Detail #6 of the NCAA football playoff list in this post is certainly interesting.
this may be of some local interest
Iowa: not very good. BHGP on the Hawkeye depth chart at guard and RB:
IOWA FOOTBALL TAKES ON MICHIGAN SATURDAY (/GROAN).Here's the two-deeps. Conor Boffeli is your left guard this week. Jordan Walsh, Austin Blythe, Nolan MacMillan and Boffeli have all had a turn playing turnstile there since Brandon Scherff and Andrew Donnal left the Penn State game due to injury. Neither Mark Weisman nor Brad Rogers are listed at running back or fullback.
Last week, Damon Bullock got to play an Iowan version of Poor Damn Toussaint, rushing for 1.9 yards a carry against Purdue, the #85 rushing D in the country. Iowa is not good. FWIW, the game was off the board yesterday but has now been set at Michigan –20. Iowa is not good.
YAHHHHHHHHHH / Bryan Fuller
Basketball: possibly very good. I took in my first non-tiny-stream version of Michigan basketball last night*, and this happened:
"I probably should've dunked it," the Michigan freshman forward joked. "I missed a little tip-in, I was kind of upset about that."
It was awful. I'm so depressed.
The Wolverines' freshman forward showed off every facet of his game, and his potential, scoring 21 points on 8 of 9 shooting. He went 3-for-3 from behind the 3-point line, he finished off alley-oop dunks and even grabbed six rebounds.
Oh right that part well you guys just aren't demanding enough excellence. It is only by doing so on the internet that excellence can be achieved.
But seriously folks. !!!
Let us take a brief moment to consider Jordan Morgan, who continues to lose weight and get more athletic. He uses this additional athleticism to be incredibly annoying. Here is a screen in your face. Here is a hedge of your screen that puts you in the corner six feet from the three point line. Also it comes with free batting at the ball. He is going to rotate back now and not block your shot but just make it so that when you jump you're bouncing off him a little. And then he will run the floor.
Morgan's still undersized and may still be foul-prone against better competition, but this year Michigan can turn to Mitch McGary and Jon Horford when that happens instead of a badly miscast Evan Smotrycz, so I don't even care that much except Morgan does seem a step or two better than those guys because of the aforementioned embodiment of the most annoying noise in the world.
Big guys have a tendency to make that senior step up—Chris Young, Pete Vignier, Graham Brown—that makes them loveable lunch-bucket little-coaching-squee machines, and Morgan is in that year even if he's a junior thanks to the redshirt. There's a reason he's starting.
He'll probably see his minutes reduced against teams that can put out a post guy who can simply outhuge him; other than that it's going to be hard to get him off the floor.
*[Defensive defense of self: It's hard for me to carve out the time to go to Crisler early in the week because I am working so hard for you, reader, and hockey versus MSU against BBball versus Slippery Rock is no contest.]
The vexer is now the vexee! Or maybe vice-versa. I'm vexed.
Will Campbell wrapping up vexing career by playing his best football
Commence the Rodriguez rabbling!
"It's been bumpy, it's been up and down," Campbell said. "I wish I was under this coaching staff all four years, but I wasn't, so the opportunities they gave me I just tried to capitalize on.
"I'm not saying that (the previous staff held me back). I was just lazy and young, and didn't realize the opportunities in front of me."
You could have had a stuffed animal rubbed on your face, man. That was the opportunity you missed in favor of eating cheeseburgers and playing video games. Verdict: good call.
Format set, mostly. The people who made the playoff thing got together to hammer out some playoff details. They are:
More documents, more facepalming for the NCAA. Get The Picture has been all over every document released as part of the Ed O'Bannon case's discovery process, and here's the latest palm-to-forehead moment:
Davis then writes: "Here's my concern -- Eil [sic] is a current player on the Ole Miss team. Is using his actual number and attributes (height, race, etc.) too close to reality thereby using Eli's likeness (if not his name) and causing an eligibility issue?"
Another NCAA staffer, Melissa Caito, wrote in response: "Pls be cautious as you move through this -- any more 'watering down' of the video games will likely move the manufacturers to cease operations with us."
I'm not a lawyer, but that seems bad.
Another document made public Monday by the plaintiffs lawyers showed the results of an NCAA commercialism and licensing survey in which 12 of 150 responding Division I schools said they "engage in the sale of licensed products bearing a current student-athlete's individual likeness."
This was 2004 to 2006. I wonder what constitutes "likeness" here—it's possible some schools admit that putting 16 on a jersey and selling it is enough, while others are like "16, never heard of him, who's named 16 lol nobody."
