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Brian November 9th, 2020 at 1:26 PM

11/7/2020 – Michigan 21, Indiana 38 – 1-2 Big Ten

Some years back, Michael Weinreb had an odd sinecure. Every three months some publication would ask him to write the same article dumping on Michigan football, and he'd write it, and I'd roll my eyes and occasionally Yell On The Internet about it. We've got a tag and everything. It's only got one post in it, but I created it because I thought that six times was enough. Weinreb would write the same article about Michigan every few months until the sun baked the planet into lava. We needed a tag. Then he stopped.

These pieces were and are extremely bad. I mean:

Maybe, by essentially professionalizing the recruiting process, Harbaugh is dispensing with the pretense that college football is still an amateur sport.

In addition to making no sense, these arguments don't even dump on Michigan from the correct angle. The correct angle: Michigan does 95% of the things every other athletic department does and then sniffs its own butt about the other 5% while being dumped in a toilet by OSU. Weinreb's series of articles was so infuriating because he was the only person in the universe who could get paid to dump on Michigan for excessive rather than insufficient moral turpitude.

And yet I still remember a single ominous sentence from six years ago in his piece on the Harbaugh hire:

I would worry most of all that if Harbaugh somehow fails at Michigan, it will be the most definitive proof yet that no one can succeed in Ann Arbor anymore.

That's obviously overstated until you're staring down a 2-6, 3-5 kind of season in year six and the Black Pit Of Negative Expectations has signed a long-term lease in your head.

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I can't imagine Jim Harbaugh makes this work any more. Michigan jumped offsides against Michigan State twice. They went back to practice, watched some film, tried to self-correct, and jumped offsides five times in the first half based on nothing more than quarterback hand claps.

A fully operational recruiting setup brought Michigan this bounty of cornerbacks and defensive tackles. After a three-month-long fall camp Michigan still thought that these guys could play press man. It turns out Chris Partridge left for Ole Miss not to be DC, but to be an assistant to DJ Durkin, of all people. Michigan was down three scores in the fourth quarter and still strolling up to the line, content to blow thirty seconds on a running clock.

Michigan has disastrous recruiting at key spots, can't retain coaches, can't run tempo, can't get lined up against tempo, can't hang on to the same running approach for more than half a season. This is systemic and goes back to the head coach. We've seen most of these issues over the last few years. They were covered by a lot of talent. Now they're not. The usual flush-and-reset coordinators that buys you some more time has already happened.

The question, then: why would this get better? I mean "beat Ohio State" better, not "beat Indiana again" better. You can make a case for that based on the youth of the roster, COVID, Ambry Thomas exiting, etc. But we've seen good Michigan teams enter the Ohio State game. They were competitive when OSU was running JT Barrett out there. They have not been competitive after OSU switched from great runners and functional passers to NFL QBs throwing to a bunch of five-star WRs. They sure as shit aren't going to be competitive going forward with this group of corners.

But then you survey the situation and Michigan's specific brand of punching itself in the nuts because the hands of filthy outsiders are never to approach the hallowed scrotum…

…and you wonder what the point of replacing him would be.

I'm going to assume this is one gentleman talking out of his butt and that Warde Manuel is not going to find a Michigan Man to do Michigan Things like always lose to Ohio State. This is because there is literally no "Michigan Man" who is even 1% qualified for the job. Michigan's series of failed coaches has created literally no coaching tree. The most plausible Michigan-associated coach who isn't a million years old may literally be first-year Indiana offensive coordinator Nick Sheridan. Scot Loeffler, who is 3-10 at Bowling Green and has been in charge of some of the worst Power 5 offenses of the past decade, is the main (only?) competition unless you think John Harbaugh is achievable, which nope.

So there's where we are. The great hope is pretty much done, and if things have gone like they have over the past 15 years the program will either hire a deeply incompetent makeweight or try to go outside the family and eat the interloper at the first sign of weakness.

Anyway, hockey time! Moussa Diabate time! Why wallow?

