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You're No Indiana Comment Count

Brian November 4th, 2019 at 1:23 PM

11/2/2019 – Michigan 38, Maryland 7 – 7-2, 4-2 Big Ten

A game at Maryland is always a time for contemplation of life's mysteries. Foremost amongst them is "why are we playing Maryland?" Michigan has one of these annually now: they wander out to the Eastern Seaboard to play in a mostly-empty stadium in which Michigan fans are a clear majority. The game is either a boring blowout, like this one, or an exciting blowout with third-string FB touchdowns, like 78-0 against Rutgers.

With that lone exception these games melt away almost before they're played. Here are the things I remember about other Maryland and Rutgers games, post-Hoke. One year against Maryland they ran a lot of tunnel screens that worked and everyone freaked out about it. They played a tiny guy at QB once. Rutgers got a touchdown last year. That's it. Wait: also this year people were freaking out about Glasgow because he missed a couple tackles. That's it.

The only memories these games generate is when one of these teams puts up a boggling statistical marker of ineptitude, like that time Rutgers passed for one yard against Indiana, or is forced to put an elf in at quarterback because all previous quarterbacks have been murdered by pass rushers or escaped to Bolivia to escape said fate. They are the football equivalent of pixie sticks: a sugar rush of touchdowns that don't taste like anything.

I mean, look at Indiana. Indiana is the definition of a moribund football program but you remember things about Indiana. Antwaan Randle-El. Lee Corso fielding a lateral right before Anthony Carter scores. The pure sphincter-tightening terror of playing the Hoosiers at their jet-speed #chaosteam apex. An inexplicable run of NFL tailbacks. Their sheer cussedness to both stay in and lose every game against top-tier opponents for a solid decade. Indiana isn't good but they are interesting. They are the Steve Buscemi of the Big Ten. They are great in a supporting role and then they get put in a wood chipper.

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Indiana has personality. Indiana is a character in the rich tapestry of college football.

Rutgers and Maryland are filler. Since joining the Big Ten in 2014, the high water mark for Maryland and Rutgers was a 30-36 Maryland loss against Boston College in the Quick Lane Bowl. By the old scoring ratio rules we used way back for GopherQuest, this year's Rutgers team is on the verge of becoming the worst in conference history. They are the conference's comic relief, except when they are repeatedly abusing their players.

Michigan marks time against both of these schools every year because they get some more money from television. This era is rapidly coming to an end. In a few years it's estimated that 20% of the US population will have cut the cord, and if anything that rate is likely to go up as over-the-top providers organize themselves in a war for supremacy.

So it's a matter of when, not if, two Eastern Seaboard schools with no history in the conference and a record of absolute misery in the sport that makes the most money become a net drag on the revenues of teams like Ohio State and Michigan. It's one thing to carry Northwestern and Minnesota, and entirely another to carry the worst athletic department in the country and also Maryland.

Maybe it takes 10 years. Maybe it takes 20. But there will be a point when it makes sense to kick Delany's Folly out of the conference. Until then, a couple more of these will happen every year, gone before they're even over.

[After THE JUMP: words you've already forgotten]

AWARDS

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[Sherman]

Known Friends And Trusted Agents Of The Week

you're the man now, dog

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#1 Mike Danna/Kwity Paye/Josh Uche/Aidan Hutchinson. This is an impossible game to KFaTAotW: no offensive player with more than 65 scrimmage yards except Patterson, whose 6.8 YPA was meh. Defensive players in a similar boat. Our #1 is a hodge-podge of Michigan's defensive ends, who all chipped in. Uche had a couple sacks; Danna forced an INT and had a third-down stick; Hutchinson had a PBU and a sack; Paye was a stalwart run defender in some difficult scenarios.

#2 Josh Metellus. 9 tackles, eight of them solo and two TFLs on screen type activities. Maryland's lack of big plays was a team activity but he was a major part of that. Also had the INT, and may have had that INT even if Danna didn't turn it into a pop-up.

#3 Nico Collins. I guess? Scrimmage yards leader on ~4-5 targets because of a tough contested bomb he brought in, and he also drew yet another PI to make a Michigan TD a formality.

Honorable mention: Glasgow and Hudson were both excellent on the edge; Hudson had a PBU and a half-sack as well. Hassan Haskins, Tru Wilson, and Zach Charbonnet each had a couple runs on which they generated important yards themselves. Whole Dang OL kept Patterson clean all day. Will Hart averaged 50+ yards a punt and didn't get return yards on his face. Giles Jackson scored a return TD that was mostly the blocking but he did set up the first one really well. Michael Barrett had a pancake on the TD and converted a fake punt.

