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Brian September 6th, 2022 at 11:46 AM

9/3/2022 – Michigan 51, Colorado State 7 – 1-0

There's no real way around it, folks: the main talking point coming out a shellacking of a very bad team is who did what at quarterback. I extend a grumble towards the AP for framing a not quite generic enough press conference answer from Cade McNamara like so:

McNamara unhappy after No. 8 Michigan beats Colorado St 51-7

One grumble, extended.

But also I, like everyone else, was extending grumbles when Michigan's offense did not seem like a well-oiled death machine. Instead it was more or less last year: hiccups, moving the ball between the twenties, red zone difficulties. This is not my beautiful house. McNamara started out the season by not doing the things he's supposed to do better than his competition, like complete basic passes to move the sticks.

Three of his throws on the first couple drives were inaccurate. Maybe more alarming is that McNamara did not attempt anything down the field. We're not talking bombs. A seam, a post, a dig, a deep out: these did not happen. This was in part because CSU is running some DJ Durkin stuff with a safety playing in the parking lot, but this was an audition. You don't get the part by mumbling in the background.

Similarly, if McNamara's going to stay in front because he's reading things better that did not show up either. The throw to Erick All that was nearly intercepted probably would have been complete if All hadn't stumbled, but that was a TE angle on third and ten that's getting tackled short of the sticks unless All does something heroic. Meanwhile Roman Wilson is going to be wide open on a corner route to the field:

That play even looks like it's supposed to be ooh shiny for that cornerback to the bottom as he gets Donovan Edwards motioning to him, but McNamara made a pre-snap decision to look left and take a six yard pass on third and ten.

Turn a 61-yard screen pass into a more typical 8-yard one and McNamara averaged 4.6 yards an attempt while completing half his passes. One Bell drop aside this could not be placed on his receiving corps. The operative theory for how McNamara stays in front of the other guy with the cannon arm and Corum speed is that he is a relentless metronome of efficiency. If he's not, it's JJ McCarthy's job to lose.

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McCarthy did nothing to lose it during his second half cameo. It was remarkable how much easier everything suddenly felt. One power play with two DL charging at McCarthy and one wide open arc read keeper, touchdown. The entire stadium goes "hmm," except for the various McCarthy Yahoos in the stands who have been calling for him since McNamara's first incompletion. They are looking around, big-boned and fey, daring anyone to dispute their righteous quest to bench the starter.

Kick a successful McCarthy-era RB run and you'll find a Ram looking up McCarthy well after that is a reasonable thing to do. McCarthy didn't tear it up in the air. He did calmly hit a seven yard out to the field on third and five. He looked calm and collected and generally on par with McNamara when it came to the metronome stuff.

The days here are so early that we can't say much of anything for sure, but if they're at all close when it comes to the basics it's going to be impossible to keep McCarthy off the field.

AWARDS

Known Friends and Trusted Agents Of The Week

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CONSUME [Patrick Barron]

you're the man now, dog-2535ac8789d1b499[1]

#1 Mazi Smith. Michigan went out of its way to make this section impossible to determine via box score alone. Seven sacks split between ten players; eighteen catches split between fifteen receivers. The defense rotated incessantly, and the starting QB was kind of meh.

I'm pretty sure Smith is going to come out with a big UFR score, though, because he was crushing back whoever he faced. He picked up 1.5 TFLs and half a sack, and three solo tackles is a meaningful stat for a nose. On a third and six in the second half when Michigan sent an exotic blitz, Smith was tasked with holding an edge and two CSU OL, clearly terrified of him, stuck with him the whole play.

So far so good for massive projections.

#2 Blake Corum. Got more than two offensive touches and hurdled a fool so here he is.

#3 Junior Colson. Also a beneficiary of actually getting a bunch of time. Ten tackles, many of them at or near the line of scrimmage, and as of yet no moments that pop out as him running fast in the incorrect direction.

Honorable mention: uhhhhh… Braiden McGregor, Eyabi Anoma, Derrick Moore and Jaylen Harrell all took turns turning in eye-opening edge rushes that may or may not mean anything. Rod Moore caught the ball thrown at him, very nice. Ronnie Bell had a nice catch and was the key block on the Roman Wilson TD; meanwhile Wilson is fast.