[After the JUMP: Team Milton here]

AWARDS

Known Friends and Trusted Agents Of The Week

you're the man now, dog

-2535ac8789d1b499[1]#1 Ronnie Bell. 149 receiving yards including one of those pogo-stick touchdowns we thought he might have in him but had not seen yet. Would have easily crested 200 if Milton hadn't overthrown him when he was wide open for a long TD. Also was so annoying that he induced an ejection from an Indiana defender after one (1) catch.

#2 Dax Hill. The worst thing about this defense is that Dax Hill is indeed the promised one who can run with you on your slot fades and also tackle you on crossing routes. He forced multiple Indiana punts in man coverage the rest of the defense can't run.

#3 Joe Milton. Michigan put it all on his shoulders and he performed beyond expectations even with the killer INT. (The second one, whatever.) Zero ground game, 10 YPA, many drops.

Honorable mention: Cornelius Johnson had a pretty DT and three other catches. Kwity Paye was again almost sacking the QB continually. Brad Robbins averaged 54 yards a kick and Indiana had just 5 return yards.

KFaTAotW Standings. (Scoring: 8 points for first, 5 for second, 3 for third, 1 for HM. Points from ties adjudicated by an ankylosaur named Sharon.)

14: Joe Milton (#1 Minnesota, #3 MSU, #3 Indiana)
10: Dax Hill (#2 MSU, #2 Indiana)
9: Ronnie Bell (HM Minnesota, #1 Indiana)
8: Giles Jackson(#1 MSU)
5: Kwity Paye(T2 Minnesota, HM MSU, HM Indiana)
3: Aidan Hutchinson(T2 Minnesota), Michael Barrett(#3 Minnesota)
2: Hassan Haskins(HM Minnesota, HM MSU)
1: Ben Mason (HM Minnesota), Jaylen Mayfield (HM Minnesota), Roman Wilson (HM MSU), Brad Robbins(HM Indiana), Cornelius Johnson(HM Indiana)

Who's Got It Better Than Us(?) Of The Week

Joe Milton uncorks a deep ball to Cornelius Johnson; Johnson lays out for a purty touchdown.

Honorable mention: Several other Milton whang throws that looked like the rough outline of an NFL quarterback.

image?MARCUS HALL EPIC DOUBLE BIRD OF THE WEEK.

The second time Indiana scored a touchdown on a free play.

Honorable mention: The first time Indiana scored a touchdown on a free play. The other seventy-five times Michigan jumped offsides. Plays in man coverage. Plays in zone coverage. The backbreaking Milton INT.

OFFENSE

The one controversy, apparently. A tweet:

This got a bunch of replies split about 50/50 between resigned agreement and guys demanding excellence because he missed Bell on a woulda-coulda touchdown and threw a bad interception. The latter folks are wrong and in their feelings because the football team sucks.

Milton averaged 10 yards an attempt despite suffering a spate of drops. He had guys in his face all day because the line can't pick up stunts and was continually facing down third and long because Michigan's ground game was nonexistent. If he was not the only functioning part of the team he would be good enough to win. But he's a redshirt sophomore who entered as a massive project. He's not ready to put a team on his back.

Milton is about the only guy on the team who is meeting expectations aside from the defensive ends. You can see it coming.

A note on the first interception. That was not a bad read, necessarily, but a bad throw. Indiana is in cover two and Johnson was sitting down in the hole. The cover 2 hole:

On the skycam replay you can see Johnson start to retreat upfield once he reads the ball coming out of Milton's hand, because it's winged probably five yards upfield and on a line. If it's accurate it's another ball that zings past a defender, IMO.

That's the kind of throw you don't want to discourage too much because it's the whole reason having a cannon arm is real nice.

The nonexistent ground game. Haskins had one 11-yard run. The other 12 carries from RB/WRs went for 11 yards. I get to find out exactly what happened later but I'll tell you what I suspect now: Indiana has a defense that blitzes from everywhere, particularly off the corner, and every time this happened Michigan failed to adapt.

Michigan's OL blew it against an MSU defense that was running basic T/E twists; Indiana's approach was always going to cause problems, especially with the starting tackles out and a true freshman in the starting lineup.

