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247, Scout Update 2017 Rankings

The spring/summer camp season culminated with The Opening finals, and as prospects turn their attention to the upcoming season, the recruiting sites are updating their rankings. Scout and 247 both released new rankings over the last week, and while Michigan lost their only composite five-star, there were quite a few positive developments.

QB Dylan McCaffrey was good, but not great, at The Opening, and that was enough to drop him from #39 to #101 overall on Scout and from #30 to #54 on 247. He's now the #39 overall player on the 247 Composite, 12 spots away from regaining five-star status.

DE Luiji Vilain moved up nine spots to #85 on 247 and held steady at #138 on Scout. Making incremental gains—and avoiding small drops—is tougher the higher a player is ranked, especially when there's significant movement like there is in the post-camp re-ranks; Vilain inching up the composite (to #96) is impressive in that context.

The same principle applies to DT Aubrey Solomon, who dropped nine spots to #216 on 247 and two spots to #129 on Scout. LB Josh Ross had a more significant fall, moving down 16 spots to #193 on 247 and an even hundred spots to #228 on Scout.

The most significant split is over CB Benjamin St-Juste, whose star turn at The Opening earned him a massive jump from three stars all the way to #92 overall on 247; Scout, meanwhile, kept him as a three-star, only giving him a four-spot bump to #32 in their cornerback position rankings. The point of contention doesn't seem to be the quality of his camp performances—those were praised by both sites—but the dearth of other information on the Canadian prospect; if he played his high school ball in, say, Florida, I don't think there's much doubt he'd be a solid four-star.

There's a similar difference of opinion on RB AJ Dillon, who vaulted 112 spots to #99 overall on 247 while remaining a three-star on Scout. Again, weighing camp performances against quality of high school competition could be an issue here—Dillon doesn't face high-level foes in Massachusetts.

DE Corey Malone-Hatcher and OT JaRaymond Hall both dropped out of the Top247; Malone-Hatcher is still a four-star at #260 overall, while Hall lost a star in dropping down to #370. Both took less drastic tumbles on Scout, landing at #248 (Hall) and #296 (CMH).

OT Kai-Leon Herbert stayed at #180 on Scout and didn't crack the Top247. 247 still hasn't updated Herbert's ranking, but Barton Simmons indicated on their board that Herbert is in line to move up from his outdated, middling three-star ranking:

Good player. Size/Strength keeps him out of the Top247 for now. He's athletic. Will be a guy to monitor.

He should get a bump once 247 updates rankings of guys beyond the Top247.

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Solomon To Take Visits

Aubrey Solomon's commitment last month took everyone by surprise, and we assumed at the time that Michigan would have to fight to hold onto him. The bad news is he plans to take all five of his official visits, as well as an unofficial to LSU this weekend. The good news is Michigan is getting one of his officials, and he doesn't sound over the moon about the other schools on the list, per 247's Ryan Bartow:

USC: "I hear from them sometimes. Not too much. I was born in Fresno, California so that's my 'dream team' growing up."

Oregon: "That's one of my favorites growing up. I like their swagger."

Florida: "I feel like I owe them one. They were my leader at one point."

Clemson: "They really turned their program around."

We should get a better idea of how firm Solomon's commitment is after his LSU visit; for now, I'm not seeing too much reason for concern.

Five-Star Updates: M Gaining Ground For Browning

Steve Lorenz's latest Inside Michigan Recruiting post contained an encouraging update on five-star TX OLB Baron Browning:

"Michigan's in his very, very top group," the source said. "At worst they are running third right now. He had a great visit to Michigan and his brother's connection to Coach Harbaugh remains strong and has helped them."

Overall, it appears Michigan is trending upwards with the player most believe is the best linebacker prospect in the country. UCLA, Texas and Ohio State are among those that remain serious contenders at this point.

Steve had previously downplayed Michigan's chances with Browning, so this looks significant.

NY OT Isaiah Wilson, who dropped two spots away from composite five-star status after the latest updates, has Michigan in his top five and set an offical to Ann Arbor, per 247's Alex Gleitman:

"As of right now I have three [official visits] scheduled and I still need to schedule two more," he told 247Sports. "My three I have scheduled are to Michigan, Alabama, and Georgia. The other two, I don't know. It could be [LSU and USC], but there's still one other school that could come in that could make those other two more questionable."

Wilson has visited Georgia on an unofficial this summer and will do the same to Alabama this weekend; he's looking to come to Michigan for the BBQ in August if he can arrange transportation.

Etc.

Four-star CT WR Tarik Black has Michigan among the six schools he's considering for his five official visits, per Scout's Brian Dohn. He could get back-burnered by Michigan, which is shooting for Donovan Peoples-Jones and Nico Collins and recently offered Oliver Martin, who climbed all the way to #67 overall on 247 after his breakout camp season.

Four-star VA S Jonathan Sunderland will decide on Saturday between Boston College, Michigan, Penn State, and Syracuse. He doesn't appear to be a take for the staff right now and Penn State has emerged as the favorite to land him.