KFaTAotW Standings.

(points: #1: 8, #2: 5, #3: 3, HMs one each. Ties result in somewhat arbitrary assignments.)

8: Mazi Smith (#1 CSU)
5: Blake Corum (#2 CSU)
3: Junior Colson (#3 CSU)
1: Braiden McGregor (HM CSU), Eyabi Anoma (HM CSU), Derrick Moore (HM CSU), Jaylen Harrell (HM CSU), Rod Moore (HM CSU), Ronnie Bell (HM CSU), Roman Wilson (HM CSU)

Who's Got It Better Than Us(?) Of The Week

JJ McCarthy enters and immediately crumples the CSU run defense, first by drawing two guys when he's a decoy and then by scoring an easy TD on an arc read. Hits different.

Honorable mention: Any of seven different sacks. McGregor flushes the QB up in the pocket and Rod Moore takes advantage. Ronnie Bell's first catch matches up with a fortuitously timed review to allow Michigan Stadium time to offer their appreciation.

image​MARCUS HALL EPIC DOUBLE BIRD OF THE WEEK.

McNamara throws behind a Cornelius Johnson drag route with a good shot at a touchdown and Michigan ends up kicking a field goal, giving off vibes that McNamara is pretty much what he was last year.

Honorable mention: Various commercial breaks. Erick All stumbles and CSU nearly gets a pick. Will Johnson gets beat on a fly route for the CSU TD.

[After THE JUMP: edges out the ears?]

OFFENSE

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[Barron]

On the running quarterback. There's been some discussion on the wonkier parts of Michigan football twitter about whether a quarterback who runs a lot is even a thing anymore, really. It's true that there's been a shift away from the Tebow/Denard types who are runners first and foremost. OSU has gone from a team with run-first QBs to pass-first QBs to guys who are almost entirely pocket passers. CJ Stroud rushed for –20 yards last year.

But if you've got the guy who can throw and he also brings another element that is a major boost to even the most talented offense. OSU didn't have to run Justin Fields but he ended up with ~500 yards on 60 non-sack carries during his final, abbreviated year in Columbus. Adding 8.3 YPC on 7-8 carries a game is a significant chunk of efficiency in and of itself without even considering the impact that 11 v 11 run game has on the rest of your offense's efficiency.

A 2011-era QB with rudimentary passing ability isn't going to get it done a decade later, but if you've got the guy who gives you both it remains a huge advantage.

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mountain goat [Patrick Barron]

Welcome back. Ronnie Bell caught a pass, sure. The above was the most Ronnie Bell thing executed on Saturday. Putting his guy in the sideline was the difference between the touchdown Roman Wilson collected and a nice gain of 10-15 yards. One lost step for Wilson is all CSU would have needed to close down the angle.

Very odd portion of the game. Michigan's grinding all-runs touchdown drive was made possible in part because CSU was reacting to McNamara like he was McCarthy. The easy Corum chunk to set up first and goal saw a DE fly way upfield of the split zone blocker and a linebacker hold outside in case the QB survived the DE:

topmost CSU DE and LB

A version of this happened on the previous two plays for reasons that are obscure. This is also unhelpful to McNamara because the chunk of the game where Michigan ran the best with him on the field was also a demonstration of how a QB you have to account for opens things up. Even if the guy you have to account for wasn't on the field.

Bumps. The offensive line did not perform up to expectations, in part because Ryan Hayes was held out. (Harbaugh said that he would be back for Hawaii.) That saw Karsen Barnhart enter at left tackle, and then a few snaps where Gio El-Hadi played guard and Keegan kicked out to left tackle when Barnhart was dinged. That'll hamper your performance. Barnhart is out again next week:

On how Karsen Barnhart is doing after leaving the Colorado State game injured:

He's got a sprained ankle. And yeah, probably not gonna be available this week. But he played really good.

As always with OL you really have to wait until UFR to make any definitive pronouncements. Trente Jones had an up and down day. On the one hand, he is apparently able to pull from right tackle.