The inexplicable. Milton had two runs. IIRC one of them was a scramble. On approximately all of the handoffs Milton was not looking at an end to option him off, but turning his back to the line of scrimmage. So the offense neither had a meaningful amount of QB run game nor any attempt to even up numbers in the box by using Milton as a threat to keep.

I rather think the idea of keeping your quarterback healthy goes out the window when you're down three scores to Indiana, so that fails as an explanation. So this is the second straight year where Michigan's ground game is being seriously harmed by a lack of QB runs. This one happens after Milton looked great against Minnesota—patient, fast, hard to bring down.

I cannot fathom what is going on here.

DEFENSE

Furk. Hutchinson headed for surgery:

Chris, Aidan's father, said that they expect him to be out four months. Deleting the best player from the defense is bad, IMO.

Can't zone either. I don't think anyone's surprised that Michigan tried a bunch of zone in this game and continually left big pockets in it.

LB #40 to top

VanSumeren leaves with the TE and mesh still works. That's not necessarily on BVS since someone needs to cover the tight end and neither safety seems inclined, but it is a demonstration of what happens when you're a man press team suddenly required to run a ton of zone. Have they practiced it? Yes. Have they practiced it like Iowa? No.

As a result. For the second straight week there were a ton of plays where Michigan was to the quarterback about as fast as possible and got nothing for their troubles. Penix's third and long shot between three defenders was one as Paye was around at eight and into Penix's back. That throw was a tip-your-cap moment where he had a small window and nailed it under pressure.

In the area. Vincent Gray did improve from a week ago, as he was generally in the area when balls came to his man. He had a nice PBU. But also Indiana dunked on him repeatedly and there were more panic flags. Gemon Green got hit on the first free-play TD but it looked like he got a hand on the ball at the peak and just couldn't quite rake it out. I'll take that given, you know, everything.

I don't have a lot else to say? The corners aren't good in man and their zone isn't practiced enough to be good. The end.

SPECIAL TEAMS

Nice punting, guy! Brad Robbins really socked it to 'em. Netting 53 yards a kick is wild.

MISCELLANEOUS

I mean. Tom Allen would not be the worst idea if there is a coaching changeover. He's made chicken salad out of Indiana's available defensive parts and seems like a cultural fit. He's got Sheridan and Hart on his staff.

ELSEWHERE

The only thing you need to see this week is the Mood:

Historic-Mood-5

They found the fromage guy.

Comments

MGoStrength

November 9th, 2020 at 2:16 PM ^

So there's where we are. The great hope is pretty much done, and if things have gone like they have over the past 15 years the program will either hire a deeply incompetent makeweight or try to go outside the family and eat the interloper at the first sign of weakness.

So, you wanna be a UM fan???

GRWolverine1223

November 9th, 2020 at 2:18 PM ^

I don't have a lot else to say? The corners aren't good in man and their zone isn't practiced enough to be good. The end.

 

I don't get the whole "our defense hasn't practiced enough zone to be good" explanation.  How the heck does this blog know the practice time allotment between zone and man? So your telling me that senior Brad Hawkins, juniors (Gemon Green, Vince Gray, Ben VanSumeren) after 3+ years haven't spent enough time in zone concepts to diagnose and defend passes?... If so, lets call it what it is....Terrible coaching and player development. 

marmot

November 9th, 2020 at 2:21 PM ^

I don't get the whole "our defense hasn't practiced enough zone to be good" explanation.

 

If so, lets call it what it is....Terrible coaching and player development. 

It looks like you do "get it."  They clearly don't practice enough Zone Coverage, and that's a result of bad coaching and development.

MGoStrength

November 9th, 2020 at 5:10 PM ^

and the guy they brought in to the staff this year who runs zone stuff is mysteriously absent for unstated reasons. It's like when Rod made Scott Shafer run a 3-3-5. 

Knowing Browns philosophy and intensity it's probably because they fundamentally cannot agree on how to do things.  Since Brown is the boss, Shoop finds another way to "contribute"?