Four-star 2018 (soft) commit Leonard Taylor will be at Ohio State's Friday Night Lights camp tomorrow.

Comments

Monkey House

July 21st, 2016 at 3:27 PM ^

so rankings after camps move people up and down. some don't offer a 4th star after said player is dynamite at the camp because he comes from a part of the country(or in Canada) that doesn't get scouted much? rankings are stupid.

The Oracle

July 21st, 2016 at 3:30 PM ^

It's probably paranoia, but I'm wondering if anti-Harbaugh bias has anything to do with these guys being downgraded after they commit.

Prince Lover

July 22nd, 2016 at 1:38 AM ^

My parents had HBO when it first started( yes I remember pre-cable, AND pre- remote control) and at one point in its early history, they made a movie with Dennis Hopper as the main character( a drug runner) where the ad for it always included the clip where he gets surrounded in his plane by police and he raises his hands and says, "Is it my singing or do you not like my song" in his Dennis Hopper twang. Every time since then, maybe 25+ years, any time someone says something about my singing, yes, I sing, I always ask that in his twang, eagerly awaiting someone to recognize my super obscure reference.....

M-Dog

July 21st, 2016 at 3:50 PM ^

"if he (St-Juste) played his high school ball in, say, Florida, I don't think there's much doubt he'd be a solid four-star."
 
"weighing camp performances against quality of high school competition could be an issue here—Dillon doesn't face high-level foes in Massachusetts."

These are really dissapointing quotes about the recruiting services.  It's their job to be able to evaluate kids that are not just in the top programs in the Southeast, TX,and CA.  

Anybody can pick the top performers in the big high schools in those areas and say they are your 4 and 5 stars.     

If the under the radar guys are under their radar too, what significant value are these services really providing?

WolvinLA2

July 21st, 2016 at 4:12 PM ^

Just because "it's their job" to evaluate kids everywhere doesn't mean it's as easy or practical to do so. It's the job of an NFL scout to scout everyone as well, but that doesn't mean players at Hillsdale will get scouted as heavily as kids at Alabama. These sites are still limited by the number of scouts they employ and the ones they do will spend most of their time in areas and at high schools that produce the most and the best prospects. The lack of time spent in MA says less about the recruiting sites and more about he overall quality in MA. Additionally, it's difficult to scout a kid playing against poor competition. I looked like a D1 player in high school the week we played Northview, even though I wasn't close. Some prospects play Northview every week, so it's difficult to say whether that guy is a legit player who just happens to play weak competition or if he's an average player who looks legit because he plays weak competition.

Oscar

July 21st, 2016 at 10:04 PM ^

"Especially when the recruit plays CB, which doesn't require pads to learn a lot about the kid." Granted you can tell more from a camp for skill position players, I'm guessing there is still a whole lot of football skills that cannot be judged from the camp. Do they even do tackling drills, shred blocking drills, zone coverage drills?

Kevin13

July 21st, 2016 at 4:56 PM ^

playing in actual games in pads are two different things. It's easier to evaluate a kid playing against good competition in those fertile grounds then watching an athletic kid play against inferior competition. No matter how good he looks you wonder if part of it is because his competition is not very good.

 

Tons of kids out there and evaluation can vary greatly depending on how the kid looks each day, his competition and sometimes who is recruiting him. 

Lots of good kids get missed all the time though, because they do play in a state that isn't thought of as a football powerhouse, or maybe their parents can afford to send them to all these camps where they can be scouted.

Mr Miggle

July 21st, 2016 at 6:49 PM ^

They're from someone making educated guesses. It could be they are going to keep a close eye on those players in the fall and are waiting to see a confirmation of their camp performances. I think that would be reasonable.

Either way, it doesn't make any difference.

Blue_Blooded92

July 21st, 2016 at 4:03 PM ^

I could be crazy/wrong, but it looked as if St. Juste was getting beat with some consistency to the inside, particularly on slants. Perhaps it has something to do with the fact that you can't be as physical when you're not wearing pads, but if I had his length, I'd do whatever I could to force guys to the sideline, then use my size to jump routes (as he evidenced he could do on a few plays).

Kevin13

July 21st, 2016 at 4:58 PM ^

to really evaluate much with him as it seemed to be filmed from the grassy knoll. Tough to tell what his technique really looked liked. As far as getting beat on slants, some could be due to the coverage they were playing and him expecting more help inside, like maybe a backer dropping into that zone.

Rabbit21

July 25th, 2016 at 5:18 PM ^

Two things here:

1.  If I was in his situation, I would absolutely take those visits even if I knew exactly where I was going to go.  

2.  The staff seems to be comfortable with guys taking visits elsewhere and are confident in their approach.  It's not like Harbaugh's going to stop recruiting Defensive Linemen, so while I really want Solomon to stay in the class and think that he will, I don't think him deciding to go elsewhere is going to leave the staff flat footed like the previous one always was.