KFaTAotW Standings

NOTE: New scoring! HM: 1 point. #3: 3 points. #2: 5 points. #1: 8 points. Split winners awarded points at the sole discretion of a pygmy marmoset named Luke.

17: Josh Uche (#3 MTSU, #3 Army, T2 Rutgers, #2 Illinois, HM ND, T1 Maryland), Aidan Hutchinson(#1 Army, HM Rutgers, T1 Iowa, HM Illinois, HM ND, T1 Maryland)
14: Whole Dang OL(#2 PSU, #1 ND, HM Maryland).
13: Zach Charbonnet (#2 MTSU, #2 Army, HM PSU, HM ND, HM Maryland)
12: Cam McGrone(HM Rutgers, T3 Iowa, HM Illinois, #3 PSU, #2 ND), Nico Collins (HM Rutgers, HM Iowa, #1 PSU, #3 Maryland), Jordan Glasgow (HM MTSU, T3 Iowa, #1 Illinois, HM Maryland)
10:  Ambry Thomas (#1 MTSU, HM Rutgers, HM Illinois), Shea Patterson(HM MTSU, #1 Rutgers. HM PSU), Kwity Paye (T2 Rutgers, T1 Iowa, HM PSU, T1 Maryland)
8: Khaleke Hudson (#2 Iowa, HM Illinois, HM ND, HM Maryland)
7: Josh Metellus (HM Army, HM Iowa, #2 Maryland), Hassan Haskins (#3 Illinois, #3 ND, HM Maryland)
4: Ronnie Bell (HM Army, T3 Rutgers, HM Illinois)
3: Lavert Hill (HM Army, HM Iowa, HM ND)
2: DPJ (T3 Rutgers), Dax Hill(HM Rutgers, HM Iowa), Tru Wilson (HM ND, HM Maryland), Mike Danna (T1 Maryland), Will Hart (HM MTSU, HM Maryland).
1:  Josh Ross (HM, MTSU), Sean McKeon (HM, MTSU),Brad Hawkins (HM Army), Christian Turner (HM Rutgers), Nick Eubanks (HM Illinois), Carlo Kemp(HM ND), Brad Hawkins (HM ND), Giles Jackson (HM Maryland), Michael Barrett (HM Maryland).

Who's Got It Better Than Us(?) Of The Week

Giles Jackson sets the tone.

 

Honorable mention: The fake punt is followed immediately by the weekly Why Don't We Do This More bomb at Nico Collins. Josh Uche turns a purported OT into a projectile weapon to be thrown at the QB. Mike Danna forces a pop-up INT.

?X4OROG3KOKTIFUY4YU4SNSLDIY_thumb_thuMARCUS HALL EPIC DOUBLE BIRD OF THE WEEK.

Maryland breaks the shutout with a 97-yard kick return TD mere minutes after your author tweeted out about how awesome Chris Partridge is at special teams coordinating.

Honorable mention: That period in the second quarter where Michigan goes three and out a couple times and Maryland goes on 12-play drives. Maryland continues the recent trend of annoying late drives that push Michigan's yards ceded over… uh… 200.

OFFENSE

Back to the salt mines, sort of. Michigan was up 14-0 quickly against a team that they were expected to beat badly, so some part of the middling offensive performance was based on that. Patterson had zero keeps (his two runs were a called QB run inside the five and the hurry-up sneak), and we've seen all year how a lack of threat from the QB hampers the ground game from the gun.

Combine that with an unusually inaccurate day from Patterson, who usually trashes teams like Maryland, and you get that period mid-game when Michigan can't do much, and a blowout that didn't feel anywhere near as dominant as last week's.

It can be both. I have click-on-the-tweet-and-read-the-replies disease, and I did this with this bit of @JDue51's weekly clips:

The replies there are an all-out war between people going UGH EUBANKS and UGH SHEA when it's not 100% either guy. Eubanks can't make a tough catch behind him. Patterson threw a marginally catchable ball. Even if Eubanks catches that he's not getting the buckets of YAC he would if he's hit in stride.

This kind of throw was unfortunately common. Michigan failed to convert a third and medium when Patterson threw a hitch well upfield and outside of Tarik Black, necessitating a diving catch. This was this week's evidence that former quarterbacks cannot be trusted to talk about current quarterbacks, because Brian Griese immediately ripped Black's route and didn't mention the throw. Black was past the sticks and open. I guess he could have baked more QB margin-for-error in, but it's pretty weird to not mention that the QB was outside of the margin of error.

