2024 Football Commits Updated 247 Rankings

Submitted by njvictor on October 13th, 2023 at 2:29 PM

247 just updated their new rankings for the 2024 class and I thought I'd share how our current commits and some targets have moved:

OL Andrew Sprague #106 -> #54

QB Jadyn Davis #76 -> #110 (going to write a comment about this because I have thoughts)

RB Jordan Marshall #200 -> #144

TE Hogan Hansen #107 -> #146

CB Jo'Ziah Edmond #645 -> #151 (!!!)

TE Brady Prieskorn #146 -> #160

DE Devon Baxter #626 -> #224 (!!!)

OL Blake Frazier #199 -> #232

Targets:

DE Deshawn Warner #692 -> #173

Communist Football

October 14th, 2023 at 8:43 AM ^

Most important thing to understand about 247 is that their rankings are keyed to how players will perform in the NFL. Undersized or hybrid players don’t rank as well because 247 sees them as less valuable at the NFL level. They could still be great college players. I have long wondered about Jadyn’s height though. 

njvictor

October 13th, 2023 at 2:34 PM ^

On the topic of Jadyn Davis, I really don't get his ranking drop. It seems to honestly be only about his height and that's it. He was a 5* last year, played really well during the season, went to the Elite 11 and wasn't great in drills against air because he doesn't have the most elite size or arm, but killed it in 7v7. Then, I guess because he wasn't elite in those drills, most services dropped him to being outside the top 100. He is now back to playing extremely well at Providence Day, better than he did last year, and they are keeping him outside the top 100? He may not have the absolutely elite ceiling of some other QBs, but he's proven to be better already on the field despite that. I just don't get it

JonnyHintz

October 13th, 2023 at 10:04 PM ^

Yeah I just don’t care enough to nitpick the ranking of individual players. I’ve seen far too many 5* flameouts and 3* phenoms to think it really matters. It’s obvious he has some talent regardless, and he seems to have the attitude and work ethic the staff covets. 
 

Whether he’s a 5*, a top-100 4* or a mid-4* (or lower) won’t matter a single bit once he’s enrolled. It’s all about what you do in the weight room, in the film room, in practice, and in games. He’s not any better or worse based on where some recruiting sites arbitrarily rank him. 

meeashagin

October 14th, 2023 at 1:04 AM ^

St Brown was a 5 star.

I think another issue too is height relative to Harbaugh pro style offense. I've seen some point out Shea Patterson was short too. Even Cade would slam a couple of balls a game into back of oline helmets.

Hard to believe Jadyn was the #1 overall player when OSU backed out on him for DR who then quickly took over the #1 spot. Hmmm????

Fwiw, top 150 is definitely more than talented enough to play at Michigan.

JonnyHintz

October 14th, 2023 at 9:50 AM ^

I believe the “St. Brown levels of motivated” refers to St. Brown falling in the draft to the 4th round and how he’s used that as motivation and turned into one of the better receivers in the NFL, not anything to do with his recruiting ranking. Implying that Davis could use his ranking drop as a similar type of motivation 

BlueintheLou

October 13th, 2023 at 2:41 PM ^

I keep reading that most of the skepticism of his 5-star talent is projecting him to the next level due to his height and arm strength (as you mentioned), as well as a perceived lack of mobility to make up for those two. I have not seen any of his game action, but I'd have to imagine he isn't being asked to be that mobile (designed runs or scrambles hardly seem necessary when you are 110-139 passing). Is he being sacked with any frequency? Otherwise, it is hard to see this is a legit criticism of his game action if it is not really required...

It's all strange, but who cares! Hopefully he comes in next year and settles right into being great!

AZBlue

October 13th, 2023 at 4:23 PM ^

FWIW -- I saw someone "debating" the new composite/combined rankings with EJ Holland on Twitter yesterday.

The last interaction I saw was:

(commentor) - "So he's a higher ceiling version of Cade?" 

(EJ)- "He's more mobile than Cade but not to the level of a true dual-threat QB".

mi93

October 13th, 2023 at 3:07 PM ^

Isn't his completion percentage higher than JJ's?  I get maybe his WR Jimmies are way better than the DB Joes, but dude still has the put the ball in HS hands.

Give me great attitudes and proven winners.  Unfortunately, it seems Cade only had part 2, but that part 2 was legit.  JJ has both.  I like the odds this young man has both too.

njvictor

October 13th, 2023 at 3:32 PM ^

His team is wildly talented so maybe they feel like his flaws aren't exposed since everyone around him is so good?

I mean he finished top 2 in the 7 on 7 competition at the Elite 11, which kinda weakens the "he's a system QB" and "his team is more talented" arguments surrounding him

alum96

October 13th, 2023 at 6:54 PM ^

Kyler Murray was pretty good in college 

Could care less about pro prospects due to length (thats what she said)

Dug is going to be a 4 yr starter here due to lack of NBA projections which helps us ..

Jadyn if he pans out will be called Doug flutie and stuck here for his career. That said hopefully we can get you know who in the classes ahead..

