Doesn't the other thread say that Green is the starting RB?
Hoke was top notch at this aspect of his job.
Dance if you're the starting slot receiver.
Michigan released their game notes for Appalachian State, and they contain the depth chart as it stands right now. Keep in mind that OL Graham Glasgow (suspension), TE Jake Butt (knee), and S Delano Hill (jaw) are omitted—Hill is the only one of the three who could potentially be cleared for action by Saturday.
|MICHIGAN OFFICIAL DEPTH CHART (as of 8/25)|
|QB||D. Gardner||S. Morris|
|RB||D. Green||D. Smith||
D. Johnson OR
|FB||J. Kerridge||S. Houma|
|WR||D. Funchess||A. Darboh|
|WR||J. Chesson||F. Canteen|
|Slot||D. Norfleet||B. Dever|
|TE||A.J. Williams||K. Hill|
|LT||M. Cole||E. Magnuson|
|LG||E. Magnuson||K. Bosch|
|C||J. Miller||P. Kugler|
J. Burzynski OR
|RT||B. Braden||L. Tuley-Tillman|
|SDE||B. Beyer||T. Charlton|
B. Mone OR
|DT||W. Henry||M. Godin|
|WDE||F. Clark||M. Ojemudia|
J. Ryan OR
J. Bolden OR
R. Jenkins-Stone OR
|FS||J. Wilson||A. J. Pearson|
|SS||J. Clark||D. Thomas|
T. Richardson OR
R. Taylor OR
|Nickel||J. Peppers||D. HOLLOWELL|
|P||W. Hagerup||M. Wile|
|K||M. Wile||K. Allen|
|PR||J. Peppers||D. Norfleet|
|KR||D. Norfleet||J. Hayes|
|LS||S. Sypniewski||A. Robinson|
|H||K. Allen||S. Morris|
[Overanalysis section, after the jump]
Before delving into analysis of the enormous ramifications of this depth chart, a reminder: Michigan listed Devin Funchess as the #4 TE on the depth chart for much of his freshman year, and heading into the 2012 opener Ricky Barnum and Elliott Mealer swapped spots on the starting O-line seemingly hours before kickoff. These things tend to be fluid.
That said, let the breathless overanalysis begin:
Doesn't the other thread say that Green is the starting RB?
Is this something required of Ft. Schembechler ? Does Brady do this to motivate players?
So the media stops bugging him about it. Now he can point to this depth chart, rattle off some coach speak about everyone working, and move on. Doesn't have to think how do I say this without the media taking it the wrong way. He can just point to the depth chart.
I think the official depth chart lists Green as starting RB?
Says Green is the starter, not Smith. You need to check your depth chart.
Poor damn Keith Heitzman
I guess Pipkins still has some recovering to do. Understandable.
by the Wormley and Hurst omissions...
Glasgow is really surprising considering his lack of PT last year. Seems odd, maybe he has hulked up.
Godin has gotten a fair bit of praise since spring.
Who is AJ Pearson?
Walk on safety...
Actually got a mention from hoke when Delano originally went down.
Had to take 5 minutes to find out who Aj Pearson was.
I don't think that anything on this depth chart really worried me. Way I see it, with all of the talent at every position, whoever comes out as the starter must be good. As far as the offensive line, Glasgow will give us a boost in week two and I actually saw some improvement in the scrimmage where the advantage was clearly with the defense.
I feel like Glasgow starting is one of those Hoke starters that didnt have the talent but out-effort everyone...until we get into league play and the talent difference becomes too great not to notice.
Certainly not being a downer on Glasgow, I love Kovacs and RVB-types, just can't wait for our prized recruits to grow a little more and start taking the spots they were supposed to take (general roster analysis of youth).
its fair to include RVB with Glasgow and Kovacs unless you just mean gritty white guy. RVB was a pretty well regarded recruit. 4 star to both Rivals and Scout. 51 nationally to Scout.
No, I definitely meant talent level (but yes, they were all gritty white guys...). Good point with RVB, I included him in there as I didn't pay much attention to him until his big senior year when Hoke and Mattison came in.
Point to you sir!
You can sub any other, ie. Burzynski, Brink...etc along the lines and as gritty white guys. :)
really surprised where Canteen is, given all of the preseason hype and that he isn't even on the chart for slot
dropped a couple in the open scrimmage IIRC.
He's listed as a second string WR as a true frosh. That's really good, considering we have some good, experienced receivers on the roster.
he played enough last year to qualify as experienced, I think
I just meant that we have a number of guys who have see a college field before, and Canteen has not. Experienced, in this context, just means "has experience" as opposed to "has none." My point is, it's not like Canteen got beat out by another rookie, he is only sitting behind one guy, and that guy has caught a touchdown in a college football game. In terms of "experience," Chesson sure has a edge over Canteen, wouldn't you say?
