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2016 Josh Jackson (wing) Southfield, MI
Doubt he goes to Michigan, but the coaches have attended multiple games of his this year.
Didnt Sam say he grew up msu fan ?
watched him in the finals. they played on of the teams in my high schools conference. he looked like he could have scored 50 if he really wanted. he was unselfish, a great passer and man was he smooth for being a 6'8 soph. the kid literally looks and plays like a mini Durant to me. I can't wait till next year when they move to class B to see how that affects his numbers.
I feel like he should maybe be a kid that goes out of state high school wise to a school like Findlay prep or oak hill to concentrate on basketball more, but that's just my opinion
His mom says no. They don't like the prep school model. They are against the whole "basketball factory" idea.
his college choices right now are Kentucky and Kansas? OK.
but the kid turned 17 the beginning of February. My twins will still be 17 when they graduate HS.
This kid is the real deal.. was listening to sam webb on WTKA a few weeks back on the recruiting roundup and says this is the best player to come out of Michigan since Chris Webber. Unfortuntely, Webb thinks Michigan's chances are slim in landing him.
How is Michigan behind the 8 ball on this one? Doesn't make sense given the on court success and NBA output. Why not put on for your Home State and play in front of friends and family @ Michigan? Wierd......
about UM that you do... everyone has preferences, unfortunately, at least as of now, Michigan is not his.
he wants to go out of state instead of staying in-state. So MSU and Michigan are behind the 8 ball against out of state programs.
we know he's there--we know he's good--we are recruiting him hard--we will offer him this Summer
we just can't make him come to Michigan--if so, Kennard would be coming here.
I think, part of it and I could be wrong is that Jackson could be a one and done and I thought that Belien was not a big fan of that. I wouldnt be suprised if the kid went to Kentucky like James Young did.
I don't understand why more elite kids aren't lining up to play for Beilein. The guy is churning out NBA talent, winning championships in the process, and is one of the most respected coaches in the game.
elite kids don't "line up"
Except for Calipari, for reasons that will be left unsaid
We've been pretty good over the last 5 years which is the period you would think high school kids remember. Maybe there are still mis-conceptions out there about JB's system or philosophy being too narrow or that he is not one and done freindly? Who knows.
But you have to think that each successfull year on the court and each Michigan player that gets drafted can only help the cause. Hopefully that starts to bear fruit sooner than later.
if you were a kid and were a one and done talent, why go to a school like Kentucky where you have all the one and done talent and everybody kind of gets there's. Why wouldn't you go to a school like say a Maryland who once was good, but sucks now get still plays in a bug conference and kind of bring the team back for a year while being the team's goto player, get a chance to try for 30 every game, etc.
what the one-and-done ground rules will be by 2016? Things seem to be headed for some sort of adjustment, as the new NBA Commish (Silver) has already voiced concern about how the NBA does business in regards to taking one-and-dones in the draft. Add to that the potential fallout from the unionization situation at Northwestern, and the entire landscape for college athletics might be turned upside-down by then.
Just because we have Bo Ryan in our conference doesn't make the rest of us bug people!
Right now Michigan basketball is equivalent to Michigan State football. After some pretty dark years, the program has been revived and has been elite the past few years.
However elite for the last few years doesn't make Michigan the most coveted team in the country to recruits. Like Michigan State in football, we've gotten some big time recruits (Gohlston and now McDowell for State, McGary, Irvin and GR3 for us), but for the most part we're still not going to be competing with Duke/Kentucky for most blue chips.
We have a great past few years with Beilein. And a few more like these years and we'll be able to compete with some of those programs. But 3 great years does not make us more appealing than decades of greatness and blue bloods like Duke, Kansas, Kentucky, UCLA, etc.
Terrible comparison considering that State football has never sniffed the success that Michigan basketball had before the Fab Five issues. Michigan is building that reputation BACK to where it used to be MSU never had that championship reputation to build BACK to,they are building to that.
And they are confused by your post.
The comparison is pretty apt. MSU actually has a fairly strong football program history, and then the 70s (Bo) came along and pretty much changed the perception of that program. Their history is in many ways on par with Michigan's basketball history, and is some ways better and some ways worse.
You're allowed to acknowledge some of MSU's successes and still be a Michigan fan, it's alright.
i aknowledge their success and I do not date to the 50's so I can admit when I am wrong then. I still do not think MSU football is nationally viewed the way Michigan baskeball is part of that is most likely the FAB Five and the national name they are.
Even if that's true, I can tell you as someone who is college aged, teens don't care either way. I'm 20, and I wasn't alive for the Fab Five, and none of these kids were either.
For as long as these kids have been alive, except for these recent years, State football and our basketball were awful. Now this is changing. When they were good before that is irrelevant. Whether it was the 50's or 90's, to kids these days (including myself), if it was before we were born, they both carry the same weight, which is not a lot.
I understand that and fully get it also meant to add it to the post, that most of them were not alive for that era. The thing is they know who they are they have heard of the Fab Five they have name recognition there is not much name recongntion or someone that defines MSU football that is recognized all the time like the Fab Five is MSU basketball does football not so much. That is what I waS trying to get across.
