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Brian

10/30/2010 – Michigan 31, Penn State 41 – 5-3, 1-3 Big Ten

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these were the same pictures used in the very first Greg Robinson post and were named –fail1, –fail2, –fail3.

A few years back my fiancée (then girlfriend) and I had one of those conversations that draw out over two weeks. You have them when the other person's position is so bizarre and unbelievable that unlocking the reasoning behind it is important if you're going to hang around this person for a long time—because it's possible the reasoning goes something like "I'm a stabby person who stabs you in the stab places."

The argument was about the narrative of overarching, capital-P Progress that the world is or is not making. I, the engineer, pointed to various statistics that all point in the right direction. She regarded all of it as different paths to the same thing: misery for all but a few. A Foxconn factory is just a handy place to jump off, and they take even that away from you.

I don't think we ever came to a satisfactory conclusion despite the lingering threat of stabbing, but I don't think we have to anymore. Since that conversation the world's financial system exploded, the economy fell into a deep and lingering malaise that figures to last most of a decade, and Greg Robinson was hired to coordinate Michigan's defense.

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The worst part has been the illusion. Actually, the worst part has been the actual progress. The worst part has been a combination of the illusion and the progress. The worst part has been a combination of the illusion and the progress and the relentless losing.

The illusion: two straight years Michigan has leapt out to a hot start only to see all the supposedly quality wins evaporate. A thrilling win over Notre Dame devalued as the Irish collapse into a heap of laughable crap. UConn goes from team on the verge of a Big East championship to a team that can't even keep its head above water in a horrible conference. Indiana is still not a surprisingly good, competitive version of Indiana. It's just Indiana. Then there is losing, and not competitively.

The actual progress: Michigan has the #1 yardage offense in the Big Ten by a huge margin. The gap between Michigan and #2 Ohio State is considerably bigger than the gap between Ohio State and #7 Iowa. The prophesied Rodriguez Leap, which did happen last year, happened again this year. Rodriguez is what he was sold as.

That progress looked like enough to get Rodriguez through 2010 into a prove-it 2011 until some walk-on shredded Michigan for 28 first-half points. If Progress means not being Minnesota, Michigan is failing. At some point last night the extremely depressing score was 31-10 and the ticker scrolled to the OSU-Minnesota game, which was also 31-10. The Gophers managed to hold Penn State to a mere 33 points and caused them to punt an astounding six times. Michigan did it twice. A comprehensive description of the ways in which Michigan's defense failed last night is impossible, but here's an attempt: Penn State scored 24 points against Kent State, 22 against Temple, 13 against Illinois, and 44 against Youngstown State… with their starting quarterback.

Youngstown State is a 3-6 I-AA team ranked 94th in total defense. They are the closest comparison to Michigan's D amongst Penn State's opponents to date.

So.

Greg Robinson should be fired. Tomorrow, yesterday, bring in Gary Moeller, bring in anyone, don't care. He should never have been hired, just like Jay Hopson and apparently Scott Shafer. At the time of his hiring he was a decade removed from his last sustained success, fresh off driving a respectable Syracuse program into Washington State territory. As a head coach, he sounded like an idiot. His team played like he was an idiot. Michigan hired him and has gotten exactly what they deserved.

The worst part other than the illusion and the actual progress and the relentless losing is that this was obvious at the time:

Anyway: being a stunningly incompetent head coach does not necessarily mean one is a stunningly incompetent coordinator. Numbers will have to make that case. Go, numbers, go!

Year Team PassEff Rush Scoring Total
2008 Syracuse 101 101 101 101
2007 Syracuse 109 108 104 111
2006 Syracuse 81 110 72 107
2005 Syracuse 37 97 67 57
2004 Texas 31 16 18 23

Er.

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I'm a little stressed out by that. Robinson walked into a good situation at Texas* and managed not to screw that up, then went to Syracuse, where he had an average defense on a horrid team (1-10), which he then proceeded to crater for the next three years. Before his brief, star-making turn at Texas—again, for doing nothing more than treading water—he presided over one of the worst defenses in the NFL, getting fired after three years. The last actual success you can plausibly attribute to Greg Robinson came during his tenure as the Denver Broncos' DC, when his defenses were top ten in the NFL and a significant aid in Denver's back-to-back championships. Since then it's been abject failure save the one year in Texas.

Now it's even more blitheringly obvious. Syracuse is 6-2 despite Doug Marrone having R-U-N-N-O-F-T huge swathes of Robinson's leftover pack of unmotivated jackaninnies and while Scott Shafer's defense has gotten bombed in a couple games and is severely overrated because of games against two terrible I-AA schools and the worst I-A school (0-9 Akron, 56-10 losers to WMU and everyone else), the last two weeks they've allowed 7 and 14 points in road games against West Virginia and Cincinnati. Neither of those teams is good at offense, but neither is Penn State.