 

Troy Smith is a god dang legend for osu with his lack of size but barely sniffed a cup of tea in NFL.  Just win.

mwolverine1

October 13th, 2023 at 3:05 PM ^

Essentially, I don't think he ever should have been a 5*. He's already the shortest QB ranked in the Top 150 by 247 since Bryce Young in 2020, and he's nowhere near as good of an athlete. He plays with much better talent than his opponents too which helps his stats. His stats are really good (best passer efficiency among Elite 11 QBs) which is propping up his rating, but it's clear the sites see him more as a 4th-6th round NFL guy than a 1st-3rd round guy.

bronxblue

October 13th, 2023 at 3:56 PM ^

You're probably right about the over ranking as it applies to the NFL draft but I don't get why college recruiting really should care how a guy projects to the pros when considering how he'll do in college.  It feels like they're all focused on potential, which is why a bunch of these blurbs on these QBs are "built like a QB with a live arm, just needs to be more accurate, show better decision making, and not just rely on his physical tools".  Yes, sometimes those guys turn into Josh Allen but more often it feels like they turn into Shane Morris, Joe Milton, or Christian Hackenberg (I know Hackenberg was better than the other two in HS but I never thought he looked like a top-2 QB)

GLORY

October 13th, 2023 at 4:53 PM ^

I don't get why college recruiting really should care how a guy projects to the pros when considering how he'll do in college.

Yeah, it seems pretty absurd that these recruiting services are ranking prospects based on "NFL projection" when in fact, most (if not all) subscribers are interested in their ability to perform at the next level, that is the NCAA.  I mean, if I wanted to know the NFL prospects, why wouldn't I just lean on Mel Kiper and Todd McShay's of the world for information?  Just seems like the interests aren't aligned.

mwolverine1

October 13th, 2023 at 4:55 PM ^

You have to be both. Milton for as good as his tools are was only ranked as a 3* by 247 (ESPN was really high on him but we all know what we think of them).

I took a look at passer ratings of all the Elite 11 QBs and found that 10/20 had passer ratings above 200 (Jadyn Davis leads the way with a 258.6). For reference, only Caleb Williams has a college rating above 200 this year.

I think some of the consternation comes from the change in ratings over the course of the cycle as sites overreact to the latest and greatest data. When the Elite 11 was going on, it was the best data the recruiting sites had. Now senior seasons are. Soon it'll be the All-star games. 

PopeLando

October 13th, 2023 at 3:08 PM ^

My relatively uninformed opinion is that 7-on-7 drills are, by themselves, one of the least useful tools in evaluating a prospect.

Like, ok if you’re BAD in those drills that could be eye opening, but if you’re just kinda decent-to-good-but-not-elite at those drills but are lighting it up on the field…idk I’m inclined to ignore the 7v7 results 

Streetchemist

October 13th, 2023 at 3:16 PM ^

The recruiting sites say they evaluate based on "pro potential" and Davis doesn't have a great arm and isn't mobile which I guess are the 2 main things they use?  This begs the question why he was rated so highly in the first place.  Surely his lack of mobility and mediocre arm were things that were evident his sophmore and junior years.  

bronxblue

October 13th, 2023 at 3:27 PM ^

Yeah, I don't follow recruiting all that intently but I checked in on C.J. Carr and he seems to be having, at best, a comparable season to Davis (he's a bit better on the ground than Davis while Davis is better in the air but I honestly don't know level of competition), and yet Carr is snugly in the top-50 overall per 247 and Davis is down outside the top 100.  It can't all just be "on guys projects better to the NFL" because this is college we're talking about and, to an extent, I don't think it really matters if you're going to look good at the combine if you're not doing as well at actual football.

BoFan

October 13th, 2023 at 3:40 PM ^

I was reading an article about what scouts think about the top 6 QB Heisman candidates as NFL prospects and many were not liked because the offenses were overly simplified for them in college or they showed no ability to make the reads they need to make.  JJ was an exception because Harbaugh’s offense is more NFL like.  
 

So with Davis, the skills we want are leadership and the ability to make the reads to go along with a great arm and athleticism.  I don’t think that is how college scouting services and Elite 11 judge recruits. 
 

I’ll leave it to Michigan to make that decision.  
 

Tom Brady and Brock Purdy would always be overlooked.  
 

 

Lakeyale13

October 13th, 2023 at 4:42 PM ^

You can have Joe Milton (possessing every physical measure you would want if you could create your perfect QB) or you can have those guys that aren't the perfect size and can't throw the ball 80yds from their knees but they just win.  They know where the ball is supposed to go.  They read defenses and make great decisions.  I'll take the latter any day of the week.

GeneFunk

October 13th, 2023 at 2:46 PM ^

Another guy who isn't super toolsy and ended up in a similar spot in the rankings as Jadyn is Cam Rising. 

I may be biased because I think Cam Rising is a really good college QB, but that's a win for this class if that's the type of guy he ends up being.