Former QBs cannot be trusted, part 2. Also in this department:

This was adjudged a great throw on which Collins should have gone up with two hands when it's likely that going up with two hands means he can't get a fingernail on it. This was part of a theme: in the second half the announce team talked about how the Michigan WR corps had been massively disappointing, which is flat-out insane. You've got a guy who's batting .800 on throws 30+ yards downfield.

The country needs more WRs on color commentary.

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[Sherman]

If I don't say "target Nico more" I will die, it's like Speed except with yelling about Nico Collins. What the bolded thing says. Collins drew yet another endzone PI, had a 51 yard catch on which a defensive back ripped at his arms, and also had a wide open slant on Michigan's first drive. People are terrified of him, justifiably.

Pin and pull adapts. Maryland was dead set on not letting Michigan's pin and pull outside of the tight end. It was interesting watching it adapt on the fly: the first guy pulling would still head outside but the #2 puller would read what was going on with the TE and when he was inevitably getting a kickout block he'd head inside. This was what happened on Michigan's longest run of the day:

Most of Michigan's pin and pulls ended up using Runyan and Ruiz's blocks as Maryland forced them into the interior. They were still decently effective, but Michigan didn't end up with the wide open spaces they had against Notre Dame.

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Charbonnet paid off Eubanks's block [Sherman]

Running back vision. One of the longest-running UFR subplots have been runs on which I think the back should have done something different while people in the comments say that's stupid. That's come to an abrupt end as Michigan backs have been just about maximizing their yards on a weekly basis. The number of RB minuses has plummeted this year, and when someone picks one up it's usually been for getting tackled in the open field.

I've been a little suspicious that this is more about the nature of Michigan's run game, which tends to point guys at a particular spot even if it's nominally a zone play, and that if and when things get more complicated we'll get some screw-ups. This game was a step away from that skepticism, as RBs repeatedly had to pick through interior gaps because of the above section and did well. Charbonnet's touchdown was a really nice bit of patience to set up his blocks and then burst outside, away from pursuers.

I might pick some more things up on a more detailed rewatch. If I had to bet it's going to be another week where the RBs grade out almost uniformly positive.

Never turn upfield. A play of some controversy:

I don't think that's ideal from Eubanks but I don't think it's actually that bad, either. He gets a blitz and gets caught off guard by a guy shooting inside him. He's able to get a shove in on the dude but then he's gone. Eubanks correctly doesn't chase him and instead goes downfield to see if he can find someone else to get. That LB ends up getting in an ankle tackle on Turner that brings him down. That is a hair away from a Eubanks 2 for 1 and a big play.

Anyway, never turn upfield. If a guy is gone he's gone and it's not your problem until film study.

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McCaffrey time. I'm not nearly as down on McCaffrey's portion of this game as everyone else seems to be. He nearly threw an INT when Maryland dropped a DL into his main read. That is getting a BRX in UFR but it's relatively understandable for a young QB. His other incompletions:

  • Sainristil drops a sure first down.
  • A rollout against his throwing arm sees all three routes covered; he tries McKeon because he's the least dangerously covered and a good throw gets PBU'd.
  • He throws it about 20 yards past Collins on play action. This was a two-man route that Maryland didn't bite on at all; there were two guys over the top of Collins. I'd prefer he try to back-shoulder it but I'm guessing the throw looked bad because Collins anticipated that he'd have to come back and McCaffrey didn't.

The keep that turned into a TFL wasn't really on him, either: DPJ was the arc escort on that play and did the thing where you decide to block one guy, change your mind mid-play, and then don't block either opponent. If DPJ commits to stopping and sealing the LB inside McCaffrey's probably getting a decent chunk.

DEFENSE

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Mode 2 [Sherman]

Two modes. Maryland's offense had two different ways to operate: 1) avoid involving your tackles and run inside them, and 2) do anything where your tackles are important. #1 worked out pretty well. #2 was a disaster. Since there's only so much you can do in football where your tackles don't matter—Michigan fans are well aware of this—Maryland trundled to under 200 yards of offense until the requisite Defeat With Dignity Drive at the end of the game.

But getting there didn't feel great because of Mode 1.

Mode 1 details. Maryland went on two long marches in the first half that resulted in zero points. Those long marches were almost all runs between the tackles on which Maryland was able to move Michigan DTs and squeeze through cracks in the line before the rest of the defense could rally.

