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Brian January 9th, 2020 at 2:30 PM

I spoke it into being, I apologize. I have been joking that John Beilein will be Indiana's coach next year and uhhhhhhhh:

After stunning his players in a film session Wednesday with a verbal suggestion that they were no longer playing "like a bunch of thugs," Cleveland Cavaliers coach John Beilein later reached out to players individually to insist he instead meant to use the word "slugs." …

"I didn't realize that I had said the word 'thugs,' but my staff told me later I did and so I must have said it," Beilein told ESPN on Wednesday night. "I meant to say slugs, as in slow-moving. We weren't playing hard before, and now we were playing harder. I meant it as a compliment. That's what I was trying to say. I've already talked to eight of my players tonight, and they are telling me that they understand."

John Beilein is one of about four people worldwide who could claim he wanted to use the word "slug" in that context without getting laughed out of the room, but even leaving aside the… uh… fraught terminology he may or may not have meant to use his team hates him in ways that are probably unrecoverable.

This is why Beilein leaving for the NBA seemed insane even if he was losing second-round picks to the NBA at a rate that made him crazy. The power dynamic is reversed at the pro level so if you walk into the Cavs situation you're a dead man.

[After THE JUMP: Almost got Northwestern'd]

And also. The other half of the Indiana-Beilein equation barely avoided a home loss to Northwestern last night. If you have not seen Northwestern play this year I cannot emphasize enough how humiliating this would have been. Not only are the Wildcats abominable but their highest-usage starter is a guy named Pat Spencer who was the top pick in the pro lacrosse league's draft—seriously—and looks way too much like a Pitchfork staffer to be on a college basketball court.

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Vampire Weekend's recent foray into bongos left this reviewer cold, wistful, and baffled, like a salmon transported to the vacuum of space and given one last look at home before dying. 4.8.

Anyway, the Crimson Quarry has seen the end of Archie Miller:

In Archie Miller’s tenure at Indiana, he’s yet to have a team finish in the TOP 300 in the nation in three-point field goal percentage or free throw percentage. His current team is 267th and 212th in those stats, respectively. You can explain this comment in one of two ways.

One: Archie Miller cannot diagnose the single most glaringly obvious thing wrong with his basketball team despite, well, math.

Two: Archie Miller has reached the point where any Indiana basketball tenure begins to unwind, damp & mad about the discourse, and it’s slowly going to eat away at his braincells until the eventuality comes, whether it’s three months from now or three years.

Indiana is a 12-3 basketball team, a fine record, and a fine result in a vacuum. If you have no desire to be forward-looking, setting the doomsday clock at this point seems foolish. This is where I remind you that Indiana is a basketball team that cannot shoot, cannot score, has no cogent offense, is mildly decent at defense when it cares to be, and the amount it seems to care dwindles more and more by the day.

They think it's gonna take another few years before someone pulls the plug, but I have spoke it into being so Miller will be jailed for texting military secrets to Punky Brewster this February.

The culture Howard came from. A long article on the NBA's new load management trend is incidentally interesting for a lot of reasons and then at the end it details a spot that isn't having any of it, and is doing well. It's the spot Juwan Howard came from:

"In Miami, they had pre-practice," says Phoenix Suns guard Tyler Johnson, who now plays for Spurs disciple Monty Williams but spent his first four-and-a-half seasons with the Heat. "If you were a young guy or guy who just came in and had to learn what was going on, they made sure to teach you the concepts in practice before practice. They take that to another level. Player development was almost a daily thing. You were going to be in there and get a good sweat. If we had days in between games, we'd scrimmage. Here we scrimmage, but there we called it 'Braces and Mouthguards.' You were taped and ready to go.

"I remember once we were having trouble with a stretch 5. I can't remember who it was—Kevin Love, somebody like that—but he just killed us. The whole night we were coming into the huddle saying it's too hard to drop in and then close out to a big. We have to switch. The whole night, that's all we kept saying. The next day? For at least an hour, it was all about having the big drop and sprint out to a big. And then the whole time we heard [from the coaches], 'Oh, but I thought we couldn't do it.' If there was something we had to work on, when it came to load management, there was no such thing."

