2010 Record - You Decide Our Fate
You have the power (You are kind of a Big Deal) to determine UM's 2010 football record, however, you have to pick from the following opions - which one and why?
a) 9-3, New Year's Day Bowl, BUT losses to ND, MSU, and OSU
b) 8-4, Beat ND and MSU, but losses to Iowa, Purdue, Wisco, and OSU (starting 8-1)
c) 7-5 and beating OSU
Hey, it's over a month away from the start of the season...
A. I'm all about record this year. However, if the season unfolded like option A, I will be mystified how the team got by Wisconsin, PSU, Iowa, UConn, and yet somehow lost to a young/inexperienced ND team with a new coach and MSU (which speaks for itself).
I'd take any of those. With records like A or B, I think we are pre-season top 25 next year, which will let recruits know that Michigan is back and RR is going to stay.
C would accomplish the same thing about RR, but may not put us in the pre-season top 25. However, all of the fans will be happy about finally beating OSU.
C. The sooner we stop this:
http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/buckeyextra/index.html
"Days since Michigan’s last victory over Ohio State in football: 2428"
The better.....
I'll take A. Reestablish our team as one of the top nationally, and we can worry about our rivalries next fall.
EDIT: You know, I changed my mind. I think I like C. Give us one more year to "rebuild" while trashing tUoOSU in the Armpit, and we can go for a sexy win number (9+) next year.
Every seasons first goal must be beating OSU. Then Big ten champs. The records will come with those two goals.
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Predator fan and dreadlocked.....you are a serious candidate for the Dos'Equis commercials.
+1 to you sir.
"He once lived vicariously through himself..."
I'm bigger on A and C than I am on B, but only because Purdue is listed in there. I really don't want to lose to them again.
I'm pleasantly surprised. I'm leaning towards B., since you don't say who we lose to in C. But how in B. do you not note that we Beat PSU? (And we lose to Purdue...really?).
Exactly... going 8-4 would be enticing considering wins over MSU and ND. But losing to a should-be-lowly Purdue team really makes "b" a more difficult decision. 8-4 with a "legit" loss @Penn St. instead of a "trap game" loss @ Purdue has a very different vibe
Octal9 said what I think a lot of us think.... losing to Purdue (again) is not an option.
A "big victory" against PSU to offset it. And get a new streak started (the old...won twice since 96...which is still true, but sounds hollow when you've lost 2 in a row).
Not telling you how to think...just saying that there is some deliberation to it....
An 8-1 start brings in a lot of recruits who are "watching" the Michigan program and makes us even better in the future. Beating OSU can begin the following year and continue annually after that.
I'll take B, just for stocking the shelves in the future.
to say I'm also leaning towards B. I think if we go into osu at 6-5 there may be some serious doubts about RR getting another year. It would be tough stomaching the loss of the last couple games but I think I could take a loss to purdue again easier than to dantonio.
I was walking into a building yesterday and there was a groundskeeper using a leaf blower to clean the front approach. He stopped to let me walk past and says something of which I could not hear. I turned to look and he yells 'Go Buckeyes" (I had a M polo on) and then takes the leaf blower points it at my face and turns it up to full speed. wth?
I responded with a 'Go Blue' and continued to walk inside. He then knocked on the window does the fingers to his eyes and then points at me and says 'I'm watching you. You can talk when you win something.' I pointed out that he missed a spot and continued on my way.
The point is that I'm sick of it, like we all are. I pick any option that involves M going to a bowl and beating that school to the south.
If you told him their guy was spending more time assaulting people coming there, than blowing leaves. (I mean, really, how many leaves can there be on the ground in July?). Let him think if he won something in the unemployment line. Not that you had to be whiney guy, and do it. Just make him think about it for awhile.
a waste of a degree...
Behavior like that explains why that fucktard is blowing grass (and possibly something else) for a living.
B. The difference between 9-3 and 8-4 seems pretty negligible for me if we beat ND and MSU. Being an instate student, I'm tired of hearing my friends at Michigan State gloat over their victories. We can save the Ohio State beating for 2011 as we ride on into the Big 10 (12) championship game.
Losing to MSU 3 years in a row would be unacceptable (at least I didn't capitalize it, right?). Beat MSU or clean house. If you can't beat little brother than who can you beat? Not OSU, not PSU. (OK, 11-1 with the lone loss to MSU would not be unacceptable, just nauseating).
d) None of the above.
-If we go 9-3, we aren't losing to ND, MSU and OSU (maybe Wisc, OSU and PSU).
-I don't see 8-4 with a loss to Purdue. RR seems to an angry, never-forget, type of guy. Good luck, Danny Hope.
-How do we go 7-5 but beat OSU with third year Pryor? If we lose 5 games, I can't see a win over OSU.
Of course, you list some fairly rosy scenarios that would make most UofM fans happy after the last two, utterly terrible seasons. I have no clue what to expect this season, but do anticipate a fair amount of "YYYYeahhhhh!", followed by "NNNNOoooooo!", interspersed with occasional, "What the fuck is this music, Neil Diamond"?
Instead of "Yeah!!!" Followed by "Nooo!!!!!" I'm hoping for the "Nooo!!!!" followed by "Yeah!!!!" a la the Denard fumble-touchdown-sprint-of-greatness against WMU last year.
Hmmmm....I seem to recall only slightly better Michigan teams beating better OSU teams...
You're just basing that on hope. None of us expected to see a 3-9 team followed by a 5-7. I'm sure a drop-off was expected but we were all disappointed. We need our team to be good and right now we're just hoping to erase the last two years. I'd love to beat OSU senseless, but TP in year 3...at OSU...I don't see it.
