Open-ish Practice Recap Comment Count

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when in doubt, picture of Peppers [Upchurch]

Maybe 500 students gathered for an open-ish practice on Saturday. Approximately all of them were dragooned by local media. We got an inside report from MGoUser Crisler Spidey; the thread on the board has maybe a dozen different takes as well. Blockquotes without links in the rest of this post are snippets from Spidey*. He would like you to follow him on twitter.

If Jim Harbaugh's goal is to spawn the next generation of Michigan sports journalists, he's off to a good start.

*[Sometimes the combination of the internet, paranoid coaches, and football is just terrific.]

Ding dings and boo boos

In order of concern: minor, middling, a bit worried. A finger issue should clear up by the Utah game and wouldn't prevent Darboh from playing in any case; a shoulder/arm thing could be something that heals quickly or not; crutches are generally not good.

In addition:

  • Jourdan Lewis was dressed but did not participate. With various dudes in injury-indicating red shirts I would assume that means Lewis is obviously a starter they'd rather try to find their second corner with live-fire reps.
  • Tyrone Wheatley Jr was on crutches, but we knew that he had hurt himself already.
  • Spidey* caught this subtle thing: "Brian Cole, Karan Higdon, and DaMario Jones were all in uniform, but wearing running shoes instead of cleats. They participated in some drills, but not the scrimmage."
  • He also said Jarrod Wilson and Mike McCray were both in red no-contact jerseys but dressed.
  • Drake Johnson didn't play.

I wouldn't freak about the rather long list of names here; this is the point in camp where they've just come off weeks of punishing two-a-days and are trying to get everyone in reasonable shape before Utah.

Quarterback

Literally every report I have seen coming out of the scrimmage says it's Rudock, and it's not close. Here's Spidey's version:

Rudock looked far and away the better player, hitting his receivers with consistency and even getting a good scramble from time to time. Morris looked like Morris, consistently bombing it over his receivers' heads.

Also:

Let me reiterate how much better Rudock was than Morris. This does not appear to be a very close race at all. Rudock was connecting with all of his receivers, especially Harris and Butt.

A report from Scout:

Rudock got the great majority of the snaps with the first unit. Described as more athletic than what might have been thought coming in.. "A guy who may not win the game but certainly won't lose it."  Performed much better than Morris, especially when evaluated with regard to poise, delivery of ball to the right spots and working through progressions.

The difference must have leapt off the field to those in attendance, because many of these takes are emphatic. Most of the passing was quick rhythm WCO stuff, which plays into Rudock's strengths—he's very accurate.

As far as Morris goes:

Morris still has a rocket for an arm, and he overthrew senior wide receiver Jehu Chesson past the end zone and into the crowd.

"Same old stuff" was another take. Reports from camp have been more positive than those originating from Saturday's scrimmage, so it's possible the students just caught him on an off day.

Wilton Speight got time with the third team late.

Also, Zach Gentry is enormous. That is all.

Running back

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[Patrick Barron]

De'Veon Smith was your tentative #1 with Ty Isaac rotating in behind him and Derrick Green getting time with the second unit. Ross Taylor-Douglas made a few appearances with the second team as well, so 1) that's what position he's playing today and 2) Drake Johnson does not seem full go yet.

Kerridge was the fullback; Chase Winovich was the second option there. Winovich lined up as an H-back in the spring game and would likely reprise that role; he's not going to be as effective as Kerridge is as a linebacker deterrent.

Wide receiver & tight end

With Darboh out Jehu Chesson and Drake Harris were the first team guys, which is an indicator that Harris is for real unless his hamstring betrays him again. It does not give us much insight into exactly how much hype we should buy into—if Darboh was playing and Harris was out there in front of Chesson that would be time to (gingerly, oh so gingerly) ring the cathedral bells.

The scrimmage also gave further confirmation that Grant Perry is the starting slot receiver and that Jake Butt is going to be relied upon heavily in the passing game. Moe Ways seems like the #4 guy at the moment.

Tight ends:

Jake Butt and Ian Bunting were first team tight ends, and Khalid Hill and Henry Poggi were actually the second team tight ends.