Early yet to see if this approach to preparation has come over from the Heat and if it will pay off like it has in Miami, which is one of this season's major surprises.

Draft bits. This is going to be a weird NBA draft. The top seven players in Jonathan Givony's rankings will probably not play in the NCAA tournament either because they're playing internationally, left school, or chose poorly. The three current college players in the top seven are Cole Anthony, Tyrese Haliburton (seriously?), and Anthony Edwards. UNC, Iowa State, and Georgia are all well out of tourney projections.

This might be relevant for the future of one-and-done. Givony:

A number of scouts are concerned that the lowering of the age limit back down to 18 could cause elite prospects to take the drastic step of skipping their senior years of high school altogether, which would lead to further confusion in player evaluation. So it's no surprise that the chatter around one-and-done going away has screeched to a halt, as executives have encouraged their owners to tell NBA commissioner Adam Silver how opposed they are to making draft decisions on high schoolers yet again.

One-and-done was indisputably bad for Michigan basketball under John Beilein; under Juwan Howard it looks like a net benefit. If one and done does stick around that also creates a circus around Emoni Bates.

FWIW, the top-ranked Big Ten players in Givony's top 100 are Cassius Winston at 26 and Kaleb Wesson at 27. MSU's Aaron Henry is surprisingly 31st. No other Big Ten player is rated as anything but a late-second round pick: Jalen Smith is 55, Jon Teske 67, Aaron Wiggins 75, Ayo Donsunmu 77, Isaiah Livers 90 and Xavier Tillman 91.

Never say never these days but a couple of guys who everyone thought would be gone next year are currently rated in the "for the love of God, go back to school" range. So is Livers. If Michigan gets Josh Christopher and Isaiah Todd follows through minutes are going to be cutthroat next year.

Speaking of Christopher. Matt D had the good news—UCLA's 247 site saying he's all but sealed to Michigan—yesterday. Sam Webb has been a little more circumspect, which makes sense since UCLA folk aren't going to be mad at the UCLA guy if Christopher goes to Arizona State but Michigan folk will be mad at Webb in that eventuality.

ESPN's Jeff Borzello adds a little bit more to that:

The Wolverines, fresh off landing frontcourt pieces Hunter Dickinson and Terrance Williams in late December and early January, are gathering momentum for five-star guard Joshua Christopher. Christopher took an official visit to Ann Arbor in November and could make a return trip before the season ends. Arizona State and Missouri both have family connections to Christopher, while UCLA was picking up buzz over the past couple months. But Juwan Howard has positioned the Wolverines squarely in the mix.

A second cross-country visit would be a very, very good sign.

Enter the portal. Jaylen Kelly-Powell has entered the portal. That's a playing time transfer, as JKP bounced from safety to corner and back for the duration of his career without nearing significant playing time. In retrospect that slot fade against Wisconsin when he was a freshman was pretty much it: not fast enough to stay in the same area code as a Wisconsin WR, the end.

Etc.: If you want 25 minutes on Brad Underwood's offense this is the video for you. Sean McKeon was PFF's top graded B10 tight end. Not a banner year—#3 is barely above average by their reckoning. Nick Sheridan is probably Indiana's new offensive coordinator. Don't call it a comeback, call it falling ass-backwards into a job. Offensive rebounding is at an all time low.

Comments

Kilgore Trout

January 9th, 2020 at 2:58 PM ^

Still hoping Beilein can rally. He has a history of pretty rough first seasons, but this is pretty bad. 

If he really is one and done, I think Texas is a more likely destination. From what I can tell, culturally similar to Michigan and definitely in need. Yaklich could stay put with him as a potential coach in waiting or something like that. 