 

NJblue2

October 13th, 2023 at 2:49 PM ^

It's insane how well Georgia recruits, most of their class is just top 150 kids. 

The recruiting sites must see something with Davis since he's just dropping like a rock everywhere. Maybe, they think his natural abilities are limited for some reason so his potential isn't high. 

bronxblue

October 13th, 2023 at 3:31 PM ^

I think some of it is just herding; you see it in a lot of political polling but these services don't have monster rosters of guys who go out to games and professionally scout guys every weekend.  That's why these camps, post-season HS bowls, and the like are so popular and seemingly carry a lot of weight because it's a time where you can analyze a bunch of guys in one space.  So as noted elsewhere, Davis didn't look great in the toolsy part of the camps because he's not got a howitzer and he isn't that tall, and so he gets labeled an okay player and then nobody really checks back in.  Guys they do see, who maybe they didn't consider earlier as much, shoot up more and so naturally guys have to move down to make room.

Davis doesn't strike me as a guy with a high NFL ceiling; he's not an elite athlete and his height will hurt him.  But I see no reason why he can't be a very good-to-great college QB who wins a ton of games especially on a team like UM who should have good line play and running game.

NJblue2

October 13th, 2023 at 3:37 PM ^

I assume he went to camps and whatnot before this last offseason. I wonder if maybe he just hasn't improved anything the last couple of years and he's plateaued as a player. 

I think he can be a good QB too, but it seems he's maybe closer to a Cade than a JJ which is fine, obviously you can with that. 

I hope they do everything possible to get Underwood though. He seems like an elite game changing QB, who will be a NFL QB.

smitty1233

October 13th, 2023 at 2:52 PM ^

My new recruiting Star Mantra:

Does Jim and the staff approve enough to extend an offer? Good enough for me... 

The development of players in this program is second to no one in the country. Simply amazing. 

Where before I may have got caught up in the rankings and this or that... 

 

 

rice4114

October 13th, 2023 at 3:52 PM ^

Michigan has everything it needs to win 13 games a season. It will take recruiting wins vs top 10 programs to win the 14th and 15th game (more with the 12 team playoff). Let me be clear I am not star gazing what I am saying is if our coaches are taking THEIR back up plan more often than not, even if we develop the shit out of them, that isnt optimal. Was our coaches first choice another kid time and time again? If so that ends up being an issue over time. You wont hang with an NFL team if they get 6 first round picks every year. Eventually its going to catch up. 

mgogogadget

October 13th, 2023 at 4:08 PM ^

You're telling me this Michigan team can't win a 14th or 15th game this year? Your argument is pretty damn similar to what others made when Michigan couldn't beat OSU and get into the playoff. I don't think there's a credible cfb fan or analyst that believes Michigan doesn't have the talent to win a national championship this year. If that's the case, is Michigan's roster talent really something to be concerned about at all? Man, why are we worrying about "hanging with an NFL team"? This team is really fuckin awesome and the program looks capable of sustaining this for a bit. 

GLORY

October 13th, 2023 at 9:17 PM ^

Sustainability is a different issue. 

No one is arguing that we can't win 14th or 15th game this year, but he's not wrong here.  For instance, '24 could be the year where recruiting may be the reason for our decline.  It's no secret that we've always done more with less due to our biggest strength- player development/coaching.  Conversely, Miami and Texas A&M haven't done shit with all the 5 stars on their rosters because this is exactly what they lack.  Now, Alabama's dynasty is a byproduct of both factors.  In order to sustain long-term success, we need recruiting to catch up to our player development.

mgogogadget

October 15th, 2023 at 10:38 AM ^

Sustaining Bama level football is definitely not what we're talking about here. Might be modern CFB's greatest dynasty. Michigan sustaining the success we've seen in this current '21-'23 run is absolutely a realistic possibility with their typical recruiting class. 

rice4114

October 15th, 2023 at 4:53 PM ^

This year they can absolutely. What I am saying to you is they dont need my first recruiting choice or the recruiting services first choice but going forward they will need several of THEIR first choices. That is imperative to keep this going and make the next step. Our recruiting competition needs to be Georgia, Bama, and OSU at some sort of hit rate. Our guys cant all be Kentucky, WVU or Missouri steals that we fell back on. I am saying our coaches need to get THEIR top picks recruiting services be damned. We all agree its a lot of runner up for our first targets and diamond in the rough fall backs.

AlbanyBlue

October 13th, 2023 at 4:48 PM ^

I disagree, at least for THIS season. Michigan absolutely has the talent to win it all this season. Other posters have nailed what they need to do, and I am on board. That is, in the CFP, Michigan must fully commit to the whole playbook on offense right from the start. Run JJ. Zone read. RPO. Get Donovan involved in the passing game right away. Let JJ use the whole field in the pass game.

To do this effectively, Michigan must practice doing it in live situations, and to their credit, they are doing it -- to some degree anyway -- so far this year. I think it needs to be done more, but that's a minor quibble.

Assuming Michigan is willing to put it all on the table on offense, they absolutely can win it all this season.