No AJ Williams is notable since there weren't any reports he was injured. Also notable is that Bunting got a number of snaps in 2TE sets with the starters. If his ability as a receiver is enough to offset what I imagine is still some pretty iffy blocking at 245-ish, that is encouraging.

Offensive line

Asking anyone to interpret OL performance without the benefit of replay from field level is folly. Nobody tried. The one note of interest is that the OL was as expected (Cole-Braden-Glasgow-Kalis-Magnuson) the whole time until late, when Dawson replaced Braden for a bit. With Kugler out Dawson is likely your sixth OL no matter what… and Braden's the guy most under threat.

Spidey caught the second team OL, one with some switches from earlier:

2nd team O-Line was LTT-Dawson-Bars-Pliska-JBB.

Kugler was out, remember. Previously Bars had been repping at RT and Bushell-Beatty at RG.

Defensive Line

Spidey:

1st team tackles were Ryan Glasgow and Matt Godin, with Mo Hurst coming in as well. Hurst played second team with Tom Strobel it appeared.

Interesting thing: seems to be that Willie Henry has moved to defensive end. He was playing opposite Mario Ojemudia. Chris Wormley also took snaps with the first team defensive ends. Second team was RJS and Taco Charlton.

That would be bonkers if that's long term. Godin received a reasonable amount of time and did pretty well with it in spots (he was disruptive against Northwestern), but moving guys away from defensive tackle after the Mone injury would be odd. Especially since that would boot Wormley to the second team. As experiments go this one doesn't seem likely to skip.

FWIW, it doesn't seem like the Henry move is indicative of an actual 3-4:

We'll see how it shakes out. I do think Godin is a legit player. Strobel's presence on the two deep as a DT is a bit alarming since he's listed at 6'6", 270 and was recently bounced to tight end, which didn't take. For whatever reason he's played mostly DT at Michigan despite a build that strongly suggests SDE in an under, which is a spot at which Michigan could use some depth. Instead he's playing inside and they're goofing with Henry outside. I dunno man.

Linebacker

As expected: Ross, Morgan, Bolden. There were occasional dime packages on which Morgan was the only LB. Gedeon rotated in with the first team frequently.

Secondary

With Lewis held out the starting corners were Channing Stribling and Jeremy Clark—possibly a reason that the passing game was much more effective than the run game. I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin'. Max Bultman paid attention to Clark and thought he was all right:

Clark covered Chesson most of the night and looked solid. He was never beat deep, but with Darboh out, he wasn't covering a true No. 1 outside.

Disposition of Peppers was the same as it was in spring:

Jarrod Wilson and Jabrill Peppers were the safeties, and on nickel packages, they pushed Peppers to nickelback, with Delano Hill coming in as another safety.

Second team:

Second team secondary saw Keith Washington and Brandon Watson at corner, Wayne Lyons playing safety with Dymonte Thomas, and Terry Richardson at nickel.

Losing Blake Countess is going to rankle if Lyons isn't even playing cornerback. No idea what that says about anything. If things aren't going well they do have the option of moving Peppers to boundary and using Hill as a full-time starter. They clearly do not want to do that.

Special Teams

Reports on the kicking game varied. (As per the spring game, there were no punts.) Freshman scholarship kicker Andrew David did not make an appearance; walk-ons Kyle Seychel and Kenny Allen were either wobbly or fine. Bultman:

Senior Kenny Allen and sophomore Kyle Seychel both took field goals, but neither was very consistent. Seychel appeared to have the bigger leg, but his misses were also by a wider distance than Allen's.

That last sentence is a miserable way to measure kicker competency, but reports on the board were relatively sanguine about field goals, with one guy saying 6/8 were made.

General

Sounds like the Harbaughffense:

Formations were mostly under center with singleback or I-form, shifting the fullbacks and tight ends all over the place. Slot receivers were usually just tight ends who motioned out the slot.

That might be a reason Bunting got significant time. He is a threat split out.