Greg Robinson is a terrible football coach. Hiring him was literally the dumbest thing Rich Rodriguez could have done, and he did it. Hiring Jay Hopson to see him leave two years later was a terrible decision, as was whatever the fiasco was with Shafer. The rot on defense goes deeper than Robinson, though—Michigan has insisted on being "multiple" this year, to what purpose is unknown. Week after week Michigan plays teams that sit in a 4-3 with a two-deep shell and play defense adequately enough for this Michigan team to be headed for a New Year's Day Bowl; Michigan has not maintained the same system year-to-year during the Rodriguez era, largely because the leftover guys on the staff are all 3-3-5 guys and they keep insisting that these DCs who have never run the system become One of Us. Braves and Birds nailed this problem when he compared it to Tommy Tuberville's zombie offensive assistants submarining Tony Franklin and eventually Tuberville himself.

Michigan's addiction to the 3-3-5 is causing them to do the exact same thing Rodriguez rejected as dumb his first year when he installed the spread because that's what he knew how to coach—they're shoehorning a coach into a system when that coach doesn't even know how to properly align his middle linebacker. At left, Michigan's horrible defense. At right, West Virginia's excellent 2007 D:

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Kenny Demens finally moved further from the LOS in the second half of the Penn State game. The supposedly attacking, slanting, different-front-making defense has been a passive heap of quivering goo coached by someone who clearly doesn't understand what the system he is running is supposed to accomplish. Robinson's been put in a terrible position, but he has no track record save blithering idiocy and there is no reason to retain him.

As for Rodriguez, well, hell. The are four games left, for one. Michigan is #4 in total yardage nationally and isn't scoring at an insane pace only because the special teams and defense have been beyond terrible. The special teams were not a problem before this year and really the only problem this year has been the kicker*, which is a thing that just happens sometimes in college. If they overhaul the defensive coaching by either bringing in an actual 3-3-5 guy like Jeff Casteel—who may be in need of a job after the season—or toss the Tuberville saboteurs overboard and bring in a Serious Man, I'd be willing to see where the Denard Robinson era ends up.

*(Willing to bet that by year's end Michigan isn't giving up any yards on an average exchange of punts; kickoff returns have been bad but that's an incredibly minor facet of the game—an average team is gaining one more yard per attempt than M.)

Bullets

Change please. How many terrible decisions does Jeremy Gallon have to make before he loses his job at returning things?

Also: gararagagagargh Vincent Smith third and two. Hopkins's fumble was not his fault; Robinson put the ball in his shoulder. (I'm surprised he handed the ball off high—if Smith was in the game Robinson's handoff would have been in Smith's facemask.) Shaw can't be healthy, Cox is not healthy, Toussaint is not healthy… it's actually possible that Angry Michigan Running Back Hating God has been more wroth than Angry Iowa Running Back Hating God this year. The tailback situation is so bad that even Fred Jackson has gone no sugarcoat:

“We have to play better,” Jackson said. “Let’s call a spade a spade. We’ve got to play better. We’ve got plays there to be made and we’re not making them, I’m talking from the running back position.

“We have to play better.”

This is different from Jackson's usual approach of calling a spade a fantastical thousand-story casino in the clouds.

DerpBord. The circumstances behind hiring Greg Robinson are eerily similar to those behind the re-hire of Mike DeBord after his "no mas" faceplant at Central Michigan, down to the seemingly more competent guy being pushed out due to unconfirmed but widely speculated conflict. One dollar Robinson is assistant (to the) linebackers coach in the NFL next year.

The Ron English Effect. The next defensive coordinator (or next head coach, depending) is in line for a mega Ron English Effect, wherein some guy takes over a crew of players returning a ton of starters and looks like a genius for improving them when all he really did is not prevent his players from aging normally. In 2006, Ron English inherited Alan Branch, Lamarr Woodley, David Harris, Prescott Burgess, Shawn Crable, and Leon Hall and looked like a genius. The next year absent all those guys save Crable he was bombed into oblivion during The Horror and Post-Apocalyptic Oregon Game.

Anyway, next year's DC gets every starter back save Mouton, Rogers, and Banks, adds Troy Woolfolk, and should have a healthy Mike Martin. He could pick his teeth and look SMRT.

Martin doom. It's clear by now that Martin's injury is the dreaded high ankle sprain and we probably won't see him play effectively the rest of the season. Hurray.

Elsewhere

Aw, hell, it's just variations of this with either equal or slightly less tolerance for Rodriguez's terrible choices on the defensive side of the ball. I do like the Hoover Street Rag saying the "shields are down." That's about right. Zook is loading his photon torpedoes.