Chesson played important snaps in every game, and a 3rd receiver with a secure spot is basically a starter in modern football. the fact that he was less productive than Gallon and Funchess doesnt make him inexperienced. especially since he has shown such an affinity for the less glamorous parts of the position.
youre really moving the goalposts. you say 15 receptions makes him inexperienced, yet you assert he was behind 2 guys that had fewer receptions than Chesson combined. which in addition to being completely opposite your point at first, is in fact a downright lie.
He spent the entire conference season there. That's okay. I'll bet he's still be called a TE in most of the NFL draft analysis.
Look, I told you what I meant by "experienced" and that is 'has experience." If you want to use it in a different context and have a conversation with yourself, go for it.
It's not terribly uncommon for the opening week depth chart to have the returning player who played last year to be above the guy who didn't. Are there exceptions? Of course. Might that change over the course of the season? You bet.
But it doesn't say anything bad about Canteen because he's #2 behind a guy who played a lot last year and looked good doing it.
I've said it before, but not knowing where to line up, or being sure of the playbook (especially hot adjustments) but still doing well because you are just that physically gifted flies in practices and scrimmages, but it doesn't fly in games. He was still kind of iffy looking in the sUTL as far as really understanding his role in the offense. A wrong read or adjustment in a game could be disasterous (i.e. pick six).
I expect him to up his playing time as the season goes on and he gets more comfortable in Nuss's system.
I think the consensus is more that he'll play this season, and even factor, than start the first game. As a freshman who didn't play many games in HS he's got a LOT to pick up, but if he's up to the task he may be in and out of the rotation by B1G play. I reaaally doubt they'll redshirt him.
i bet that either hurst or wormley plays more snaps than r. glasgow on saturday.
I'd take that bet. Hoke seems to really like Ryan Glasgow. Now, by the end of the year Hurst, Pipkins and Mone might pass him but I would bet Glasgow plays more than both of the players you mentioned above this coming Saturday.
From all insider accounts, Ryan glasgow is a legit player, like his brother
I mentioned this in the first depth chart thread but he is a very large human (6'4", 296) that is reportedly one of the strongest players on the entire team. If he does end up starting and playing a lot, I view that as a positive. He came in as a walk-on and beat out several higher rated scholarship players. It could be Hokespeak but I think he is going to be heavily involved in our defense this year.
and had all of two tackles.
Give me a break. He was a RS freshman that had 2 tackles in 11 games. In Ondre Pipkins first year, he played in 13 games and only had 7 tackles. But Glasgow is a walk-on so...yeah.
Yeah - college football fans have a tendency to do this. Every year people insisted that Kovacs wasn't going to start because one of our scholarship safeties was sure to pass him. Last year people were more worried about Glasgow starting than Kalis, even though he consistently outplayed him and is older.
I hope Ryan Glasgow turns out to be a super star. He has more eligibility left than Pipkins anyway.
That they weren't your standard PWOs either. They were guys that had some scholarship offers, but simply hadn't played football more than a season or two. They came in very raw but very large. Their ceilings were much higher than your standard PWO.
Former UM offensive lineman and Chicago Bear player in the Ditka era. Becker knows a thing or two about football and was very high on the Glasgows. That was covered here in the Chicago area papers and got my attention.
tackles on the interior is the greatest measurement of how well someone's playing there. Playing sound technique, occupying OLs who might otherwise release, keeping LBs clean, helping to collapse pocket, penetrating a gap, and so forth may be more important. Obviously tackles are nice, but seems like someone who could consistently do the above would still be a good player, particularly if you have solid LBs behind. Not saying that Glasgow is that guy but speaking generally about interior DL.
Would be interested to hear from a coach on what a staff would look at when grading out a 1 tech.
Measuring interior D-Linemen on tackles is like measuring Linebackers on PBUs. It's a nice stat they they should certainly get on an occasion but it's certainly not the de facto indicator on how well they're playing the position.
It's very possible Glasgow is just good. I think most of us would love to have been able to keep Heininger a few more years. He was solid
"The only true freshmen on the two-deep are Mason Cole, Canteen, Mone, and Peppers. This is major progress from the last few seasons."
That's the best bullet point in the whole post. With the exception to Cole (who may be good enough to play as a freshman. But freshman OL are meh), The only freshman looking to get playing time look to be the ones who are good enough to play and not just playing because they don't have anybody else to put there. Redshirt the rest and let's keep this thing going.
Hear Hear. Every time I have to have a conversation that includes me going "no seriously, the OL troubles do go back to RR. Stop laughing, it's true. Ok look <longwinded discussion of recruiting, redshirting and underclassmen OL> ... and that's why this one is actually RR's fault" an increasingly large part of me dies
It's nice to see the only freshmen on there are the elite players. It shows there's finally depth at most positions.