Comments

hunterjoe

August 24th, 2015 at 1:16 PM ^

I'm no expert.  But I hurt my hammy this summer playing sofball.  Yeah, I'm an old, fat, out of shape guy.  While I'm not really limited right now, I still notice it.  It gets tight/sore without even doing anything to it.  So, yeah, I could see how it could linger.  I'm sure someone who actually uses theirs on a regular basis and even "beats on it" a bit could have issues for a long time.  

sj

August 24th, 2015 at 12:09 PM ^

"The scrimmage also gave further confirmation that Grant Perry is the starting slot receiver." Isn't it more likely that Canteen is clearly the starting slot and they held him out either because of injury or to look more at Perry?

EGD

August 24th, 2015 at 12:37 PM ^

The thing about Canteen is, he was supposed to be a high-floor guy.  He went to that football-first ECA high school, and was supposed to be a great route-runner, all polished and ready to play from day one.  But the Canteen we saw last year was ... not that.  And now he's being moved to corner.

I hope he can contribute down the line on defense, or at least on special teams.  The chances of him being a major factor seem pretty slim to me at this point though.

 

EGD

August 24th, 2015 at 12:55 PM ^

Yeah, I know.  I don't normally like to write posts like that one; even if I've kind of given up on a particular guy, I usually just keep it to myself.  But you're right--he could have just been overwhelmed with the transition to college ball (or even just to college in general), could have been less than 100% healthy, might not have been getting the proper coaching, etc., so there are lots of reasons he might not have been very impressive as a true freshman.  Hopefully he does improve and have a chance to break through later on.

alum96

August 24th, 2015 at 1:59 PM ^

Canteen - like Norfleet was massively hyped on this site due to "jungle beats" and 3 weeks spring hype from a bunch of practices almost no one saw.

Dude was a true freshman who if did not have "fancy footwork youtube video" or 2 weeks of hype would have done what almost every freshmam Wr not in the top 50 is expected to do - redshirt and be seen in year 2 or 3.

The average UM fan has no idea who Freddy Canteen is - he was not a Green or Peppers or heck Kalis level recruit.  People on this blog do, due to the hype we give to 3-4 players every year based on little. 

Going farther back then that if we had a competent staff who developed players we'd have counted on DeMario Jones and Jaron Dukes to support Funchess and Chesson and Darboh not praying for a freshman to show up and do it Treadwell style.

I think you can see a player's path end of year 2 (non lineman) or year 3 (lineman).  Not going to judge a true freshman who was way undersized for not performing for a sad sack staff.

EGD

August 24th, 2015 at 2:06 PM ^

Okay, but Canteen did have the fancy footwork thing.  And more significantly, he's one of the Eastern Christian Academy guys.  I thought the advanced coaching he received (or, at least, that I presumed he would have received) would have made a bigger difference.  If a guy is hyped because of speed or strength or some other physical characteristic, then yeah--it can take a while to translate that into performance on a football field.  But the Canteen hype was based on route-running ability and technical proficiency.  He was supposed to be a guy with average athletic ability but finely-honed skills.  If he doesn't have the finely-honed skills, then where does that leave him?

93Grad

August 24th, 2015 at 1:23 PM ^

I guess we should be used to guys not matching their practice/recruting hype because we have seen that in spades over the last few years, but it is still disappointing to hear. 

LKLIII

August 24th, 2015 at 3:02 PM ^

As with all switches of this type, the big issue it seems we're trying to figure out is: does this bode well for the slot (Perry was enough to move Cantern to CB)? Or does this bode ill for CB (CB was so bad they needed Canteen and Perry is just "next man up" for slot)?



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gwkrlghl

August 24th, 2015 at 12:10 PM ^

No AJ Williams is notable since there weren't any reports he was injured.
Not to be overly blunt to the young man, but it's about time. AJ Williams has never been good so to see that he may be the #5 TE is kind of a relief. I'm guessing Harbaugh sees what everyone else except Brady Hoke could see

CRISPed in the DIAG

August 24th, 2015 at 12:14 PM ^

Have we heard anything concerning or negative about Morris or his fall camp performance? In all likelihood, most comments in camp are going to be positive.  Espescially w/r/t a guy who really needs his mojo.

evenyoubrutus

August 24th, 2015 at 12:18 PM ^

Maybe Morris's issue is he just doesn't handle pressure well.  That's not meant to be a slam, some people just get the shakes and lose focus when they fell the pressure (I'm speaking from personal experience).  Just seems like all these reports that Morris looks so good in practice, and seemed confident until Rudock passed him causing his game to take a dip, and now he struggled when he got in front of the fans (as he did last year) just makes it seem that way. Another reason I wish he could have redshirted.  If that is indeed the case, some people are able to outgrow it.