On the other he got torched on two pass rushes, giving up a clothesline sack on McNamara. After Jon Runyan Jr I never make any OL proclamations until the player in question has retired from football. We'll see how it develops.

Short yardage back: unknown. Michigan's only short yardage play of the day was a fourth-and-one tempo sneak, so your guess is as good as mine. We did see the Cat Orji a couple times; Orji got stuffed on second and five and then scored Michigan's last touchdown. That might be your answer if Mullings is needed on defense and they apparently don't rate Dunlap.

Could work, especially if JJ gets the job and the Cat Orji is just a bunch of stuff Michigan is already repping a bunch.

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[Barron]

Ok but not like that. "Donovan Edwards should try to make guys miss" was our offseason TL;DR on him, and yes he should. Just not on third and five when he has picked up five yards. That's how you pick up four yards on third and five.

RPS enjoyment. I liked this variation on arc read:

Instead of trying to block a guy you run a route and the guy blocks himself. Not something new, but it certainly seems like the McCarthy run package has a significant amount of depth.

DEFENSE

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graaargble bargle [Barron]

Too good to be true? The bulk of the offseason fretting was about whether Michigan would get any pressure. It would have been a real bad sign if Colorado State's QB was permitted to sit in the pocket and survey; instead he was under siege to the tune of seven sacks and plenty more hits.

Some of the pressure is stuff we anticipated preseason. Mazi Smith crushed guys backwards, and Jesse Minter dialed up some unusual blitzes. That was within the realm of expectation. Four different weakside ends turning in +2 UFR pass rushes—and Braiden McGregor getting three—was not. I think I'm in pump-the-brakes mode, though. When seemingly everyone Michigan runs out at WDE is knocking CSU tackles over like they're weeble-wobbles that might say more about the opposition than Michigan's edge guys. Should Jaylen Harrell be knocking over a 325 pound guy with one arm?

That guy is big and experienced, but last year he was a guard for FIU. Since Harrell hasn't even flashed something like that before I'm reserving judgment… possibly for a month.

FWIW, Harrell did get around the left tackle (a redshirt sophomore in his first start, so who knows) reasonably quickly a couple times. Possible he's made a leap.

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git em [Bryan Fuller]

All that said. That performance does alter expectations. McGregor's INT-forcing flush was opposite Taylor Upshaw, who the season preview noted was a guy who gets around at nine or ten. McGregor gets around at eight:

both DEs

McGregor's successful rip-through lets him bend around the corner and that's a forced fumble a decent chunk of the time. Later he came back with a rip inside:

Bad RT and all that but prioritize vibes: that looks like something that's going to work on much better OL. McGregor rips the arms down and swims through that guy in a flash.

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somehow this is a freshman [Bryan Fuller]

We knew they were listing Derrick Moore at 279 but seeing him in person is remarkable. To say he doesn't look like a freshman doesn't quite cover it. He is in the Taco Charlton first-off-the-bus mode. And he flashed more than just the speed rush that was purportedly his only move; his best rush in this game was a speed-to-power moment where he flung the LT backwards and won inside.

Anoma looked big and fast and much more impressive than the guy who was a bit player in UT-Martin's playoff games last year. Unfortunately, his sack was greatly aided by the RT having the wrong snap count. He did turn in a couple of good moments in the fourth quarter, with a rush around the corner that was close to a sack and then driving a guard into the QB's lap on the Johnson TD allowed.

Depth chart clarity. The DL rotation cleared up a lot of confusion about who's where. I'm going to stick with 4-3 nomenclature since that was the vast bulk of the deployment:

  • ANCHOR: Morris, Upshaw, Welschof
  • WDE: Harrell, Anoma OR McGregor OR Moore

I don't think we saw a passing-down package with two of the rush edges but you have to figure that's coming as soon as they have enough faith that's not going to result in massive scramble lanes.

Also helpful in sacking the QB: weird stuff. Michigan threw a lot of looks at CSU and displayed a propensity for late checks after the opposition set their protections:

CSU's QB was frequently forced to come off his first read because Michigan dropped someone unexpectedly. This is all slants and the QB has nowhere to go because Upshaw backs off into a short zone underneath the primary read:

Like the pass rush this is something we have reserve judgment on until such time as Michigan plays a reasonably competent QB. Which is Taulia Tagovailoa, I guess?