GoBlue96

January 9th, 2020 at 3:24 PM ^

He'd be fine at Texas or Indiana but those programs ultimately expect 5 stars.  I think a place like Northwestern would be the ultimate challenge for him.  He could recruit who he wants and he'd be a hero if he gets them to the sweet sixteen.  I have no idea if they would pay enough to get him.

yossarians tree

January 10th, 2020 at 12:24 PM ^

I never understood why he took that gig to begin with. The Cavs were an absolute train wreck with no hope in sight. I'd say what it speaks to more than anything is that this guy, in his dream job at Michigan, much-beloved, living in a town that both he and his wife adore, in the twilight of his career, chose to bail out of college basketball because certain aspects of the job had become so distasteful to him. Makes you think. I'd love to hear him really open up and be honest with what he saw and heard and thought about in the college game. 

ERdocLSA2004

January 10th, 2020 at 12:27 PM ^

I agree.  Where is all of this Indiana speculation coming from other than Brian?  Belein had a perfect situation at Michigan, but left it to take over an NBA tire fire that everyone ON PLANET EARTH knew wasn’t a good move.  If he was so fed up with UofM that he left, I see a near zero percent chance he coaches in D1 as a head coach in the near future.  (Assuming he gets canned at CLE)

MGlobules

January 9th, 2020 at 3:00 PM ^

This analysis of John's faux pas is dumb, esp. once we look at context. They haven't been playing hard, they haven't been pummeling people--that was not John's complaint. It was that they'd been going through the motions. Does that correspond to the word slug or to the word thug?

John's players have laughed it off, but a certain strand of dishwater liberal will preserve this in amber. And I say this as a progressive who grew up in a civil rights family. John just spent a dozen years in fruitful relationships with scores of African American kids and their families. They get it; his players already got it. JOHN got it, immediately. Liberals in bubbles will not get it.

This country is getting dumber by the day.

JamesBondHerpesMeds

January 9th, 2020 at 3:06 PM ^

I'm a liberal in a goddamn bubble bath, and I totally get it, and I've lived in John Beilein's orbit for the past decade as a Michigan basketball fan.

I can totally understand why someone would not, and I wouldn't blame them. But the NBA is a very different beast from the world that he's been in for the past four decades, and perhaps he miscalculated how quickly the heat would be turned up.

It's a bummer, too. His first season here was the worst Michigan had had in years, and that INCLUDED the Ellerbe era. Maybe he should have eased into this a bit more.

L'Carpetron Do…

January 9th, 2020 at 4:45 PM ^

I'm a fire-breathing liberal too and I get it. I know Beilein is a good dude and likely didn't mean it. He's been around African-American players for decades and as far as I know there has never been an incident like this.

I use the word "thug" in a variety of contexts, about  a variety of people but it always has to do with the person's behavior. But, its a loaded term. And we have to be careful how we use it. Context and connotation matter.

Lakeyale13

January 9th, 2020 at 6:37 PM ^

I'm 43 and have lived in every region of the country except New England.  Just trying to make the point that I am not a sheltered individual...but when did "thug" take on a racial component?  

I have always heard it to mean someone playing like a brute, tough and physical and usually excessively so.  Such as describing the Pistons and Bill Lambier as playing like "thugs".  Zero race implications.

Thank goodness now I know.  Another word having to add to the "don't use anymore" list.

ijohnb

January 9th, 2020 at 3:06 PM ^

What analysis is that?  That he's probably not going to be there very long?  The players have been opening feuding with him through the media for like a month.  Throw on top of it a national negative story like this that everybody is talking about.  I am not hearing anything about players laughing it off.  I am hearing about the general manager traveling to Detroit during a road trip to talk to Beilein and his players.  Are you saying that only "liberals" can observe that John Beilein is not going to be coaching the Cavs for very much longer?

GoBlueGladstone

January 9th, 2020 at 3:28 PM ^

I would only add, as a liberal and person of color, that the outrage over the perceived outrage outweighs the actual outrage. Kind of a case of "I saw people on TV/the internet being snowflakes!!! PC grrrr...."

