an abomination and for the football team to be competitive against our real bench marks (OSU, MSU, top 25, bowl games). It hasn't consistently been that way for 10 years; 2006 was the only season during that span when the team was truly good. God, dammit... I don't see how these endowments do anything whatsoever to improve my experience as a fan of Michigan football so I'm not impressed. In fact, I can only think of 1 thing Brandon has done that fits the bill: night games. How hard was that to figure out?