I completely disagree that MSU football has a comparable history as M basketball. MSU was good in the 50s and 60s and hasn't been since until very recently.
Michigan basketball has made it to Final Fours in 5 decades. They have a modern era national title. They have played in four national championship games since 1989. I'm all for giving MSU football when it's due, but this is not a fair comparison.
but if you are looking at the last 50 years then Michigan basketball has had much more success and cache than Michigan State football.
Your average high school senior was 5 years from being born when the Fab Five played. That's about as real to them as MSU football's success prior to racial integortion.
That makes me feel very old! My freshman year was Fab 5's sophomore year.
If I was a one and done type talent, why wouldn't I go to a place like Kentucky? They just built a new state of the art athletes dorm on campus next to the arena, you get to practice against some of the top 5-star talent in the country which should make you a better player in the process. And lets be honest.. with Calipari at the helm, who knows if you have to really go to class..lol
For a year, why even go to class? Your time is much better spent practicing and resting. That's why 1 and done or even 2 and done makes no sense. There is no reason to go to class or care about a degree.
Forcing kids who don't want to go to college to go to college also makes no sense.
of all worlds. I'd prefer a model like Hockey where kids can be drafted but still play in college if they want and if not they can go pro immediately if ready. And if they want to go the college route they have to stay at least 2 or 3 years.
Go to the NBA fast. No need to go to class. Cushy, state-of-the-art facilities where you live 10 times better than the average student. You get treated like a god by your fanbase. Who knows what else. So, yeah. Why wouldn't a top player want to go there?
Here's the highlight film from the OP:
When you recruit against Duke, Kansas, UNCs etc, you are going to lose a clear majority of the time. He probably won't stay in the B1G so that's fine with me if he doesn't go to Michigan
This kid is a must get for Michigan. I don't care if he's a one and done and either should Beilein. He'd be crazy not to recruit this kid incredibly hard. Talent like this isn't always in your backyard.
I would hardly call him a "must get". That's portraying him as someone we need to be successful. He'd be a HUGE get, we will probably be just fine if we do not get his commitment.
agree he'd be a huge get but not a must get. As long as we have coach Beilein, we'll be fine in terms of recruiting talent.
Ok, huge get. Michigan will be fine without him, but he would add so much talent to the roster. And being local, it shows Beilein can lock up in-state superstars.
most likely, this is the last year of one and done phenoms. the NBA age minimum now is 19. The NBA has publicly said that they will likely change it to 20 after this draft. So unless they are older freshman, they will need to play two years post high school before they can declare. BTW, thus has ramifucations for UM sophomores thinking about the draft this year. Next year's draft will be void of one and done players - making it a great draft to be in.
The NBA will have to reach an agreement with the Players Association first.
Players would be okay with keeping teams from drafting kids on potential only thus helping the players keep their jobs a little longer.
and Jackson turned 17 as a HS sophomore, he will be 19 by the time he graduates. Straight to the NBA?
and Jackson turned 17 as a HS sophomore, he will be 19 by the time he graduates. Straight to the NBA?
Yeah, he repeated 8th grade to "mature" and improve his "academics" per his mom.
When in reality, these kids repeat grades to be more dominate in sports point blank.
I don't know where the idea Beilein does not want one and done players comes from. He has said many times that he would go after one and done players as long as you're a team player and about Michigan. He doesn't want me players one and done or not. Andrew Wiggins easily would have fit in. Harrison twins not so much.
Harrison twins can eat shit.
do want, but we ain't gettin him
If Izzo can't pull in in-state kids that grew up as fans of his teams, that's a big loss. Izzo barely recruits more than 250 miles from campus. Those kind of losses are hard to replace.
More and more local kids are going to grow up as fans of Beilein's teams instead. For now, Beilein has to cast a much wider net in recruiting. While it would be great to get a talent like Jackson, he's proven he doesn't need to.
But it would be a dang shame to see him leave the state.
Didn't Uconn have to sit out a tournament due to transfers and kids not graduating, or something like that.
How does Calipari get away with no one graduating? (I know four or five guys did last year, but two transfered and two went pro).
How does that work?
sat out last year because they went below the APR rate.
We went over this in one of my sport management classes.
For example, a coach signs a 5 man class with 4 one-and-dones and a 3-star (probable 4 year player. As long as the one-and-dones leave in good academic standing and the 3-star graduates, the graduation rate is 100%.
The best we can hope is he goes out of conference and certainly not to Staee.
He's been on the record saying MSU & Kentucky are his "dream schools" a year ago or so, but other than that, hasn't spoken to anybody about his recruitment. His fam/coaches don't allow him to speak to anybody. His circle is about as tight-lipped as it gets when it comes to his future.
...so if you see any of those "experts" speculate on where he'll end up, its just them making uneducated guesses. Whoever made those "crystal ball" selections are those who are comfortable talking out of their asses.
...and yea, he's the most talented scorer to come out of Michigan since The Iceman. He has "T-Mac: The Sequel" written all over him....