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[Barron]

File away for later. At the beginning of the second half CSU got a first down and went tempo, snapping the ball at 30 seconds. Michigan was lined up and not looking at the sideline; also they did not run a vanilla defense but had Will Johnson blitz from the boundary and Makari Paige from safety. CSU's off tackle run gained two yards.

Michigan wasn't quite lined up on the next snap, which was also tempo, but Sainristil was able to beat a block on a WR screen and get it down for a similarly minimal gain. I'll take one clear win and one sort of dubious but ok event over last year. Harbaugh on Minter:

On his first impressions of Jesse Minter:

Really good. I mean, the headsets were clean, smooth. The operations were clean, smooth in all three phases. Thought it was really good. He's a calm, cool, collected guy. And just the whole operation, signaling, communication was A-plus-plus, from what I saw

Minter's been around the block in college so hopefully we see a meaningful improvement against College Crappe.

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eep [Barron]

Welcome to college football, Will Johnson. Hotshot freshman corner Will Johnson got attacked over the top twice and got out of phase twice. On the first he was able to make a last ditch swat at the ball and contribute to an incompletion; on the second Colorado State scored their only touchdown.

Drag issues. Michigan's only consistent issue in this game was getting beat on drag routes for chunks despite playing zones that should be good against them. Moten and Sainristil appeared to get sucked out of position by other routes and gave up leverage.

SPECIAL TEAMS

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[Barron]

Guy finds role. Eamonn Dennis was a punt gunner and managed two tackles on two returnable punts against a tricky slot guy. Harbaugh said he'd be special teams player of the week, which sounds like it will be good for morale.

Specialists are specialists. Perfect impeccable gentlemen.

The Henning thing was fine. CSU touched the punt but did not down it. At that point it's a freebie for the returner. If he touches it and gets obliterated and turns the ball over it just goes back to the spot where the punting team touched it. If he picks it up and runs for a touchdown he gets a touchdown.

Mr. Rugby Guy has some hideous luck. I don't think I've ever seen three consecutive line-drive rugby punts check up immediately upon hitting the ground. That could easily have robbed CSU of 50 yards of field position. Not sure there was anything Henning could done about those hypothetical rolls, since we're eyeing him owlishly until such time as he establishes himself as a person who does the right thing on punt returns all the time.

MISCELLANEOUS

Now there's a guy with a hat. Chairs now have hat guy:

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[Barron]

I'm sure we'll find out what's the deal with this guy at some point. He's got a hat.

Polish. Michigan was hit with one penalty in this game, a holding call deep into the second half. The offense got to the line promptly. Michigan spent no timeouts on organizational issues. I compulsively check the playclock when Michigan gets a check from the sideline, and if there was a snap that even approached a delay of game I don't remember one. This was an exceptionally un-frustrating opener.

Iowa facts! A 7-3 win for the Hawkeyes but not, you know, the usual way to win 7-3:

The Big Test in week five now doesn't seem like that big of a test. Iowa has two scholarship receivers and lost Tyler Lindenbaum and Tyler Goodson. But they do have Spencer Petras back, so they've got that…

Nevermind.

HERE

Best And Worst:

Rest assured I’ll give a (moderate) amount of oxygen to the (couple) of sports talk HAWT TAKES that have emerged from this game, but I really want to remind all UM fans how they felt this time last year.  This was the vibe on this very site heading into the season, which had a hint of optimism (read the “I’ve got 2006 feelings around this team rallying with the talent”) but mostly floated around 7-8 wins and the fear that Harbaugh’s odometer was reading “irrelevant” and Michigan was along for the ride.  While Harbaugh’s tenure at UM hadn’t come close to approaching that of other fallen golden sons like, say, Scott Frost, there was still a concern that he had settled into “pretty good”, the zone UM has largely occupied for the past 30+ years.  Not really a contender for the conference title or playoff bids, though still better than all but a dozen or so college football teams.

State of our Open Threads:

As for yesterday, the thread was dominated by the "Cade" and "JJ" talk - 247 mentions to 138 mentions. Now, we know what Jim said, and of course, being astute fans, we went ahead and provided our thoughts on who should start all the same.