TrueBlue2003

November 9th, 2020 at 7:28 PM ^

I mea, this would be a failure of epic proportions from all directions.  They just hired the guy.  If they didn't realize during the interview process that they couldn't have a working relationship, that's on everyone involved.

What is more likely the case is that Brown philosophy changed to "I need to run more zone and I need someone experienced to install and teach it" and that's the reason he offered Shoop and the reason Shoop took the job.

No idea why Shoop isn't there but it's not what you're suggesting.

marmot

November 9th, 2020 at 2:19 PM ^

Regarding Milton being absent from designed running plays:

I cannot fathom what is going on here.

To me it looked/looks like the staff thought they would be better than they are (surprise) and are keeping the wrapper on this element until the end of the season.  OSU does this to us every year as well (it started under Tressel with the insane out-of-nowhere-Troy Smith gameplan performances), and MSU does to an extent.

MGoStrength

November 9th, 2020 at 5:15 PM ^

The Dating Dictionary is a revolutionary niche book on how to find a good partner.  One of the keys is to bottom line a girl's actions.  Disregard what she says and just pay attention to what she does.  Like when she makes a date with you and breaks it because "she's not feeling well", "has an early meeting the next morning", or any various other excuses.  It doesn't matter what she's telling you.  It only matters what she's doing.  SHE'S NOT GOING OUT WITH YOU BECAUSE SHE DOESN'T LIKE YOU!  The excuses may be valid, but 98% of the time it's just an excuse to avoid hurting your feelings.  Regardless, you play the odds because it doesn't matter.  If she liked you enough she'd make it work and/or reschedule. 

So, back to football...It doesn't matter what's happening at practice.  It doesn't matter what the logic is.  It doesn't matter who the players are.  It doesn't matter why it's not working.  It doesn't matter what the coaches are saying.  IT'S NOT WORKING BECAUSE THE COACHING IS NOT ANY GOOD!  That's the bottom line 98% of the time.  If the coaching was good, they'd figure it out.  So, go find another coach that can figure it out and stop chasing the one that isn't working out!

blueinuk

November 9th, 2020 at 2:26 PM ^

This has been my thought the past 2 weeks as well.  

One of the luxuries OSU has had is designating several weeks of practice to the Michigan game while they out-talent easier teams.  

We have not been able to do this the last several years.  Staff thought we could do it this year and we are still not good enough to not game plan for each individual team.  Not saying whether that's good or bad.  I just think this is what happened...certainly for MSU.  

trueblueintexas

November 9th, 2020 at 4:07 PM ^

I think Urban Meyer's offensive philosophy facilitated this. Paraphrasing but he basically says...

"we have X plays we can run out of multiple sets (6 or 8, something simple) they rep until it is so engrained every person on the team knows exactly what to do regardless of what defense is lined up across from them. Once that is done, they add other stuff in. That way, if a team surprises us or it gets late in the game and we need something we know will work everyone; coaches, players, etc. know they have a play they can run which will be successful."

If you operate this way you can beat the bad teams consistently, with less focus/prep, because you will be doing the same thing against them you would against the good teams, just more of it. You are also well practiced when going against the good teams having rep'd the plays live against bad teams. 

For the college game, this seems so reasonable and logical to me. I'm sure someone will argue Michigan does the same thing. If they are, I don't see it and from his TV analyst position, it doesn't sound like Urban is seeing it either when watching Michigan.

1145SoFo

November 9th, 2020 at 2:37 PM ^

That's what we said last year, and it never materialized with Shea.

Two years of games with two separate QBs is building a significant case that it is not QBs missing keeper reads.

So, we're left theorizing why in the world they are running an offense and hamstringing their own running game by not calling "half" of the playbook.