This is a concern. Maryland has a couple of pretty good guards, and they got clear Ws. What previously looked like a story of redemption and development now looks a lot more like a slate of poor opponents making the DTs look okay when really they're about as good as they were against Wisconsin. Since they played Rutgers (Rutgers), Iowa (#92 in YPC), Illinois (#85), Penn State (#66), and Notre Dame (#59). Maryland is 38th and things felt a bit different despite their lack of explosive runs.

MSU and Indiana are not likely to take advantage of this; OSU… uh. At least we're regarding the OSU game as hypothetically winnable if various comets align, though! That's progress.

Mode 2 details. This guy is supposed to be 300 pounds.

Supposition: nope.

Bring back Navarre for a spring game just to see what happens. Aidan Hutchinson now leads Michigan with 5 PBUs. He'd have a sixth if Mike Danna hadn't batted down a screen before he had an opportunity to. One of these days he's going to find the ricochet and actually intercept one.

I believe in Anthony McFarland. Dude stiffarmed McGrone in the chest and got a missed tackle out of him, which is one of just a couple on the season IIRC. We haven't seen McGrone bested in a sideline-to-sideline situation until that, I don't think.

Still no Ross. Josh Ross traveled and dressed but did not play even in garbage time. If you make the travel team you're healthy enough to play; if he's healthy enough to play and not getting snaps in a 38-7 game it's probably because Michigan is going to get Ross a redshirt unless injury intervenes.

A glance towards the future. Chris Hinton nearly got a fourth down stop by firing a dude into the backfield. Freshman DTs suck and the hope is they start flashing towards the end of their first year; that's definitely a flash. If he can come on late here, Michigan's D next year looks like it'll be pretty damn good.

They lose four starters but should get the entire DL aside from Danna back, give or take a a Kemp redshirt. Jeter/Hinton/Smith should give them three shots at more functional DTs. They can plug and play Dax Hill and Ross into two of the vacated spots, and then your only worries are replacing Hudson with Barrett and whether or not Vincent Gray can take a moderate-to-large step forward.

Secondary depth is a worry. There might not be a dominant DT. Other than that…

SPECIAL TEAMS

Kickoff return comparison. We never got a good look at the Maryland KO return but this almost has to be the problem:

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28, 32, and 42 are all within  a foot of each other. That looks like a Michigan bust. This is not something I'm confident in—I have never done kick returns. But it doesn't feel like a tactical thing Maryland did, it's just a screwup Leake, who's very good, took advantage of.

I think the Michigan TD was actually a plan, what with walk-on LB Adam Shibley purposefully moving across the formation to kick out a  guy who was probably supposed to be in the lane Jackson hit. Ben Mason, Devin Gil, and especially Michael Barrett get thumping blocks to make it pay off but it kind of feels like Michigan thought they'd get the ball about where Jackson did and had a good plan to get everyone blocked.

Ack, putrid fate. Michigan did not add to their nation-leading blocked punt count when Devin Gil tipped one, because it got across the line of scrimmage and those don't get filed as blocks. This has been a persistent bugaboo with Michigan's punt block, which has had rotten luck actually paying off contact with return-to-sender blocks that get filed. I think I remember one where Hudson got in so fast he actually dove past the punter.

Still, Michigan getting a hand to a Maryland punt is a reminder why their adoption of the pro-style system on their own punts is justifiable. Also:

A gimme of a fake. Barrett got a 14 yard chunk on fourth and one as Michigan just wedged it up the middle after snapping it to him. That's Michigan's second successful fake punt on the year. Meanwhile I'm pretty sure the last one anyone's even tried against M was the one Glasgow snuffed out against OSU three years ago.

A hypothesis: the prevalence of spread punting has made punt return units lighter  and less prepped to defend a fake, so when they get a bunch of guys blocking them they are both small and unprepared.

Catching punts. Did a good job of it in a windless environment even though a lot of them were short.

MISCELLANEOUS

Hoke shrug. Michigan got to the line for a fourth and short conversion so fast that TV only came to the play after Michigan had converted. Hooray tiny punt flag for that, except for the fact that the spot on the previous play was off by a yard and change and Michigan shouldn't have had to risk it. The mental state there goes from "what are you doing" to "okay, whatever" before you can even complete the first thought.

