VectorVictor05

September 4th, 2014 at 12:46 PM ^

You nailed it, mostly.  The BBA program is typically put anywhere from #2 to #5 in the country (along with Wharton, MIT, UVA, Cornell, etc.) by most rankings.  Admission was after your sophomore year up until the 06-07 school year (or maybe one year later, but not before).  The move to a 3 or 4 year undergard business program helped move them up the list a bit.

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Maximinus Thrax

September 4th, 2014 at 12:41 PM ^

I remember sitting in Econ 101 that first day where the professor asked how many of us wanted to get in to the the B school.  Most everybody raised their hand (this was in the large chem buidling lecture room).  He said it was the same thing in the other section he was teaching, and in presumably all other sections as well.  Then he told us something like they would admit around 150 undergrads into the program every year.  That hurt.

I have worked in public accounting for a number of years, but I have yet to meet a B-School alum professionally.  I know a large number of Eli Broad alums, and my impression is that as long as you aren't a total fuckup at MSU you can get in there.  At the Ross School of Business however you need to be the best of the best to get a BBA.

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PB-J Time

September 4th, 2014 at 1:16 PM ^

My most recent understanding (this could absolutely have changed) is that it is now 1 year of pre-reqs and then apply as opposed to 2 and 2. 

In fairness I did know someone in high school who chose to attend another prestigious undergraduate university because he was admitted directly into their B-school. He felt that he did not want to be burdened with having to gain admission twice (which functionally is the way U-M works)

Edit: hadn't refreshed when I made my comment, more complete repsonse is above

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Maximinus Thrax

September 4th, 2014 at 10:22 AM ^

On a side note, while I initially wanted Sparty to take down Oregon Saturday because B1G, my Sparty co-workers are causing me to rethink this.  Their arrogance is easily surpassing that of some Bama fans I know.  They have lost all ability to critically evaluate their team and are torn between claiming that they will completely shut down the fraud that is the Oregon offense, or believing that Connor Cook will cement his Heisman hopeful status with a breakout performance.  There is apparently no weak spot to be found on this team, and Sparty does not rebuild, they reload.  While the Wolverines can go a long ways towards nipping this kind of attitude in the bud with a win this year, it would be nice if Oregon would do their part this week.

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Danwillhor

September 4th, 2014 at 2:16 PM ^

Honestly, before "The EL Longest Second" I would root for msu whenever not playing Michigan. They had the name if my state of birth in it so why hate them when not playing UM? Then that happened and I grew old enough to meet "msu folk". That's when it changed. That is when I found myself cheering for nd vs msu. Everyone vs msu! That next year we crushed their souls in AA (one of the few games Carr was out for blood, no gentleman coaching) and I bathed in the joy of it. Since the "ELLS" game, I never root for msu unless playing osu or if them winning a game benefits us directly.

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Danwillhor

September 4th, 2014 at 2:19 PM ^

I could see them beating Oregon (they don't like teams built like them) but I hope Oregon drops 100 on them lol. Forget conference perception. I hour they lose and lose big. Yet, I don't see it. They'll win or lose close, IMO.

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flashOverride

September 4th, 2014 at 10:38 AM ^

Predict RCMB: "ZOMFG ROFL alskdjslkdjslak US News + New York Times = BLUE WALL!!!11!!!!!1!!!!111!!!!!"

*Yes, I know US News had nothing to do with this one, but I've seen similar "theories" when they publish their university rankings.

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mGrowOld

September 4th, 2014 at 10:44 AM ^

I did not get accepted initially into Michigan as a Freshman due to a pretty massive disparity between by SAT scores (extremely high) and my grades at Cranbrook (very low) but I had applied to Michigan, MSU & CMU (went one year to CMU and then tranferred back).  

Anyways on the day I recieved my very thin envelope from Michigan informing me of their rejection of my application for enrollment because they said I was "lazy" I also recieved a very thick packet of information from MSU offering me an academic scholarship due to my high SAT score.  They were postmarked the same day.

I so wish I kept those.

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mGrowOld

September 4th, 2014 at 1:26 PM ^

They called me lazy to my face in front of my dad.  I requested a meeting with the admissions director after the rejection and he took a look at my transcripts and my board scores and said "son - you are lazy.  And we don't like lazy people at U of M.  Prove you want to take academics seriously and then reapply."

So I did.

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taistreetsmyhero

September 4th, 2014 at 10:48 AM ^

Hell, I love to pick on state.

At the end of the day, though, choosing state vs. michigan isn't really that big a deal. Sure, on a large-scale level, Michigan grads probably tend to get better opportunities and whatever. But on an individual level, if you are willing to work hard in college, you will get where you want to be regardless of where you choose to go to school.

I hate anecdotes to prove a point, but I feel this one is particularly relevant:

I had a really good friend growing up who was extremely self-conscious about his intelligence. He was not dumb by any means, but he also wasn't a rockstar--he tried hard but still struggled in school. Add on the fact that he had a stutter and had very demanding parents and you get a guy with real self-image issues. But he worked his butt off and got into state, and I got into Michigan, and we went our separate ways.