Etc.: MGoUser hops on reddit to ask if people actually show up at other schools. Burke is now 20, also scoring and assisting. Billy Taylor documentary is FRIDAY FRIDAY FRIDAY. Even the most reasonable minds have to wonder about whether there is some conspiracy at Penn State. Oh… against Penn State? Oh. Safety blitzin'.
Detail #6 of the NCAA football playoff list in this post is certainly interesting.
Sure is convoluted and ... SQUIRREL!
as i was struggling with trying to grasp that playoff formula, visualizing a diagram that might help clarify it, the basketball bullet was a welcome, sudden escape.
First, your Hardaway bullet is in the playoff section (guessing that's in the wrong section).
Second, regarding your inability to attend every Michigan game ever, just out of curiosity, how much time do you spend on the site during a typical in-season week? As a terrible writer, I have no idea how much time it would take you.
um, it's hard to tell. I do that thing where you work until your brain complains and then do something else for a bit, and feel like you can never go do anything because if you're at your computer you could start working at any time. "Lots" is the best approximation I can offer.
That sounds about like the opposite of what I do here at work: I feel like I can never do anything at my computer because I could start not working at any time.
On ESPN Gameday this past weekend, they demonstrated Johnny Manziel's popularity by showing all of the "Johnny Football" t-shirts on sale at the Texas A&M bookstore. Isn't that a blatant violation?
That looked less like "guy who doesn't know how to play basketball" than "guy shocked he isn't dunking right now."
Everybody is giving credit to Demens and Gardner, but I saw you grind Mark into the turf so damned hard they had to scrape him off with a spatula. I know who won that game big fella.
i thought that was Frank Clark
I'm not calmed by the stat on points scored by IUPUI in the last 30 minutes. That seemed more a function of them than anything special Michigan was doing.
Early season + youth, however, seems like a better reason not to panic. And Morgan is probably going to be a notch better this year than last, which was very good already.
I find the first part of your post to be questionable... if you are willing to claim that michigan had no part in their lack of production for the last 30 minutes but then suggest that they were solely at fault for IUPUI shooting well in the first 10 minutes, then I think you are being unfair. There offensive output in early the first half was largely due to them making an unsustainable amount of 3s (some being the fault, in part, of michigans D).
Shows a steady decline in their off efficiency and their eFG%, which I doubt is due to IUPUI just deciding to suck and more likely michigan rotating better and IUPUI coming down to earth.
As an aside, I can't imagine what people would be saying if you know...we weren't clobbering people.
Well, they started off the game shooting close to 70% - which I think we can agree is a bit high for them, or anyone.
There's likely some regression in the "last 30 minutes" number involved.
I agree with that...I guess I meant that IUPUI didn't just systematically decide to play differently and start sucking by abandoning their offense and just throwing the ball at the backboard. I just think its silly if we can say that when they shoot very well to start it is because of our D sucking but then when they shoot more normally/poorly its only because they regressed. I just think if you are going to be mindful of regression-themed arguments you have to use them both ways.
But what interests me is I think I've finally figured out PSU. They have the little brother mentality at what (once was) a major football program. And it hasn't come recently; it's been noticable since the day they entered the conference. Even though they were given every scheduling break imaginable, they've always felt the other schools were out to get them. Compare this to Nebraska, who yes, this year has little to complain about, but was given a "welcome" really tough schedule, and seems to have joined more smoothly. Maybe we learned something from Penn State. But I think it has a lot more to do with the self-confidence of the school and fanbase of where they stand. I don't think the league is "upping" the Cornhuskers...it's just been one of those years where they put themselves in position for the lucky breaks to matter, and they've been getting them all. They can go both ways one year over another. We've seen it.
But this stuff is just apeshit-
I would love to get out of the BIG It is a terrible football conf. and laughing stock of nation. I know the ACC isn’t much better but I would rather travel to Tallahasse or Miami or NC this time of year to see an away game than cold as ice locals like Indiana, Mich, and Wisc. Plus all the BIG schools are sooooooo far away from south central pa. I know it will never happen because of the $$$$. But I feel that we say right now 3 more years in BIG then we are done. Screw them they never wanted us and it shows how we were original treated and lets face facts, we (esp when playing against OSU, UM, Neb)we get the hose job by the refs. Plus I think the ACC is on the rise and it is a hell of a good basketball conf. So lets get out!
Probably more in the almost 950 posts of crazy, but this one towards the top...yeah, it's the Big Ten that's embarrassing PSU, not the other way around....