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Best and Worst:

Worst: #Narrative

If a top-15 team did the following:

  1. Beat a P5 team by 31 points on the road.
  2. Hold them to 233 yards of total offense, about half of that coming when they were down 35-7.
  3. Limit an offense averaging 5.8 ypp to 3.4.
  4. Score on 50% of their possessions, including 5 TDs.
  5. Struggled somewhat offensively but still averaged 5.4 ypp.

the general feeling would be "good win, nothing to see here." Unfortunately, Michigan football under Harbaugh is a well-traveled lab specimen that just gets passed around so it can be examined under microscopes operated by ever more manic scientists dying to unearth some hither-to undiscovered strain of failure. To read the comments after this game both here and elsewhere, or frankly to listen to Brian Griese and Steve Levy DURING THE DAMN GAME would lead to be believe the game was constantly in doubt, that Michigan repeatedly set itself on fire, and that one can neither confirm nor deny that Jim Harbaugh is actively trying to sabotage this team (and the many backups who are clearly better than the starters) by calling all of the worst plays on both sides of the ball.

Maybe I'm being a bit hyperbolic (as always, Scott Bell has the correct take), but sometimes the line between satire and reality is paper-thin. Coming off a heart-breaking ending to the PSU game, and a triumphant ass-kicking of a rival last week, expecting Michigan to maintain that level of intensity against a Maryland team sorta playing for their lives is unreasonable. The offense absolutely looked a bit wobbly compared to the last couple of outings, and the defense had some issues early on that they were somewhat lucky to escape without Maryland putting points on the board (Maryland definitely found purchase running inside).

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Pretty much:

2. Michigan’s annual stretch of dominance in between disappointments, by Alex

Jim Harbaugh seasons have taken on similar arcs: a loss or two early, followed by an elite-looking run in some part against cupcakes, followed by Ohio State caving the whole house in.

  • 2015: loss to Utah, then nine wins in 10 games, then a 42-13 Ohio Stating
  • 2016: 9-0 start, followed by a tough loss to Iowa and then, two weeks later, the J.T. Barrett Spot game
  • 2017: 4-0 start, two losses in three games, three blowouts of Rutgers, Minnesota, and Maryland, and then a loss to Wisconsin that set up another L to Ohio State
  • 2018: tight loss to Notre Dame, 10 straight wins (including all the Big Ten East’s bad teams, but also decent Michigan State and Penn State), and then maybe the most demoralizing loss yet to Ohio State, this time as a rare road favorite

Every year’s a little different, but you get it. Michigan often puts itself into some kind of hole, then appears to work out its issues by dropkicking little guys. “Maybe they’ll be ready in time for Ohio State,” the fair but incorrect thought goes each time. This can make for a miserable time, because many Michigan fans are absolutely aware this is happening and thus aren’t able to enjoy blowout wins along the way.

Anyway, Michigan is doing that again. The 2019 Wolverines’ customary road losses to ranked teams have shot their Playoff hopes. But they then crushed Notre Dame and have now demolished Maryland in Week 10, winning 38-7 in one of those road takeovers that looked like a home game.

The Wolverines will destroy MSU and Indiana in their next two games. I’m almost as sure of that as I am of what’s going to happen to them after that.

2017 is a weak fit. The rest of it: yep.

Sap's Decals:

SPECIAL TEAMS CHAMPION – It’s not very often that the Michigan SPECIAL TEAMS gets top billing, but when they return the opening kickoff for a touchdown, execute a fake punt for a 4th down conversion, and partially block a punt (I know, they also allowed a kickoff return for a TD), that’s a BIG deal – especially when the Michigan offense did not possess the ball very much in the first half. I’ve said it before and I’l say it again – you need all three teams to be clicking if you want to win consistently. Like Keith Jackson used to say, “Special teams. Special teams. Special teams.” They matter!!

Orion Sang on the pass rush. Maize and Blue Nation:

WORST OF THE GAME
Maryland's offense is not a joke. They gashed Michigan's vaunted run D multiple times, especially on those two long first half drives I just mentioned. That was a bit worrisome, at least until Michigan stiffened at the right time to end any serious ground threat from the Terps.

All told, Michigan only gave up 129 yards on the ground...but it just felt like more I guess. During those two drives, it really seemed like Maryland could actually make this a game...much like Illinois did a few weeks ago when Michigan seemingly let up on the gas after getting a comfy lead.

Spoiler alert: Michigan did not let up and Maryland's ground threat never really materialized again throughout the remainder of the game.

Touch The Banner:

Emotional letdown. Watching as a fan, I did not take as much pleasure in this 38-7 victory as I normally would. Maybe that’s what happens after a big game against Penn State and a beatdown of Notre Dame in a night game. People talked about it potentially being a trap game for Michigan’s players, but I guess it was for me as a fan, too. Michigan played well overall, but there wasn’t a lot of juice. Other than the opening kickoff return, there weren’t many big plays. It was a solid beating, but Michigan didn’t exactly run roughshod over the Terrapins. It wasn’t death by a thousand papercuts, but it was close.