Various GIFs from the game featuring hell yes:

What would have happened if the twelve-team playoff was in place for the duration of the Harbaugh era

BYTCOM

BYTCOM:

It is time to enjoy football again by embracing the Northwestern Football Lifestyle: strive every year to make the Oh No We Commited to the Cartoon Ape NFT Naming Rights For Five Years in 2021 Bowl and also to make an opponents' fans extremely angry for losing to you.

Comments

DTOW

September 6th, 2022 at 3:55 PM ^

This is correct.  Its called "first touching" by the punting team.  If they touch the ball first (but never possess it) the receiving team is the only team that can benefit because they get the choice to take the result of the play or go back to where the first touching took place.

So for example: Punting team sends it, gunner is running down and slaps the ball on the ground at the 20 yard line but never gains control over it.  Punt returner picks it up and runs and fumbles at the opposite 35 yard line with the kicking team recovering.  Return team is given possession of the ball at the 20 yard line where first touching occurred. 

The gist of it is simple.  The kicking team can have no advantage after first touching takes place.

AlbanyBlue

September 6th, 2022 at 2:58 PM ^

An excellent writeup, as always...thanks for this.

First off, I tip my cap to Cade for 2021. He was an excellent leader of a team that won a conference championship, beat its main rival, and appeared in the CFP for the first time. A thousand thanks to Cade for 2021.

But it's 2022. On Saturday, Cade appeared to me to be nervous and tight, and that speaks to the competition getting to him. He missed easy throws -- he did make some good ones later on however -- and he missed open targets. He didn't take free yards with his feet when they were there (at least twice that I saw). He expressed frustration to Erick All, presumably for stumbling and not catching a throw put into at least triple coverage and short of the line to gain. After the game, he said some dumb things to the media. These are not characteristics of a returning veteran QB ready to lead his squad back to the CFP.

Now, could it have been a bad day? Sure, and I assume that cade will get more chances to prove himself. But damn, JJ looked a heckuva lot better. Let's see how he does knowing he's the starter for game 2 -- we all know there's pressure that goes with that. However the QB battle plays out, I hope they both stay around. It may not be the best for them, but it would be the best for the team. My gut says JJ starts a while, probably gets dinged up, and then Cade needs to stay ready to perform.

Oh, and we might have something with this defense. Sweet. 

Go Blue Beat T…

September 6th, 2022 at 3:22 PM ^

DGS “read, feet, throw” 1-3 scoring system for QB passing downs for UFR consistency? 
seems like footwork plays a tremendous role that we might overlook 

 

what a hell of a team though. this D was so fun to watch. “Crisp” is gonna be the JJ shirt. Maybe him flying on a wheat thin through the air like green goblin? Tossin bombs?? It’s not that he made it look effortless…it’s that he’s separated himself from “amateur” level to “expert;” the difference being that the amateur practices enough to get it right, and the expert so much that he can never get it wrong. I think foot work and throw mechanics would explain the difference in why Cade is still nerfing balls to the ground and JJs out route that should be a pick six just keeps soaring and turns into a big gain. Check the tape!  It’s not nerves. Or innate ability. It’s perfect practice making perfect. 

jpo

September 6th, 2022 at 4:07 PM ^

Some observations:

  • Most of our memorable plays last year came from the backfield. The one really memorable throw Cade made last year was to CJ in the OSU game. (McCarthy’s was to Baldwin.) Take the flea flickers out of the mix and I thought Cade’s play was pretty pedestrian.
  • Go back and look at his game-by-game stats, which back up that judgment. By far his best game was against MSU. But as (I think it was Seth) pointed out: look at what Aiden O’Connell did the next week, MSU had maybe the worst secondary we faced last year.
  • The Nebraska and Rutgers(!) games would not have been the nailbiters they were if we had had competent QB play.
  • Cade was ranked 24th in the country last year in QB rating. Not awful, but not great. This is lower than either Speight in 2016 or Patterson in 2018 (but ahead of 2019 Shea), not exactly two figures for whom we fans have a lot of enthusiasm. He’s probably closer to early season Rudock than later season.
  • Cade’s ceiling is probably last year’s Wisconsin game, and that was perfectly fine. But the only other time he got close to that was MD. And he was wretched in the Washington game.
  • UFR all year demonstrated how he was compromising the running attack.

