This Week’s Obsession: Stumbling Blocks Comment Count

Seth

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[Bryan Fuller]

The Question:

Biggest risk of not reaching The Game undefeated? Can be opponent or team issue

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The Responses:

Seth: My answers are low-score entropy, and the general bloodimindedness of the Big Ten universe. When Stribling fell down those who don't remember Bo-era losses must've thought "well that's what happens when you let a worse team off the hook." Those of us who do thought "Oh no, not again."

Randomness is the enemy of all favorites. When you're an offensive juggernaut with an okay defense, you worry about an injury to your dervish quarterback, conditions that take away something the defense couldn't, and staying on pace. When you're a defensive juggernaut with an okay offense, you worry about the one play.

We were given a treatment for the latter against Wisconsin. When facing a real defense, Michigan's just-okay offense will get bogged down. Michigan can mitigate the inability to kick a 40-yarder with better 4th down strategy, but this feeds the chaos engine.

Iowa brought back most of a great defense and could put it back together at night in Kinnick. Dantonio State will always play its best against Michigan. Indiana is probably better than either of those two and would be utterly terrifying if their chaos seed was just that rather than a curse. And out there on the Big Ten seas lurk the John O'Neill officiating crew, sworn enemies oddsmakers, favorites and ever calling holding unless it didn't happen, and capable of shifting an expected score by 28 points on the regular. When the deck is stacked in your favor, chaos is the enemy

[After THE JUMP: Respekt is earned.]

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Late-season Speight needs to arrive before the potentially season-ruining road matches. [photo: Fuller]

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Ace: My biggest concern at this point is Wilton Speight having a turnover-heavy game, especially if the offensive line starts allowing more pressure to get through after Grant Newsome’s injury. Mason Cole moving to left tackle is on the table at this point, and while that’d shore up that spot, it could cause issues with communication on the line—and Michigan has already allowed some instant pressures by blowing blitz pickups. In large part for that reason, I’m hoping Juwann Bushell-Beatty is the answer at LT for the rest of the year.

It’s more about Speight, though. While he only has the two interceptions on the season, he could easily have a few more, and in the last few games he’s had issues with accuracy, decision-making, or both. His knack for extending plays while under pressure has been almost entirely a positive, but it’s also something that could get him into trouble, too. I’m not expecting him to throw away a game—I too saw Jake Rudock’s improvement last year, after all—but it’s also hard to rule it out as a possibility after the last few weeks.

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Adam: I've been looking through Michigan's remaining opponents and their S&P+ rankings in different categories (rushing, passing, etc.) on both sides of the ball, and there isn't a team left that I think has a distinct advantage over Michigan in any one area until M rolls into Columbus. At this point, the thing that worries me the most about Michigan not reaching that game with everything on the line (other than having everything on the line always) is depth at corner.

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Brandon Watson has been shaky thus far. And thus far the freshmen haven’t passed him. [photo: Eric Upchurch]

With Jeremy Clark done for the year, Michigan looks to be one injury away from having an exploitable pass defense. Jourdan Lewis and Channing Stribling were both excellent against Wisconsin; Wisconsin naturally went away from the reigning All-American time after time and found that Stribling could play like one, too. If one of those two were to miss extended time, that puts Brandon Watson in their place. Or David Long. Or Lavert Hill. Or...I don't know, Tyree Kinnel?

Those are guys who have fared relatively well in limited playing time, but they've seen fewer snaps as the level of competition has increased for a reason. Playing man coverage all the time is hard (just look at the safeties), and it's even harder to play press on almost every snap. If one of the aforementioned defensive backs is forced into extended playing time he'll have to learn on the fly, and while he's learning there might as well be a blinking neon "open 24 hrs" sign over his head until proven otherwise.

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David: Well, as great as the season has gone so far, there are some issues that could still arise. We've talked about Speight and the offensive line, especially after the awful injury to Newsome. JBB? I guess we'll see. Allen has been erratic, despite being robust on punts and kickoffs.

But other problems solved themselves. The linebacking has become a strength. The competition has dropped of a lot more than previously assumed. Bad things can happen to anybody, including the opponents.

I guess what worries me the most goes back to the UCF game: Getting Outhit.

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Brian: It's still Michigan State. You know Dantonio will come into that game with an entirely different playbook. It shouldn't matter since MSU is currently rotating Kodi Kieler through every line spot in an effort to find a combination of OL with a greater tensile strength than a wet piece of paper and Michigan has two defensive lines that would be amongst the best in the conference. It still might, because it's not like MSU has anything else to do this season.

It's not too hard to see Michigan's rickety offense bogging down against a good defense, and MSU's is still good as long as McDowell is available, and then you can get into the usual turnover and special team disasters that lead to upsets. Michigan's had a ton of the latter this year.

Comments

dragonchild

October 5th, 2016 at 11:12 AM ^

Arsonist in a fireman's uniform.  No integrity, no humility, no professionalism, no competence, and somehow I get the feeling fans pay for his ill-deserved income.