MGoFish:

Three targets, two catches. C’mon man. Nico Collins is one of the best receivers in the country and needs more targets. I don’t care how it’s done but when you have a 6’4” mismatch that’s averaging 19.95 yards per catch, you need to trust and target him more.

HSR.

Comments

Alton

November 4th, 2019 at 2:00 PM ^

If only.

Unless I am mistaken, there is no mechanism to kick teams out of the conference, except for repeated major rules violations.  They could take the WCHA (college hockey league)'s path and have the other 12 teams withdraw from the conference en masse, but even then there would be a huge mess with the TV contracts and the network to resolve.

I will never get over the addition of those schools, but unfortunately I think they are here to stay.

MaizeAndBlueWahoo

November 4th, 2019 at 2:26 PM ^

I don't think "no mechanism" is a very big hurdle.  If 12 of 14 schools want them out of the conference, then 12 of 14 schools will vote yes on rewriting the bylaws, if necessary.

I think they're here to stay too, more because kicking schools out is such a drastic step that the bureaucrats would hardly dare consider it, and even if they did they'd probably try to replace them rather than just return to 12.  The only way they leave is likely if the conference becomes even more bloated and falls apart under its own weight, sort of like the Big East and the old WAC-MWC split.

Alton

November 4th, 2019 at 2:36 PM ^

It's a big hurdle in the "breach of contract" sense.  Rutgers would obviously argue that they joined the conference in good faith as a permanent member, with the understanding that they could not be kicked out, and never would have joined if there was a possibility that they could be kicked out.

I am not a lawyer, but surely this approach would have serious anti-trust issues.  I would be afraid that the conference would end up paying Rutgers just as much to not be a member as they were paying them to be a member.

MaizeAndBlueWahoo

November 4th, 2019 at 3:01 PM ^

I doubt that would fly TBH.  One does not join an organization in the assumption that its bylaws will never change; it would be unreasonable to assume.  Rutgers would put up a stink and there may or may not be breached contracts, but they would have to show those contracts actually stated "permanent member".  I don't think the courts would look favorably on an argument that stated that joining an organization was some kind of covenant that could reasonably imply permanent memberships for all time.

Alton

November 4th, 2019 at 3:19 PM ^

I do see your point.  However...it really seems like there would be anti-trust issues here.  After all, Rutgers and Maryland have signed a "grant of rights" with the BTN, as well as with the conference.  There are explicit or at least implied contracts all over the place here.

I think our discussion is highly theoretical, because the remaining 12 members would almost certainly have no wish for the conference to turn into an organization that can kick members out so easily, and they would find it almost impossible to convince worthy schools to join that conference in the future.

 

MaizeAndBlueWahoo

November 4th, 2019 at 3:51 PM ^

Agreed, it's all academic, really.  I think the legal issues could be ironed out and taken care of if the will were there.  But it'll never be there.  I intend to bitch til the end of my days that there are two East Coast schools in our Midwest conference who are both absolute garbage at football (and one of them that way for basketball too) and have been that way for most of their history, but I don't expect the B1G to actually do anything, ever.

NittanyFan

November 4th, 2019 at 3:20 PM ^

"then there would be a huge mess with the TV contracts and BTN to resolve."  (quoting you and emphasizing the most important part)

Yeah - BTN changed the game vs 10-20 years ago.  Each school is a (roughly) 1/28 owner of a TV network that has a $1,000,000,000+ valuation.  One can do the math there: not chump change.

The SEC & ACC schools don't have any ownership of their networks.  But B1G schools do (Pac-12 too, though their network is struggling on the valuation front).

Someone may willingly leave (though I severely doubt it).  But kicking someone out will have all sorts of ramifications in terms of BTN equity, ownership, etc.

Brodie

November 5th, 2019 at 10:37 AM ^

Yes, what will more likely happen is that everyone who is still angry over it will age out of it while a new generation who don't have a preconceived "well Indiana and Northwestern are trash but they are our trash!" bias will come to the fore and the world will move on. Schools like Michigan, MSU, OSU, and Northwestern continue to take more and more kids from the northeast... UM now has as many students from the NYC area as we do from Illinois, which is crazy to contemplate if you attended the school years ago. Chicago isn't losing it's place in the hierarchy of Big Ten post-grad destinations any time soon, but there is a knock on effect wherein more and more kids go to New York and Boston and DC right away. Rutgers and Maryland will be part of the furniture, just like PSU in time. 