1145SoFo

November 9th, 2020 at 2:43 PM ^

I guess to engage in some admittedly bad speculation, it wouldn't seem beyond reason to think Harbaugh is stubbornly pushing pro technique development (similar to sharik's press man diary) and is strongly discouraging reliance on QB run game. Perhaps that's why we see flashes of it over the past two years, only for the staff to get a lecture come Monday practice.

samsoccer7

November 9th, 2020 at 2:37 PM ^

We say this shit every year and when the OSU game comes we don't do a damn thing that's any different.  Also, see the KC Chiefs play with Mahomes going in motion to the right then while in motion again to the left takes the snap, loops around like a naked boot and hits the receiver for a TD.  While a great "trick" play it's gonna cause nightmares for teams in the future AND they can do even cooler shit from that look during their big games and cause even more chaos.  

buckeyejonross

November 9th, 2020 at 5:45 PM ^

if it makes you feel better, it was not an entirely dissimilar performance! 567 yards v. you as opposed to 546 vs. purdue. osu's major problem v. purdue was our inability to score in close. we managed 6 points off four trips to purdue's red-zone. 2/3 on rz fgs and a failed 4th and goal. 0/4 tds with goal to go is how you turn 550 yards into 20 points. we settled for two goal line fgs vs. you too.

same thing happened vs. clemson. 

i'm noticing a pattern! 

buckeyejonross

November 10th, 2020 at 11:50 AM ^

idk if boring is the right word. it's extremely annoying? dumb? detaching? to watch every single game through the lens of "how does this go against clemson/alabama?" like, i can't sit there and enjoy another ho-hum double digit win against penn state because i'm frustrated if the safety misses an open field tackle or whatever.

watching osu is consistently getting annoyed if it's not perfect. i'm a crazy person. but ultimately, the national standard (and our own internal fandom standard) that we're judged on is not penn state or wisconsin or even michigan anymore. it's clemson and alabama. those two represent the ongoing existential dread that we have while watching us blow out another b1g also-ran. we lapped you guys some time ago. there's a new measuring stick. 

marmot

November 10th, 2020 at 12:38 PM ^

Unequivocally, no.  You don't.  When the game is in question for the week before, no.. you guys have a completely new gameplan.

In 2018 (revenge Tour game) you guys came out with the crossing route festival after being dogshit in the air for weeks prior. 

Tressel unveiled the "running Troy Smith" in '04 and he had 145 yards rushing against UM.  In 2005 "running Troy Smith" evaporated and he was laser-efficient in intermediate routes.  In 2006 he squeaked by us with deep balls and pro-sets that were not the norm for the year.  That game he had 341 yards passing and 4 TD's.

Sorry brother.  Your last few coaches typically unveil a pretty unique gameplan for us almost any year that it's going to be tight.  Meyer was actually less creative than Tressel overall, but he had tricks up his sleeve in '18.

But again, the thing is.. every team does this to us.  It's always the Super Bowl when teams play us.

buckeyejonross

November 10th, 2020 at 2:01 PM ^

this is absolutely hilarious. just spectacularly wrong. and you're so confident about it too? how are you going to tell me what osu's offense normally looks like?

let's fact check.

how was 2018 osu "dogshit in the air" when our qb finished 3rd in the heisman and broke the big ten single season record for passing yards by 1,000+, and broke the big ten single season record for passing tds by 11? osu had literally the best passing game in the country in 2018. osu had been running mesh (those unique and new fangled crossing routes) as an offensive staple since 2017, when day was hired. what were the tricks up osu's sleeve? haskins actually threw it less against michigan (31 attempts) than he did in any of the final 10 games of that season.

2004 troy smith only started the final 5 games of the season, passed for 800 yards and rushed for 400, including two different games of 60 rush yards before the michigan game. he only averaged 21 pass attempts per game as a starter, and averaged 14 rushes per game as a starter. he had double digit carries in every start. he was recruited as an athlete, not as a qb. apparently only michigan didn't know he could run?

2005 troy smith threw a lot more against michigan than normal because osu spent the entire 4th quarter losing by double digits. and actually, "running" troy smith really evaporated in mid-october of that year, as he went from averaging 16 carries a game for the first 4 games of the season to only 9 carries per game over the final 6.