There are, of course, intangibles. He may have improved, and he may have leadership qualities that don’t translate well to measurables. The fact his teammates selected him captain tells me something. I always defer to the coaches, because they see a lot more than I do. But both on the eye-test and on any kind of deep dive on UFR or the data, what we saw Saturday was not an outlying event for Cade. I believe that the OSU win and B1G championship have (understandably) clouded our judgment about his actual play.

Finally, the press conference: not a great look, but he can often be prickly in interviews. Remember last year when, in a post-game interview, he opined that previous UM teams would have collapsed? I thought that wasn’t a great look either. Might have been true, but you don’t say it. His edginess (if that’s the case) might not look good to the public, but maybe endears him to his teammates. I couldn’t say.

I always hate weighing in on particular players because they’re freaking kids who are playing in front of 100,000 people. And playing QB is damn hard. I doubt many of us who post here can either understand or endure the kind of scrutiny and criticism they have to deal with. I’m content to let the coaches sort this out, but Cade defenders should at least look at performance with clear eyes.

M-Dog

September 6th, 2022 at 4:35 PM ^

It is shaping up to be JJ's job to lose.  But that doesn't mean he can't lose it.

We still have not seen how JJ has addressed his biggest weaknesses under duress . . . locking on a single receiver, and throwing the ball with no touch.

And we won't get to see it this weekend against overmatched Hawaii.  Probably won't get to see anything worth seeing until Maryland at the earliest.

So if Harbaugh is relying on gameday action to pick a starting QB, he's going to have to wait until October.  Otherwise he's going to have to do it the old fashioned way and do it off of practice results.   

jimmyjoeharbaugh

September 6th, 2022 at 5:24 PM ^

Agree with everyone everywhere on the QB situation, but I feel like we're all dismissing the possibility that jj comes out and has a very pedestrian performance vs Hawaii...or even shits the bed 

MaynardST

September 6th, 2022 at 5:33 PM ^

I keep bringing this up, but how did Tom Brady react when faced with a similar challenge from a superior athlete?  How did it work out for him in the long run?  Cade is no Tom Brady, so maybe he won't be picked as high as no. 199 in the sixth round of the draft.

Koop

September 7th, 2022 at 11:00 AM ^

In fact, the way Tom Brady reacted to it, at first, was seriously to entertain a transfer offer from USC, at a time when transferring would mean sitting out a year. If that had happened in 2022, Tom could have been long gone in summer and starting in L.A. for game 1.

We all know what happened next, of course. And it wouldn't surprise me if Cade has had discussions directly with Tom about it. My hope is that Cade's coaches have made the case to him that sticking around and competing will not only make him better in the long run, but will actually make him a better NFL prospect. Grit and determination still matter in the NFL--just ask ... well, Tom Brady.

There's no rule that says that a school can't have two QB's reach the NFL from the same team. Brady and Henson did it, sort of (if Henson hadn't dallied with baseball). Before that, Griese and Dreisbach did it, too. Often forgotten, but Scott Dreisbach was neck-and-neck with Griese for the starting job in '97, backed up Griese through the natty, and then fought through the undrafted process to win a job with the Raiders. Bad luck and injuries kept him off the field, but the Raiders took him because of his tenacity and fight. Of course, the body of work is that one QB gets the glory and the better draft prospects; and while Clemson and Bama have both won championships recently with two QBs, the trend has been for the second QB to transfer to improve their playing time. But there's no rule, and fair precedent to contrary, saying that the second QB can't go pro.

TL;DR--I like the Brady-Henson analogy, but I can understand Cade believing, with reason, that the world has changed and his prospects could be better elsewhere if JJ is named the starter.

Solecismic

September 6th, 2022 at 7:49 PM ^

Things have changed a lot. It's hard to imagine both being in Michigan uniforms next season. No longer does "primary backup" mean a lot to a quarterback.

It could mean millions of dollars.