Excellent comparison of PSU/Nebraska and how their fanbase handled entered the B1G and one I had never considered until you wrote that. You're right - PSU bitched and moaned and has generally acted like spoiled little children from day one while Nebraska seems like they've always been here and fit right in.
I too read the nutjob comments on this post immediately after it went up and thought to myself "be careful what you wish for PSU".....not like anybody around here would be heartbroken if you left.
Pre-season there was a lot of chatter that they could run the table and win the B1G in their first season.
But they had trips to Madison and State College and got the Buckeyes for their OOD opponents. Those are the 3 best teams in the "Woody" division. They also came to Ann Arbor and East Lansing for good measure. Welcome to the conference, buddy.
It seems we fared better than the SEC did when they let their Big 12 team in this year.
Yeah, but in fairness, A&M has been a sleeping giant for a while now. That program has the resources, tradition, and recruiting base necessary to be among college football's elite, but they could never get over the hump for some reason. Their switch to the SEC happened to coincide with the hiring of Kevin Sumlin.
PSU got for years right before Michigan and OSU. You should have to earn your way. And to Nebraska's credit they said "yeah, you didn't give us any breaks" but they didn't whine about it. On the other hand, even with a bye PSU loses to the two traditional powers their first year then whines "they're out to get us!!!" Funny how when the bye weeks stopped PSU beating us stopped.
I just hope if Nebraska continues to do well this year they don't think everything will work out for them like it has this year every year. PSU went undefeated their 2nd year in the Big Ten.....after that, not so much.
I know Penn State fans who are intelligent and sensible in all other aspects of life, but who genuinely believe that the Big Ten is out to get Penn State and that JoePa's reputation is being sullied because all of the other fanbases are jealous of him. They're not just talking trash, they actually seem to believe this.
I think Penn State fans have easily displaced Notre Dame fans as the most delusional fanbase in America.
Penn State was an independent before they joined the Big 10. Prior to conference affiliation, they were the center of their universe and never had to share the spotlight with anyone. Nebraska, on the other hand came from the Big 12 and was third fiddle to Texas and Oklahoma. So while Nebraska has a proud football tradition and has a high opinion of themselves, their perspective still doesn't allow them to trend toward diva-ness.
I'm certain if Notre Dame would've behaved in much the same manner as PSU if they had ever accepted the invitation to join the Big 10.
I'm sure all the PSU nutjobs are looking at the deal that ND got with the ACC and thinking would merit similar treatment, which is laughable. But I'm with you MGO, if Penn State wants to go, I won't shed a tear, they've brought nothing to this conference except a little bit of presence on the East Coast and not much else. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
Ahhhh. [takes out rediculous bubble pipe]
I generally agree, but think there's one additional thing at play that makes this more complicated than just the Little Brother complex. Penn State fans combine the 'lack of respect' that characterizes the LB with a superiority complex that assumes they are the rightful holders of all that is right and good in college football.
Since the late '60s, Penn State had been running up impressive records against a schedule consisting generally poor competition. Their regular east coast rivals (which some PSU fans long to return to) was a collection of reliably terrible teams -- Maryland, West Virginia, Syracuse, Temple, BC. The only real consistent exception was Pitt, which was understandably their rivalry game.
In the '60s and '70s, the result was several undefeated seasons that, nonetheless, didn't yield national championships, because the voters were like, you've beaten a series of terrible teams. This granted Penn State fans a "nobody respects us" inferiority complex to go along with the "Success with Honor" superiority complex that Paterno imbued the program with. In the '80s, Penn State beat those same teams but beefed up their schedules, won two titles, and gained national respect. It's this context that explains the laughably one-sided financial nature of the eastern conference that Paterno tried to set up (no shared revenues, IIRC). It also explains the assumptions of Penn State fans that they would dominate the Big 10 (which was generally down apart from Michigan when PSU joined).
Given these assumptions and the memories of the lack of respect for PSU during the 1960s and 1970s, they entered with a belief that the Big 10 would screw them over to prevent them from dominating the conference. And when PSU turned out to be less successful when they no longer played completely overmatched opponents every week, many concluded that this was the result of the conferences plans, "Referines," OSU's dastadly ways, etc. That the conference doesn't protect them represents PSU fans' Little Brother inferiority complex, that the ACC would jump at a team who will be on probation, associated with child molestation for the foreseeable future, and soon decimated by sanctions represents their superiority complex.
In short, the pathology of the PSU fan is much more psychologically interesting than that of the MSU fan.