Now for me, not to toot my own horn, but I kicked ass in classes at Michigan. Unfortunately, I didn't really have any career plan set in stone, didn't fully immerse myself in extra curricular activites, and tended to party and enjoy college instead. End of Junior year I decided, fuck it, I'll apply to med schools. I thought with my gpa and good MCAT I'd have a great shot to get into UofM. Long story short:  I didn't. I did get into some other really good out-of-state schools, but, mainly for monetary reasons I...settled...on Wayne State. In hindsight, I'm glad I'm here--great friends, will be great clinical experience, and great price. But, when I first started, I definitely felt like I had let myself down.

My buddy, on the other hand, knew he wanted to go the medical route from day 1. He set his targets on PA school, did his best in classes, and got very involved in shadowing, research, etc. early on. Spent two summers as an EMT. By junior or senior year, he said, fuck it, he'd apply to med school. Spent a year as a scribe to build his resume and studied for MCAT. He still didn't kill it, and his grades were only mediocre, but with his amazing extra curriculars, he managed to get into his dream school:  Wayne State.

Moral of the story is that, if you work hard and get lucky, you can achieve things you'd never imagine you could do. And I couldn't be more proud of my friend.

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michelin

September 4th, 2014 at 11:03 AM ^

Among all national universities, UM and NU were the only B1G schools to make the top 25.

Note that, since Ohio has a 16% larger state population than Michigan, Ohio should more often have been chosen over UM if the choice were based just on low tuition and geographic proximity.  If it is easier to get additional tuition assistance in Ohio, its advantage should have been even larger.  So, it is highly significant that UM still was chosen over Ohio by about 3 of every 4 students.   

Then again, it's hardly surprising.

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Little Jimmy

September 4th, 2014 at 11:50 AM ^

My neighbour's cottage is 2 houses over from where I live.  Their grandson is starting at MSU this fall even though he was accepted to UM.

Both his parents are alums along with his granddad.

The reason?  All his buddies are going to MSU...

Needless to say his folks were not too happy but they allowed it.  Their reasoning was it is better to have their son in school for 4 years, get a degree and enjoy the college experience than force him to go to a school he has no interest in attending that he may just drop out of.

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1989 UM GRAD

September 4th, 2014 at 1:50 PM ^

The way you are spelling "neighbour" leads me to believe that your neighbor's grandson is Canadian...which would explain his choice of MSU over Michigan.

In an effort to offset my snarky and gratuitous comment, I will add that I'm not buying the parents' approach.  I'm sure the grandson could've found some new buddies on a campus of 40,000 people.

And this doesn't take in to account the many other elements that make U of M a better overall experience than MSU...the city of Ann Arbor, the prestige, the history, the campus, the sports programs, the diversity, the opportunities, etc.

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Little Jimmy

September 4th, 2014 at 2:02 PM ^

But my house is on Lake Erie where there are allot of Americans with cottages around it.

In fact - on my beach of 10 houses, only 2 are Canadian.

Don't get me wrong - there was allot of lobbying to try and change his mind prior to him deciding on MSU - and by all accounts it was quite emotional.

But at the end of the day, he's a good kid, a smart kid and it's his life and final decision.

In the end (like it or not) both UM and MSU are great universities with great reputations and a degree from either goes along way in this world. 

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Little Jimmy

September 4th, 2014 at 11:43 AM ^

I love beating up on OSU and MSU as much as the rest but let's put some perspective in this discussion.

The sample size difference b/t Michigan and Ohio is huge.  Over 20,000 kids from MI and only 287 from Ohio - or about 1.4% of the MI sample size.

So of course more people will/should pick UM over OSU since out of those 57 applicants, only 1-2 would have been from Ohio.

Add in another 20,000 kids from Ohio and that % will probably drop closer to 50%.

I am actually shocked that the % is so low at 74%.  I'd expect that to be higher - especially with the disproportionate amount of MI applicants.

 

 

 

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michelin

September 4th, 2014 at 1:41 PM ^

FWIW, based on a small sample in Ohio itself, more joint applicants also chose Case Western than Oh St (despite considerable tuition advantages for the latter).

Still, you make a valid point.  We do not know the state of the 57 students sampled who applied to both UM and Ohio.  However, it would be hard to extrapolate student preferences just based on state sampling.  There are so many other factors that also would be relevant to student choices.  (eg how many UM (vs Ohio) applicants were not included in the 57 because they also applied to and were accepted by Ivy League or other highly competitive schools?).  Also, if you live in Ohio (vs MI), what social pressures would you face if you went to the other school?  Beyond this, the actual student choices may not reflect the relative quality of schools but the ease of getting a degree.  Such factors could explain why--as you question--the advantage of UM was not even greater.

Like so many other studies of revealed preference. the student choices reported clearly had many confounding factors.  However, the NY Times article noted that applicant choices closely paralleled other ratings of student prererences and school rankings.   eg in World University rankings, UM is #18; Ohio is not in the top 50—in fact, not even in the top hundred according to some sites. So, it is silly to think that a random student would be almost as likely to choose Ohio over UM.

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buckeyejonross

September 4th, 2014 at 11:46 AM ^

This is really funny, because I went to high school in Michigan (Go Clarkston Wolves woo HOO!) and I swear to god in the 10 years I attended Clarkston public schools I can count on two hands the number of real, true MSU fans. Yet, like clockwork 40% of our 600+ kid graduating classes attend MSU. So how do all these kids end up fans of Michigan instead? What are their alum parents doing? Why?! Do kids go to MSU and still root for Michigan?

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