Leonhall

August 24th, 2015 at 12:51 PM ^

but without sounding negative the problems Shane is supposedly having, 'accuracy' has been his problem as far back as HS. He's always had the big arm but has struggled with making mistakes and accuracy. I don't think any of this is a new development, and like many, didn't receive tremendous coaching over the past 3 seasons...or so it seems.

LiveFromAA

August 24th, 2015 at 12:56 PM ^

Well, yes. He could need a lot of actual coaching, at which point you hope the clock isn't running out. He could also just not be that good. Not everyone pans out no matter how badly we wish they would.

dnak438

August 24th, 2015 at 2:05 PM ^

The quality of Shane's coaching has increased one hundred fold. The kid has had three offensive coordinators in three years. Not that his accuracy issues come from that, but a stable coaching situation and having one of the best QB coaches in the sport can't hurt. I think there is some room for guarded optimism. The good thing is that there's lots of competition now so if Shane doesn't pan out it won't kill the team for a season or two.

Leonhall

August 24th, 2015 at 2:42 PM ^

and while I hate to see youngsters come in with so much hype and go through 4 years and never develop, I'm not worried about the future of UM quarterbacks. Harbaugh I'm sure has helped him immensely, but he has also only been here for 8 months and Shane is already a Junior. Same story can be said for a defensive player, Dymonte Thomas...came in with a lot of ability and potential, but hasn't ever figured it out...

Maize and Blue…

August 24th, 2015 at 4:42 PM ^

moving from HS to college is difficult enough without having to move back in the defense.  He was primarily a LB in HS and had little to no coverage responsibilities.  He has had learn a whole new skill set and this seldom works out well for the player.  Saying he has not figured it out isn't fair.

Leonhall

August 24th, 2015 at 2:40 PM ^

be right with that assertion, but I don't see any new problems for Shane regardless of who is protecting him. If you remember his start as a freshman, it included about 20 3-4 yard dump offs and screens....he has struggled with accuracy or not having touch on his throws. Last season when he did step up or did have an open receiver, and even in the spring game, he often times missled it 150 MPH it seemed...

EGD

August 24th, 2015 at 12:18 PM ^

Some possible theories on Henry playing DE in the scrimmage (all of which are probably wrong):

1) They want to get Henry some reps at DE because they are planning to call some stunts and zone pressures that will require him to execute DE-type duties on particular plays

2) They wanted to see if some of the other DTs behind Henry can play, but still get Henry reps in the live scrimmage

3) They just want to fuck with people (opposing scouts, media, fans, etc.)

4) They wanted to see what the QBs and receivers could do and the actual DEs were getting too much pressure

JeepinBen

August 24th, 2015 at 12:28 PM ^

I agree, I think the plan might be to see who can do what. The coaches talked about a nose playing the 1 tech, or 0, or shading, etc. Same with DTs and DEs. They've talked about knowing techniques rather than "positions". Maybe they wanted DTs to get better rush samples against the tackles? Maybe everyone was tearing up Braden and thus Strobel went against him most of the day?

I think the DL is going to be very multiple, in formation, personnel, etc. Probably just getting work in.

Ma1zeandB1ue

August 24th, 2015 at 12:18 PM ^

One thing that surprised me at the open practice was not only Drake's return to a prominent offensive role, but his blocking ability on more than one occassion.  He is still skinny as a rail, but he held his own blocking downfield.  Really hoping to see him have a successful year after these naggin injuries.

RuebenRileyonRye

August 24th, 2015 at 1:55 PM ^

Harris was a major recruit that made a very easily butthurt Dantonio even more butthurt, but Izzo was pretty pissed that he chose Michigan over MSU. If he didn't quit basketball, he had a shot at Mr. Basketball too. He's an incredible athlete. Don't forget and I keep saying don't be surprised. He's legit. We just haven't seen him since he was a junior in high school. I still think he may someday sport AC's old number.