But yeah, draw wide swath cultural conclusions immediately because we love JB. It's a story because he is in the entertainment business where everything is amplified and there are other things amiss in Cleveland's locker room without mention of the perceived faux pas. I feel like there's no oxygen to suggest that maybe it's just those that feel the need to express themselves - either way - that are being heard creating a phony, interwebs "controversy" that serves whatever confirmation bias is de riguer.  

I could be wrong, but the way we leap from "some people think [insert whatever]..." to "this country is getting dumber by the day" maybe is a self-affirming observation? 

bronxblue

January 9th, 2020 at 3:40 PM ^

One of the few things I think both conservatives and liberals can agree is that this is a bad take.

He said thugs.  He probably meant what you said (that they're not playing hard), but he didn't say that.  And he just needs to own it.  

Cleveland was a bad team when Beilein showed up, run by an idiot who owes his team's success to the fact LeBron James was born nearby, and nothing has much changed.  But there's a reason the NBA isn't full of 60-something first-year HCs from college, and Beilein probably should have known that.  I wish him luck wherever he winds up but it probably won't be in the NBA for much longer.

Hensons Mobile…

January 9th, 2020 at 3:40 PM ^

John's players have laughed it off

You just made that up.

John just spent a dozen years in fruitful relationships with scores of African American kids and their families.

Relevance?

They get it; his players already got it.

Got what, that it wasn't a big deal?

JOHN got it, immediately.

John got what, that it wasn't a big deal? Do you even remember what you were talking about anymore?

 

 

bacon1431

January 9th, 2020 at 4:24 PM ^

I don't think they laughed it off. Nance said he accepts JB's apology, but that he was also stunned after the incident. That's not laughing it off. 

Just because someone works with and does a good job with African Americans does not shield them from criticism. I work in a school where 75% of the kids are AA. I have alot of good relationships with them and their parents. If I accidentally said something racist, I would not be immune from criticism or discipline. Nor should I! 

I don't see anybody calling for JB's head. I don't think I've seen one player, analyst or league official say that. I think Michigan fans and white people have been reacting to this far more passionately than I've seen people of color. 

Holmdel

January 9th, 2020 at 4:37 PM ^

It breaks my heart that JB's error is getting so much attention because the punishment is far exceeding the crime. 

However, in a world where people cannot read minds, when a well-intentioned person mistakenly says an arguably offensive thing to a human he cares about, he ought to then apologize and say out loud that he intended no offense (which JB did). 

The fact that people should apologize out loud even though they knew they meant no harm is frustrating maybe to people who find apologies uncomfortable to make but it is not proof that the country is getting dumber or that certain people ought to stop getting offended. 

It's just a reflection on the fact that people can't read minds and so a little diplomacy is required, and it applies in all social contexts, not just "social justice" ones. 

Don't assume people can read your mind and know you meant no offense.  They can't read your mind and so unless you tell them they'll be left to wonder.

bacon1431

January 9th, 2020 at 4:44 PM ^

Yep. In fact, I think the reason why players and the talking heads aren't calling for him to be fired is because he came out and said that his words were harmful. He acknowledged that and apologized multiple times. He may have said that he didn't mean to say it, but he confronted the issue head on. 

Holmdel

January 9th, 2020 at 4:53 PM ^

In a perfect world, people who believed that people of color are too easily offended would be made to spend a solid year as a person of color.  I think that would probably fix that.  I say this as an incredibly white person whose incredibly white grandparents went to their graves bitterly resentful of the social injustices they experienced as Catholics in Belfast.

Z_Wolverista

January 10th, 2020 at 10:34 AM ^

Logged in to upvote.

I'm sure many of my takes would get me called a snowflake.

I'm not sure if Beilein really just experienced a meaningless -- possibly age-related -- word mix-up, easy enough to commit even by the most veteran of public speakers OR if this was a (possibly age-related) Freudian slip showing his true colors <coff>, despite decades of good work with Black folk and other people of color.