Who said "world beater"? Not me, but I do think a 3rd year highly touted QB is going to be better than a 2nd year highly touted QB...much in the same way that we're hoping a 2nd year Tate (or Denard) is an improvement over a 1st year Tate/Denard. Other teams can hope for improvement just like we can. I'd be thrilled to beat them, but I think ND/MSU are more likely victories.
Being a highly-touted QB prospect does not make one a highly touted 2nd year QB. The point still stands that Pryor wasn't thought that highly of between his time as a recruit and the Rose Bowl. It is still a big question as to whether he will have had a highly touted career as OSU's QB.
I hate OSU as much as the next guy, but let's not get crazy here.
Maybe Pryor is no longer thought of as the greatest QB in the history of the world, but he was (and is) still thought of very highly. Who is a more highly touted QB in the Big Ten...Kirk Cousins? Marve? Newsome?
I will point you to your phrase that I (pretty clearly I thought) took issue with:
...but I do think a 3rd year highly touted QB is going to be better than a 2nd year highly touted QB
Pryor wasn't a 'highly touted QB' during his first or second years at OSU - until the Rose Bowl. That is the only point I was trying to clarify. Even our freshman Tate was more highly touted than Pryor for most of last year.
And I don't understand the question asking for a comparison between Pryor and other Big Ten QBs. That has nothing to do with the conversation. The comparison you were making was between Pryor last year and Pryor this year. You say he will be improved, and thus very difficult to beat. I am saying ok, he will of course be improved, but he wasnt that highly touted last year until the Rose Bowl, so if that is your logic, then how good he will be is an open question.
Touts are more worthless than Mgopoints. Rose Bowl MVP's and Big Ten titles on the other hand... If Pryor played for Michigan, he would be instantly transformed into a "winner".
In all seriousness though, Pryor completely took over the Rose Bowl at the end, and that was impressive even for a buckeye
Ok...We all agreed that Pryor played quite well in the Rose Bowl. Yes, if he were here we would all be saying that next year would be 'his' year. Next year may very well be his year at OSU. But that doesn't mean he is cannot to be beaten in 'The Game'.
I agree.
Did you really say:
Pryor wasn't a 'highly touted QB' during his first or second years at OSU
Really? He was the #1 QB recruit in the country. I imagine there were about 2846 threads on this board about him and what decision he'd make. He was the Ryan Mallett replacement that wasn't (although I'm not bothered that he went to OSU. I don't think a guy who talks about "everyone kills people" is Michigan material). He took the starting job at OSU as a freshman...from a senior. He is the definition of highly touted.
Share what you're smoking.
Again, I said above that a highly touted recruit doesn't make him a highly touted 1st year or 2nd year QB - try to separate the recruit from the NCAA player. They are different (I put them in bold just so you could compare the concepts and try to discern the difference). Yes Tressel gave him the QB job - but that doesn't mean he was that good at the job. In fact, he wasn't - he was ok, but not great. He was just better than the other guy, who was playing poorly. And his second year he only became fairly regarded (not highly) toward the end of the season. He only became highly regarded during the Rose Bowl.
Whatever I'm smoking, it certainly gives me more clarity than you can seem to be able to muster up. Try to think before you post.
Thanks for being such a dick. I put that in type so you can read it. Wait, not just a dick, but a dick who can't understand that when you're blown up on ESPN every Saturday...you're "highly touted". You might not think he deserves the attention, but I don't think ESPN producers make their editorial decisions based on anything you think. Pryor was a highly touted recruit (whose nuts you'd be slobbering over if he had committed to Michigan)...and has been a highly touted player since snatching the QB job as a freshman.
It's sweet that you can evaluate talent at OSU and make better decisions than Tressel. Maybe should write their AD a letter and tell them that you can type in bold and analyze talent better than their coach (who, although being a total evil dick, seems to do well as a coach). You should also write into ESPN to tell them to stop talking about Pryor so much because he isn't "highly touted".
Anyway, maybe you're not smoking anything...you're just a ruh-tard.
Wow - I'm smoking something, I'm a 'ruh-tard', and I'm a dick. More quality contribution from dahblue. Not sure why I expected anything different.
Isn't a 6-5 Michigan team as likely to win as an 8-3 one vs. an undefeated #1 in the Country OSU world beater...?
Obviously I'm not basing it on hope...
It's all about beating the Buckeyes. And a bowl...I'd take 6-6 with a win over OSU.
10-2 with losses to Iowa and Wisc.
If you're not going to abide by the rules of the thread, why not just say 13-0 with the National Championship?
Why not just go 13-0 with losses to nobody then?
I would love nothing more than to see Michigan make TP cry...
Like a bitch. (on a bench)
Definitely B.
Why? Because fuck MSU and I really think that is how the season will unfold.
B, but C would be acceptable. Even A would be phenomenal.
8-3 is very different than 6-5 headed into The Game. Anything can happen, but I'm not going to be even slightly optimistic if we head into the Shoe at 6-5.
Were a lot better than this OSU team.
And no one is saying to be optimistic. (Heck, we're not even 1-0 no more 6-5 yet). Just that a Michigan team facing impossible odds with no one optimistic about their chances....? It has happened before...more than once.
C: I hate Ohio State. I'll worry about winning the Big10 in 2011.
Agreed. I can go another year without a Big Ten title but I CANNOT handle one more year of Buckeyes winning...