And at least their bitching got us instant replay.
Has an inferiority conference.
I'd say when Penn State joined OSU was really good under Cooper, except when they played us; and that's when Wisconsin and Northwestern came into their own. But you might have meant the perception coming into the Conference rather than once they joined.
You would have gotten the +1 for te bubble pipe alone.
Yeah, I meant when they agreed to join the conference in 1990. At that point, Wisconsin was pre-Alvarez and terrible, NU was pre-Barnett and worse, OSU was going through the Bruce - Cooper transition, and Iowa was starting to fade from the highpoint of the Hayden Fry years in the mid 80s. We were consistently good but the league was pretty down.
I feel like OSU's best Cooper years were in the mid 90s. I think they won a share of the conference title in 1993, the year that PSU started playing in the conference, but we absolutely obliterated that team (was it 31-0?). The next year, Penn State beat them something like 63-10. But 1995-1998 were all really good OSU teams.
It was a lot of fun. And the strt of under ranked Michigan teams taking it to OSU. Kept them out of the Rose Bowl. (Which they had a draught of). But yeah their best years were when they were the Lions were in the conference. (My auto-correct "inferiority conference" above is pretty funny considering the topic).
Does it count, if I also say that I sort of wish that Will Campbell had been playing under a Mattison-led defense all that time? But if the Michigan budget in 2008 couldn't afford Jeff Casteel, I don't think that they could have outbid the Ravens for Mattison's services.
Who knows, if in 2017, we'll be griping about how if only we'd had a better offensive coordinator than Borges.
I try not to engage in revisionism. The funny thing with Campbell is that not so long ago, people were blaming his high school coaching, and the overall quality of the Detroit PSL, for the fact that he wasn't an instant star in the Big Ten.
when it was announced that this would be a "no-win game show"...
...I'm glad that our defense didn't have to face Oregon, USC and UCLA this year.
But no matter what, this is my punishment for daring to say anything nice about Mattison, right?
I'll denigrate the program, for not being willing to pay Casteel. It was probably the worst mistake of Bill Martin's otherwise-excellent tenure in the Athletic Department. (Much worse, I'd say, than Tommy Amacker. Don't press me on Brian Ellerbee.)
Don't take my word on it. Ask Dave Brandon. His first significant decision as AD, as far as I am concerned, was, 'We have to have an all-new paradigm on football assistant/coordinator salaries.' Brandon made that determination before he determined to relieve Rich Rodriguez. Brandon knew what had gotten fucked up, as soon as he got into the job.
No matter, whether Jeff Casteel is included in any discussion on the topic. Michigan, and the whole conference, lagged the rest of the country. Brandon knew it. Brandon knew that we had to change. He changed it. And every other contending football program in the B1G is likewise changing, as fast as they have to or as fast as they can.
So yeah. Count me in, for denigrating Michigan's Athletic Department, for those decisions, during those years.
Thanks for asking and have a nice day!
But if it makes you feel any better, Goss kept Ellerbee around, not Martin. Now if someone wants to argue he kept him around too long before hiring Amaker (guessing that was a typo), I guess they could, but it'd be way OT.
details of the playoff "formula" alert me to the fact that they are going to actually find a way to make me want the original BCS formula back, quite the same way that the original BCS formula made me want the "old bowl system" back where everybody just played whoever in a New Years Day spectacular. At every step of the way, they are taking a good idea and convoluting the details in such a horid way that you forget what the actual idea was in the first place.
I am afraid that you cannot have the "bowl system" and a playoff at the same time, in the same way that you cannot have your cake and eat it too (although that never really made sense to me as if you are eating you already "have it" or are having it, and nobody really wants to have a cake unless they are eating it, but whatever).
You can't eat your cake and have it too. The other way around makes no sense (as you noticed).
way makes sense.
If you eat your cake, you no longer have (possess) it.
but cake is not to be possessed, it is to be eaten, i.e. to possess cake is to eat it. A non-edible item would make more sense, such as, "you cannot eat your calculator and have it to." Nobody wants a cake because they want to frame it and hold on to it, so it is on no significance to tell somebody they cannot do so.
M is very fortunate Trey Burke decided to return for a second session with M hoops, but It struck me while watching this team the game Burke sat out: This is a top 20 team without Trey Burke.
Burke and GRIII: pretty clear these are the two best players on the team.
I will be watching GRIII closely, but early returns show a lightening first step that the great ones have. Bruce Pearl gave an involuntary "wow", on the one devastatingly quick crossover GRIII effortlessly made.