Seriously, whose compromising pictures does he have stockpiled that he can continue in perhaps the one career he's LEAST equipped to do?  He ought to be writing children's books for all his ability to think creatively and at a very low level.

ska4punkkid

October 5th, 2016 at 11:23 AM ^

They were answering the question, which was "Biggest risk of not reaching The Game undefeated? Can be opponent or team issue"

It's not like they are all gunna line up and type "nothing - we are the best" and post this on the main page. 

WestSider

October 5th, 2016 at 12:36 PM ^

I share the fear of losing more players to injury. However, this is a talented squad that is hungry and well coached. I love our chances of reaching the toilet bowl undefeated. It will take a monster effort, devilish strategy, and a laser focus to beat the buckeyes. I believe it will happen

Reader71

October 5th, 2016 at 11:26 AM ^

I'd be more comfortable with Cole at LT and Kugler at C than with JBB. Sure, you never want to shake up the C/QB exchange and you would have a new starter making line calls, but I just don't like JBB at this point in time.

Khaki_Nation

October 5th, 2016 at 11:37 AM ^

I dont even necessarily agree with you, but I am just (relatively) glad(?) about the timing of Newsome's injury: Rutgers, Bye, Illinois gives us time to figure it out, and I have full faith in Drevno to do the best with his resources.

The same idea, more or less, applies to the Clark injury. Obviously I dont think any of the other options (Watson, Long, Kinnel) will be as good as Clark, this season, but I'm glad we get to take some time to practice (actual practice, and play against poor teams) before the schedule picks back up.

M Ascending

October 5th, 2016 at 1:24 PM ^

I disagree. I think having Cole at center has had a unifying effect on the line and has also contributed to the marked improvement shown by Kalis. JBB had played less than one game and did relatively well. One would expect him to only get better with more PT. If he doesn't, then I would consider a switch.

dragonchild

October 5th, 2016 at 1:49 PM ^

I eyed him closely when he went in and he did OK.  I didn't watch him the whole game but it didn't seem like the line performed any worse.

Here's the thing; everyone was talking about Year 2 Anno Drevno as if only the starters would benefit, while the 2nd string remained a bunch of hot trash.  JBB may not be as good as Newsome but he's been coached up by Drevno just as long as the starters.  I think the biggest difference isn't the O-line's ceiling, but its floor.  We just haven't been witness to that because the only times we saw the backups were split-squad scrimmages.

Blue in PA

October 5th, 2016 at 11:31 AM ^

Durkpins.....  

 

he knows too much.

 

I think the biggest threat to a loss before the trip to the toilet seat is the team looking ahead and not being 100% focused on the next game.

Coach Harbs and staff will be all over that.

AFWolverine

October 5th, 2016 at 11:38 AM ^

I would agree with you normally, but you need look no further than what Ohio State did to Rutgers. Superior teams with superior coaches will always win matchups against former coaches in their first year with a significantly lesser team/school.



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schreibee

October 5th, 2016 at 12:11 PM ^

Well, since it's a given that if we roll into Columbus undefeated that we would have already beaten msu, I'm not gonna argue over who I want to beat more - this season. We can't get to where we want to be without beating them.

But in general, as a person whose perspective goes back beyond the past decade, it's osu, always always always!

Putting sparty in such a prominent place in your thoughts and desires is only giving them what they want - can you people not SEE THAT?!?!?

GBGene

October 5th, 2016 at 2:34 PM ^

I have several MSU 'Fans' as neighbors and the past few years have been rough.  To top it off last year one commented "I was surprised we let UM hang around so late in the game.  We usually have is well in hand by halftime.  Nice to have competitive games once again."

 

Real and Spectacular

October 5th, 2016 at 11:35 AM ^

I agree with Brian. We won't get the version of MSU that played Indiana. They will likely play a perfect game with plays we have never seen before. Good news for us is that I have a feeling Harbaugh has a whole lot he hasn't shown yet either. Avoid turnovers in that game and I will feel a lot better.

lhglrkwg

October 5th, 2016 at 12:08 PM ^

but that team just looks like the type of offense that we eat alive. Decent run game, noodle armed QB. They'll pull out some trick plays to move the chains but I think it'll probably look like a poor man's Wisconsin game: they keep it closer looking than it really is but we end up winning fairly comfortably. Something like 27-10

Ron Utah

October 5th, 2016 at 11:44 AM ^

This ties in with Seth's answer, but when your offense isn't great, FGs become even more important.

The Wisconsin game was not even as close as the score indicates: even an average kicker should make 2/3 of those FG attempts, putting the score at a comfortable, spread-covering 20-7; had 'Sconsin hit that long play Stribling fell down on, it's still 20-14.

So my answer is definitely the FG kicking.  Our defense should be able to limit every remaining opponent on our schedule; our offense may need help from our kicker(s) to get points on the board.

This could also be vital in The Game, where a FG could easily decide the outcome.

mGrowOld

October 5th, 2016 at 12:31 PM ^

Kicking game scares me to death.  I have a nightmare where we're down 21-20 with 15 seconds left and we're lining up for a 35 yard or so field goal.

Not sure I could make it through that to be honest.  I think I'd be mGrowDead.