In other words, was this just a cigar.

If *not* -- if the slip-up did betray something more sinister --  believing him would require him being in some amount of self-denial.

Also plausible.

I do want to believe his explanation, and that the substitution was meaningless, having followed him for years.

Either way, I think he's taken measures to show he understands the gravity of the mistake, and towards making whole with those most directly affected -- the players.

In the end, they're the ones who have to decide what rings true. Hopefully while factoring his reputation and track record, especially around race and working with former players of color, into the equation.

I do think it's possible to successfully work with people from a disaffected community while still holding the belief that there are "good" ____________s (fill in the blank) and "not so good" ___________s. (A stand up did a show on this, Good Muslim / Bad Muslim. I think there's a book too.)

Hopefully that's not the case here. And if so -- well, it's never too late for a little self-reflection.

Then you move on.

All the world's luck to him -- and them. Much love ♥

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

RAH

January 9th, 2020 at 11:21 PM ^

"This analysis of John's faux pas is dumb, esp. once we look at context. They haven't been playing hard, they haven't been pummeling people--that was not John's complaint. It was that they'd been going through the motions. Does that correspond to the word slug or to the word thug?"

I think this observation is exactly right. I don't know why it is getting so many negs.

Blucifer

January 10th, 2020 at 9:32 AM ^

I work from home and have the luxury of watching all the talking sports heads discuss this stuff all day, and I didn't hear a single person say anything other than, "John Beilein is a good man who made a mistake." I'm also a liberal MSNBC watcher, and this story got almost zero coverage there. So it's not apparent to me at all that liberals "don't get it" or that there's anything else at play here other than Beilein made a mistake for which he was very contrite. The only reason this is really a story is because the Cavs are terrible and when first year coaches struggle every wrong move they make is a potential reason for firing. If the Cavs were a winning team and this happened after a single losing game, this would be a total non-story. 

The problem isn't liberals in bubbles. It's everyone in bubbles.

outsidethebox

January 9th, 2020 at 3:01 PM ^

1. Here is what people of color know-not think, they know this as fact: Nobody misspeaks in such a manner. Nobody. 

2. Offensive rebounding is at an all-time low because the shots are taken when nobody is in position to rebound-and when the shots do go up nobody is heading for the prime rebounding positions. 

3. Isaiah may well be significantly underrated. 

4. Mr. Brown...Mr. Christopher...y'all come now.

MGolem

January 9th, 2020 at 3:31 PM ^

Seeing Livers rated so low just continues to show that no matter how much info is out there to absorb people continue to miss it. Livers is shooting 50% from 3. He is an excellent defender and a solid rebounder. With those abilities he could likely start, and contribute, on an NBA roster right now. Amazing to see all these picks based on future production while ignoring how effective guys like Duncan Robinson and Davis Bertans are in the league today. 

ak47

January 9th, 2020 at 3:23 PM ^

The NBA load management move is a thing for the playoffs. Elite teams don't care about regular season wins. Teams like the Heat are playing to do well in the regular season, teams like the Clippers are playing to win a championship, of course they are going to approach load management differently.

Sambojangles

January 9th, 2020 at 3:53 PM ^

I don't really follow the NBA, so I want to ask - are NBA teams actually sitting/rotating through all the players on their roster, or just the older players and/or stars? I first heard the complaining about it with Duncan, then Lebron and others, now Kawhi. 

It can both be true that the Heat, with no big name players and a roster that doesn't have a ton of "miles" on it, can afford to push guys harder than other teams, who need to save minutes for the players who go deep in the playoffs year after year. 

I get why fans are frustrated when they don't get to see their favorite players every day, especially if they have invested in tickets. However, it's unreasonable to expect players to do more than their body can handle, when it's not in the best long-term interest of the team. In other sports, especially baseball and soccer, players get days off for rest and having a deep roster is part of the culture of the sport and built into the expectations of the fans. People who watch basketball will adapt.