Is there any group of people in America who are more prone to petulant whining than Penn State fans?
I give you Iowa starting RB Damon Bullock. 2 star chillaxer.
Damon Bullock should know that AIRHG does not look kindly upon infidels
How dare you invoke the name of the Notorious V.I.G.!
The Iowa line you linked to from vegasinsider.com appears to have Iowa favored by 20, doesn't it? That has to be a typo; if not, give me some of that action!
That thread created on Reddit has some really interesting answers. The one real eye-opener is the response from an Oregon poster about the fact that their student section is rarely full at kickoff. Autzen is notorious for being one of the most difficult stadiums for visiting teams (see Michigan a few years back) because of the noise. Interesting to read that they have the same student attendance issue that Michigan does. Maybe its the free tickets causing more casual fans to get tickets?
I found the comments more vindicating than surprising. One of my beliefs about humanity is that everyone is basically the same, so it's not surprising at all to me that students everywhere behave identically. Personally, the student section argument is basically a "get off my lawn" thing.
That said, I'm all for reasonable measures that increase student on-time rates without limiting access to actual university students.
It's "why are (current) Michigan and other students different than the students that came before them?"
I have two answers to that:
1. The student section includes a lot of social fans - kids who get tickets because that's what you do (and/or because their parents are paying for them). These social fans likely won't be buying tickets (certainly not season tickets) once they're out of school. The non-students buying tickets are buying them because they want to go to the game, not because that's just what you do on Saturdays.
2. Student tailgating is a lot different from non-student tailgating in two ways - quantity of alcohol consumed and proximity to the stadium. This is a generality of course, but it's easier to get to the game on time after drinking 5 beers on the golf course than after drinking 10 beers and walking from Hill and Church, or something. I remember a number of times in college where I was late to the game because I mis-timed that walk after drinking too much.
I think the drinking plays a role. Trust me, I'm a much better drinker-then-football fan now than I was at 18-19. I had a number of games in undergrad where I had full intention of showing up on time and then didn't because I had one too many beers, I lost track of time, I started talking to a cute girl who seemed interested, got stuck cleaning shit off my lawn, forgot to grab my ticket from my room, helped out someone who drank a little too much at my pre-party or some combination of the above. I don't think it's a big deal and I don't see it changing much either.
It answers why students are different from other game watchers. Not why they're different than students of the past, who seemed to be able to stay up till 3 am drinking, and get up at 8 am to start again and catch the game. Because not only do I not remember it being that empty "back in the day when I was a student", but many classes that came after me that seemed to be able to do it. It seems a more recent thing across the country.
Now it might be your point feeds into the other thread that more student seats means more student casual fans than in the past, because I think the demand and numbers have gone way up; and I don't think that's all diehards.
I doubt they are different. If they are, I'd guess a change occurred when the school committed to an expanded student section (maybe 1999?) that would ensure all students who wanted to purchase tickets had them. This eliminated the local resale market.
Furthermore, the stamp that's now required to use a student ticket without an ID is a significant barrier to resale for the less popular games. Iowa regular tickets cost $75 on mgoblue.com, so a non-student purchaser of a student ticket has to pay $42.50 to be able to use the ticket at the stadium. Stubhub tickets are going for $40, without the coordination costs. Which would you pick? The receiver is essentially losing money even if they get the ticket for free from the student. I'm guessing there are much cheaper alternatives out there too.
The bottom line is that I hypothesize student season ticket holders always attended in similar numbers to today, but athletic department policies have essentially eliminated the informal resale market for student tickets.
The real question is how many regular season ticket holders attend games relative to student season ticket holders. It's easy to give away or resell regular tickets. It's actually a losing proposition for the receiver to get a student ticket for free in most cases.
They used to come in booklets that you had to have the whole thing. I remember because we did actually buy a booklet among roommates/friends and split up the tickets among a bunch of us to have friends/relatives/etc come to the games with a different person each week, and we had to pass along the whole thing to the next person each week.
That's interesting. My brother's roommate at Michigan was in the band. I paid him for his whole ticket package for two years and went to every game. I didn't have to do anything special, I just showed up with a ticket on gameday. I regularly attended games on student tickets from the late 90s to the early aughts like this.
Maybe things were different when you were in school, or I was extraordinarily lucky to never have any resistance.
Either way, it's essentially impossible to even give away student tickets to most games now that the staff check for student IDs whenever given a student tickets. I'm pretty old, so I get a very thorough look, which always ends in me joking about spending a lot of time in the military.