DonAZ

October 5th, 2016 at 11:44 AM ^

I found Seth's argument compelling.  And enjoyable to read ... I always enjoy Seth's stuff.

The "comfort" I can rely on is that Michigan moved the ball against Wisconsin's very good defense ... the issue was capitalizing.  That game's score should have been something more like 21-7 or even 28-7.  But alas, it wasn't.

Point being -- Michigan's offense is not quite so ineffective as we may think.  It's not nearly as good as we wish, obviously.  But maybe -- just maybe -- if the offense can capitalize a bit better on its opportunities, then a slightly better cushion can be built, then the "one play" concern on a defense is somewhat mitigated.

reshp1

October 5th, 2016 at 11:54 AM ^

The corner position already scares me right now. Wisconsin is the worst team to exploit it since they don't really have slot receivers, but there are teams on our schedule that will. When Lewis was out, teams were able to pick on Watson when he came on as the 3rd corner and on our safeties when we were in the base defense using quick slot dudes. It's probably time to bring one of David Long and Lavert Hill online to get them ready. 

Naked Bootlegger

October 5th, 2016 at 12:04 PM ^

Seth nails chaos in very poetic terms.  Nice.   The Hornibook pass fluttering 10 yards past a wide open receiver due to Stribling tangling with the 40 yard line defines chaos, and it worked in our favor this time.

mGrowOld

October 5th, 2016 at 12:34 PM ^

Why this escapes more than one poster in the thread is beyond me.  It's not like the title is "Bad stuff you think will probably happen cause we're not allowed to have nice things."  It's "Stumbling Blocks" and it's asking the question what could derail the train not what will derail us.

Naked Bootlegger

October 5th, 2016 at 3:14 PM ^

Damn.  I'm nowhere near the "Chicken Little" aisle, nor are Seth, Brian and the rest of the gang.  Seth's comments were poetry in motion regarding the fickle and chaotic nature of a long and grueling football season that sometimes hangs in balance due to the whims of chance and  unexplained human vagaries.  The Stribling slip was one of those key moments.   Hornibrook threw an erratic pass to a wide open WR and we lived to fight another down.   His inaccuracy was probably due at least partially to PTSD from getting pummeled throughout the game, but it was still a major unforced error that kept points off the board at a key juncture of the game.   Chicken little?  No.  Fan of Seth's write-up regarding the tortuous chase of perfection that sometimes gets derailed by chaotic circumstances?  Yes.

markusr2007

October 5th, 2016 at 12:37 PM ^

MSU is not the same team without their LBs (Bullough, Reschke and Frey) and secondary (Hicks) healthy and DL (Raekwon Williams and Malik McDowell). LJ Scott has not been 100% all season and is doubtful for BYU.  Will some of the wounded Spartan players return back to full health for the Michigan game? Probably. MSU path to Michigan is BYU, Northwestern and @ Maryland. All lightweights.

Wisconsin is not the same team without Vince Biegel.

Michigan was not the same team without Jourdan Lewis.

Ohio State just lost its best backup center and right guard in Demetrius Knox for the year.

Despite the losses of LT Newsome and DB Clark, Michigan has been fortunate regarding team health.  The only team luckier than Michigan right now in terms of injuries and depth thus far is probably Maryland. 

And Maryland is probably in for a reality check this week at Happy Valley, a place they have won only once since 1917.  Maryland's past 4 opponents: Howard, Florida Intl, UCF (OT) and Purdue.

 

 

 

 

markusr2007

October 5th, 2016 at 12:50 PM ^

to spoil a perfect season for Michigan, or for Ohio State.

They play both teams in East Lansing toward the end of the season.

With 2 losses already, they are probably not going to the BIG title gamen or the Rose Bowl, so ripping out Michigan's heart would be a nice consolation prize.

But with all of Dantonio's disrespect, anger, resentment and brooding chips on the shoulder, you still have to line up and play football.  This means not wasting timeouts in a tight game. This means not missing blocking assignments, throwing interceptions, allowing sacks and getting charged stupid penalties.

Michigan State is 3rd in the league in penalty yards lost, and one of the worst teams in the league in both 3rd down and 4th down conversions percentages.

In short, I don't really care how angry or motivated they by hatred of Michigan. I don't necessary care how healthy they are either.  They have some great players.  What's more important is can they calm down and execute their plan?  Dantonio is frustrated because obviously with September done MSU is a flawed football team, and has a lot to correct.

I serously question whether they can pull it all together before Michigan comes to town.

I still think MSU has what it takes, warts and all, to win 8 + games.

 

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ska4punkkid

October 5th, 2016 at 3:41 PM ^

Living in Provo, I had a good winning bet when M played BYU last year.

This year, the bet with my co-workers is who beats MSU by more - BYU or M? Obviously M

BYU though has not looked very good this year. Taysom Hill is a shell of his old self before all the year-ending injuries. If the opposing teams D can stop Jamaal Williams (BYU RB) then BYU is in trouble. 

Crazy stat: Every BYU game this year has been decided by 3 points or less. They are 2-3, so close to being 5-0