Kilgore Trout

November 4th, 2019 at 2:01 PM ^

I think that's probably a long way off, unfortunately. But, I think they should move to something like this. There is no reason that UM, MSU, and PSU have to bear the brunt of playing Rutgers and Maryland every year. I take some issue with who the authors of this chose as permanent rivals, but I think the concept is a must at some point. 

MGlobules

November 4th, 2019 at 2:39 PM ^

I think the rest of the conference is going to have to throw them a bone by giving them players on a rotating, coin-flip basis. Every week this coin flip takes place as soon as the Saturday game has been played and the player chosen hops on a plane for MD or NJ. You build excitement by sending opposing-team student journalists along with them and they spend the week reporting on how the player is being integrated, what they're eating, etc. But here's the kicker: if they score for their newly adopted team they have to transfer.

NittanyFan

November 4th, 2019 at 9:17 PM ^

Supposedly --- as a PSU person, that one never rang completely true to me.  I mean, PSU survived 19 years in the B1G before those 2 got invited.  It was never really an issue prior to 2012.

Some PSU fans want the ACC but the admins and people who matter know that the B1G is the best fit (not to mention the better $, of course).

Barry Alvarez was the one most often quoted as to "we had to add Maryland & Rutgers to appease PSU."  Alvarez is also one of Jim Delaney's boys, so I wouldn't be shocked if Delaney put Alvarez up to saying that to give him cover.

ijohnb

November 4th, 2019 at 1:40 PM ^

Not only did Griese proclaim that Nico should have used two hands, but I am pretty sure he identified it as a "problem" that has been occurring all season.  Huh?

TrueBlue2003

November 4th, 2019 at 1:40 PM ^

Telltale sign someone has young kids: they get things done an hour earlier the week after daylight savings takes effect. 

You can't sleep for the extra hour like you used to because the kids still get up at the same time (which becomes an hour earlier).

This morning I was like, ugh, how soon can I get them to daycare.

ijohnb

November 4th, 2019 at 1:47 PM ^

My wife was away this weekend so I had both the kids.  I have a 4 year old who goes 100% all the time regardless of if he is sick, tired, doesn't matter.  100 MPH, all the time.  Doesn't nap. 

Woke up on Sunday AM, looked at the clock and it was 3 AM and he was in the bathroom throwing up.  Stomach flu.  I said, OK, 3 AM, not ideal, but I can do this.  Looked at the cable box and it said 2 AM.  That was much less doable.  So I seriously had a non-stop 100% 4 year old from 2 AM through bedtime last night, with occasional breaks to help him throw up properly before he shoved superhero figures back in my face and said "play."  

Work could not get here soon enough today.

DelhiWolverine

November 4th, 2019 at 7:42 PM ^

On the other hand, my almost 4 yr old daughter can’t make it through a day without crashing for a nap. But if she does nap, even for 45 minutes, she will not be tired enough to go to bed and fall asleep until 10:30pm or so. It is hell. But I keep telling myself that this stage will eventually pass. Just not soon enough!

TrueBlue2003

November 4th, 2019 at 5:32 PM ^

Uh, ok, guy.

It was a light-hearted comment about Brian getting the gamer out earlier than usual. I suggest 1) not assuming anything about others parenting or the well-being of their children and 2) not concerning yourself with judging others parenting and your life (and theirs) will be so much better.

ijohnb

November 5th, 2019 at 12:00 PM ^

I don't want to get rid of my kids.  I just wanted him to stop puking on my feet.

You do that too much though, Melanin.  There are no parenting experts, you included.  It unquestionably sounds like you live a very interesting life but unsolicited parenting advice is a bad look.

ijohnb

November 4th, 2019 at 1:51 PM ^

Eh, he really wasn't.  He was the leading man, but very little of the show was really about him.  For as much screen time as he got we really did not know very much about his character, and I don't really think he conveyed that characters motivations particularly well.  It was a very good show for a while mostly because of excellent supporting characters.  I actually think Boardwalk Empire, despite being a very good show, was exhibit A as to why he is not a leading man.

Maximinus Thrax

November 4th, 2019 at 1:47 PM ^

The kicker's attempted tackle on Jackson's KO return has to be one of the worst efforts ever given in the sport of football.  That was a C'Mon Man worthy display if ever I've seen one.

S5R48S10

November 4th, 2019 at 1:48 PM ^

"Indiana is a character in the rich tapestry of college football."