2006 troy smtih rushed the least amount of his entire career, only eclipsing double digit carries once the entire season. he rushed 64 times in the first 4 games of 2005 and he rushed 62 times the entirety of 2006. again, you have no idea what you are talking about. i need to make that crystal clear.

sorry brother. osu beats you every season doing the same stuff that they do to everyone else. it's not new. it's not different. it's not special. michigan is just as hopeless as rutgers and maryland are at stopping it. sorry.

TrueBlue2003

November 9th, 2020 at 4:31 PM ^

Uhhh, fine but once you've reached halftime of the MSU game, it's clear you're not that good so you unwrap those things.  Especially when you did plenty of them in game 1.  It's not like the QB runs hadn't been installed yet.  They already ran many of them! The arc and read option and all that stuff has been a part of the offense for 2+ years.  But then they inexplicably did not run any of this against MSU and IU.

The run game Saturday felt like their gameplan against Army.  It was cringeworthy.  No QB threat, run into stacked box, good luck with that.

Brian Griese

November 9th, 2020 at 2:24 PM ^

Good summation, Brian. I agree the Harbaugh tenure needs to be ejected but after thought I do also feel this program is too engrained into the “MiChIgAn MaN’ culture that I don’t have optimism necessary coaching changes/hires will even take place. 

CompleteLunacy

November 9th, 2020 at 3:15 PM ^

What’s maddening is that Harbaugh should be the death knell of the “Michigan Man” shit. He was literally the best case scenario - Michigan Man roots and tremendous track record as a coach. He could have been our program’s Urban Meyer. There were real reasons to be very excited when he was hired. But 6 years later and after a promising first two years it’s devolved to the same “welllll....” of Hoke and I’m just done with it. If they hire an under qualified guy over better candidates because he’s “got Michigan roots” then I’m going to completely check out of the fandom. Joe Milton is being used the same way as Denard and Gardner were, and it’s driving me batty. The man can run! Use that! Stop living in the 90’s and run the damn QB! 

KC Wolve

November 9th, 2020 at 3:32 PM ^

yeah, I'm not sure what would be worse. Keep watching UM regress each year, being completely underwhelmed by a "Michigan Man" replacement, or actually getting a new hire only to watch people destroy him because he forgot to mention Bo in his opening press conference. 

Sad times indeed. 

BuckeyeChuck

November 9th, 2020 at 3:52 PM ^

This whole "Michigan Man" thing has been blown way out of proportion...

Bo, as AD, told Frieder to take a hike when Freider took the ASU job but wanted to coach Michigan in the NCAA tournament. What Bo meant is that we don't want ASU's coach coaching Michigan; we want a man dedicated/faithful to the Michigan team to coach Michigan.

Michigan culture responded by glorifying Bo's "Michigan Man" comment and thus future HC hires supposedly had to have a Michigan background, which isn't at all what Bo meant.

mGrowOld

November 9th, 2020 at 4:21 PM ^

Like Bo himself, for example.

It drives me insane that Warde allegedly wont consider anyone without Michigan ties according to Spath should there be an opening.  For my money Fickell would be a perfect fit for a lot of reasons:

  • Has proven record as a HC
  • Can effectively recruit the midwest
  • Has a MAJOR axe to grind with OSU for being passed over in favor of Day

This guy is a slam dunk win and we wont consider him (allegedly) because he's not a "Michigan Man".  Well you know what Warde?  Neither was fucking Bo until he became the HC here, in fact he was a lot like Fickell.

mGrowOld

November 9th, 2020 at 4:52 PM ^

My point though was Bo himself, the dude who coined the phrase, was NOT a "Michigan Man".

He was Luke Fickell 50 years ago.

And the real tragedy is apparently our AD doesnt understand the context  in which Bo used the phrase in regards to Frieder.  He didnt want a guy who already taken another job with another school for the 1990 season to coach the basketball team in the 1989 NCAA tournament.  The term "Michigan Man" merely meant he wanted a guy on the bench that wasnt leaving the program for perceived greener pastures the following year.  Not some lineage or bloodline through the University.

How that is gotten messed up through the years I'll never know.