Back in 2000, the #8 QB in the high school rankings chose USC, which was Quarterback U back then. His stats at USC:

20-33-192-0-1

That's over four years, not one game. Carson Palmer started most of those games, then Matt Leinart.

Matt Cassel ended up drafted by New England in the seventh round. Eventually, through a few seasons with the Patriots (including being the primary backup when Brady suffered his one significant injury), then Kansas City, Minnesota, Buffalo, Dallas, Tennessee and finally Detroit, he cobbled together 100 games played, 37 wins and 14 seasons of NFL experience.

A very good career for a backup, but every player dreams of more and if you tell the Cassel story to a guy like McNamara, why wouldn't he, with transfers free and clear, want as much college experience as possible.

Certainly, enormous pressure on McNamara last Saturday. Now he could end up Wally Pipped. It's no wonder he struggled. I hope he gets another shot here, but, on the other hand, maybe I hope he doesn't. Either way, Michigan is set up great for this season, but with those high-profile recruiting battles lost, the future is a bit unnerving.

jsquigg

September 6th, 2022 at 9:54 PM ^

Am I crazy that I feel like the sports media has an Ohio State bias? They looked like dog shit offensively compared to last year but now they're "tough." Meanwhile, Cade is portrayed as a malcontent to foster a QB controversy narrative. 

Puget Sound Blue

September 6th, 2022 at 10:19 PM ^

I'll admit to having mixed feelings about this whole conundrum.

Like every other Michigan fan, I want the team to win. I understand that competition at this level is very keen and you want to start your best players. I also understand that J.J. has amazing potential and brings something to the table that, right now at least, Cade doesn't appear to have.

But I also want Michigan to win the right way. Part of that means doing right by your players. Cade's a team captain and led the team to a win over Ohio State, a Big Ten championship, and a playoff appearance. We can debate how much Cade mattered to that, but at the end of the day, he was the starter and J.J. wasn't. I think that ought to really count for something, and I'm also not sure how much a couple of games against vastly overmatched opponents will tell us.

But I'm just some guy on the internet who watches football who is by no means an expert on the game, so maybe there's something here that I'm missing.

outsidethebox

September 6th, 2022 at 11:01 PM ^

It's interscholastic sports...sort of a "right to play" endeavor. And at this level of play one of the coach's most important tasks is to have the best players play. This can be a bit complicated as, here, the players are rather young and their skillsets are still developing. Things happen and it is appropriate that this is a meritocracy. All "men" are not created equally. Repeat-this is critical: One of the coach's most important tasks is to have the best players play...and this cannot be overstated...for the sake of the individuals and the team.

Folks on the outside may disagree with this but from the inside this is how it has to be. 

 

Go Blue Beat T…

September 7th, 2022 at 2:25 AM ^

On balancing his embracing of contact versus sliding or getting out of bounds on runs:

That's something I've been having to work on because I'm a hockey player in my background. So I love the contact. I mean, it's coming down to the point where I'm selfish when I just go out there and try to get hit and all that, because I got the team on my back and I got to be healthy for them. “


Were we all aware of this fact??

Double-D

September 7th, 2022 at 8:01 AM ^

I went back a rewatched the game. Cade played better than he is getting credit for but still needs to play better.

Trente Jones otoh…yikes.  We need improvement or Karson back asap. That was a disaster.  

funkifyfl

September 7th, 2022 at 10:10 AM ^

Quick Q. Can someone explain the quote below to me. I've never heard about ends getting around at 8, 9, or 10, and it's not obvious to me what that could mean. TIA.

McGregor's INT-forcing flush was opposite Taylor Upshaw, who the season preview noted was a guy who gets around at nine or ten. McGregor gets around at eight:

Blue In NC

September 7th, 2022 at 3:34 PM ^

It's basically a guideline for how quickly/closely to the line of scrimmage that your DE can beat the tackle on the outside and get to the QB.  If the DE has to go too deep in the backfield (e.g. 10 yds) then it is slower and opens up big rush lanes for the QB to escape (between the DE and DT).  If your DE can get around by 8 yards deep, then it's quicker and does not open up the QB scramble lanes.  The dangerous DEs can "bend around" by 8 yards and the average DEs take 10 (as a rough guideline).