Boy, this is a stretch.  Girding your loins for the game in a few weeks, I see.  

Brodie

November 5th, 2019 at 10:41 AM ^

yeah but don't you understand? God ordained we play Indiana because we did it when my grandpa was in college in 1949 whereas Maryland, in spite of being a functionally identical entity to Indiana, is bad and dumb because I'm not used to it! Also I'm clinging to the fading light of regionalism in a sport (and, in a very real way, a country) that no longer cares about it! 

Bambi

November 4th, 2019 at 1:52 PM ^

The complaining about Maryland/Rutgers stuff is just tired to me, especially when your justification is you're not even as good/fun as Indiana.

Indiana hasn't beaten us since 1988. That includes 2 shots against RR and 2 shots against Hoke's 2 worst teams, both of which were double digit losses. The first year Maryland and Rutgers were in the B1G they beat us. Now granted that was because the 2014 Michigan team stunk under Hoke. But the 2014 Michigan team beat Indiana by 24. In their first attempt, Rutgers and Maryland did something that Indiana hasn't been able to do since the 80s.

You like Indiana because they used to be chaos team? Well last year Maryland's game by game offense was a literal roller coaster when you look at Seth's plots, and they were infinitely closer to beating OSU than we were.

You like Indiana because they had Randle El? Those Randle El teams never made a bowl game. Rutgers had Ray Rice, more recently than Randle El, and won 11 games with him there in one season.

Obviously Indiana is better this year and everyone's pumped because they'll probably win 8 games. The last time that happened? 1993. The last time Rutgers won 8 games? 2014, AKA in the B1G. Maryland? 2010, AKA this decade.

There are valid reasons to not like the inclusion of Maryland or Rutgers in the B1G. Rutgers is a disaster right now, and Maryland killed a kid last year. But Indiana, NW, Purdue, Illinois and more have all been disasters in the past (and very recently). If you gave Maryland/Rutgers 100 years to find a few periods of small success in the B1G, they'd get there too.

To complain about them being in the B1G by saying they're not even Indiana is just whiny at this point. It detracts from everything else. And it also ignores the basketball/conference expansion (which is the trend for major conferences right now) aspects. Maryland and Rutgers are here to stay, get over it.

 

lhglrkwg

November 4th, 2019 at 2:06 PM ^

I hate that conference scheduling is screwed up so we could add two meh athletics departments for money. Yes, everyone is doing it. Would the Big Ten have been fine without scraping up extra cable dollars from the east coast? Yes.

I hope we'll be rid of Rutgers at least one day, but I'm not optimistic

ijohnb

November 4th, 2019 at 2:11 PM ^

He needed a narrative.  People come to this site at this time for a game review.  He had the angle that he took regarding Maryland and Rutgers or he could have said "Michigan beat a shitty Maryland team on Saturday."  At least this was something to read.

jsquigg

November 4th, 2019 at 2:19 PM ^

Indiana is more memorable.  Reading is fundamental, and Maryland and Rutgers don't belong in the Big 10 by any standards but Delaney's.

Then again, other than Michigan the whole Big Ten East is pretty deplorable morally.  I think Michigan should just go independent and see what happens.  Maintain the rivalries and schedule more interesting teams that shouldn't beat you but are more challenging.

ak47

November 4th, 2019 at 2:34 PM ^

Indiana is more memorable because its happened more, generally if your argument boils down to its happened a lot before its a bad argument. Maryland has a similar football history to MSU, including a good stretch and a random national title in modern history but too long ago to really matter and has put out a ton of NFL talent. They just had their Dantanio in Friedgen during the 2000's. Maryland also recruits better at football and has a better basketball program and history than 75% of the big ten. Its a tired act in the "everything in the past was always better if you just completely ignore the facts and romanticize it" that always comes with these discussions. Nobody gives a fuck about Indiana, or Illinois, or Purdue, football there is a reason you can get those tickets for like $20 bucks and its because playing 70 times doesn't make those teams interesting games.

Maryland was an inch away from upsetting OSU just last year, they are just as much #chaosteam as Indiana.

jsquigg

November 4th, 2019 at 2:19 PM ^

Indiana is more memorable.  Reading is fundamental, and Maryland and Rutgers don't belong in the Big 10 by any standards but Delaney's.

Then again, other than Michigan the whole Big Ten East is pretty deplorable morally.  I think Michigan should just go independent and see what happens.  Maintain the rivalries and schedule more interesting teams that shouldn't beat you but are more challenging.