Comments

FL

November 1st, 2010 at 2:27 PM ^

Not to compare us to Illinois...but Zook was on a much hotter seat than Rodriguez this past offseason. He canned much of his staff, brought in new coordinators for offense and defense, and the changes appear to be paying off. Please note: I have not done the requisite research to look at years of experience and returning starters on both sides of the ball, but Illinois at least appears to be improving as the season wears on. And they're doing it with a freshman quarterback.

If RichRod stays and cleans house on the defensive side of the the ball, let's hope for the "The Ron English Effect," as Brian puts it, as I would argue it appears to be happening in Champaign-Urbana.

mrguy

November 1st, 2010 at 6:51 PM ^

I follow the fighting Zookers a bit since I work for their University. Anyway, you're giving props to the wrong man. At the end of last season, the AD told Zook he had to make several compromises or else, including firing most of his coordinators from Florida. I don't think Zook had much input on their replacements. Supposedly, Zook is also prohibitted from making any in-game play calling as well.  This is as close as you can come to firing a head coach without actually doing it (they probably would have if they could but they probably couldn't afford to). Illinois still had some stud recruits on defense that had been injured or were hold overs but it is apparent the defense has vastly improved.

You are right though, Illinois is a good example of how you can start over yet still keep the head coach.

FL

November 1st, 2010 at 7:53 PM ^

Thanks for the details. I wasn't so much giving Zook credit as I was looking for any shred of evidence that things can better for us. I can see Brandon giving RichRod a similar ultimatum to the one Zook received, and since Rodriguez seems generally hands-off with the defense,  given the right coordinator and staff hopefully things can improve.

Magnum P.I.

November 1st, 2010 at 9:03 PM ^

but I think Brandon delivers a similar ultimatum to RR after this season, for the defense only (clearly his play-calling privileges wouldn't be revoked). He's tried twice to fit a new DC in with his WVU boys, and it hasn't worked at all. I don't know who's to blame, but at this point the defensive staff needs to be blown up. This means RR has to say goodbye to some buddies in Gibson, Braithwaite (?), et al.

Brandon is hearing so much noise from the alumni right now that this might not be enough of a sacrifice to appease them, but it's a minimum.

MGlobules

November 1st, 2010 at 2:39 PM ^

made me a little less prone to give him the benefit of the doubt. I have defended him, if nothing else on the ground that another D system and coach--4th in 5 years, etc. could be disastrous. Best might be to get a Casteel or someone who DOES know the 3-3-5, but. . . 

A lot now depends on whether Brandon can keep his head while all the alumni about him are losing theirs. 

MGlobules

November 1st, 2010 at 2:40 PM ^

made me a little less prone to give him the benefit of the doubt. I have defended him, if nothing else on the ground that another D system and coach--4th in 5 years, etc. could be disastrous. Best might be to get a Casteel or someone who DOES know the 3-3-5, but. . . 

A lot now depends on whether Brandon can keep his head while all the alumni about him are losing theirs. 

El Jeffe

November 1st, 2010 at 3:08 PM ^

Couple of thoughts to no one in particular, just what I sense to be some of the prevailing attitudes:

  • You cannot simulataneously argue that it was a bad choice to hire Shafer and to fire him. So either RR made two bad hires and one good fire, or made one good hire (Shafer), one bad hire (Robinson) and one bad fire (Shafer). Same for Hopson.
  • You cannot simultaneously argue that Ron English only looked good because Woodley, Branch, Crable, Burgess, Hall, et al. fell into his lap, but that he actually sucked, and argue that Robinson actually sucks even though Cam Gordon and His Merrie Olde Bande of Freshman Position Switchers fell into his lap. Robinson may in fact suck. But if he sucks then English was great.
  • Michigan blew up their entire team in the transition from Lloyd to RichRod. Both in terms of football playing style and temperament, and in terms of loss of players, they blew it up. Hence, at the beginning of 2008 we were in full rebuild mode. We sucked on offense and mostly sucked on defense. Now one half of the rebuilding has happened, and the other hasn't. The offense is really good and the defense is really bad. My vote would be to do what it takes to fix the defense over the next two years but allow that really good offense and the architect of it to stay. I'm sorry that your Sparty friends make fun of you at work, but I think it will be worth it in the medium to long term.

TennBlue

November 1st, 2010 at 3:17 PM ^

This is Michigan.  Long-term thinking is part of our tradition.  Fix what's wrong, keep what's right, and keep going.

MSU has been flailing around with desperate short-term fixes for 40 years to try to recapture their glory days under Duffy Daugherty.  There's a reason we don't do things that way.

El Jeffe

November 1st, 2010 at 4:01 PM ^

First, thanks for the respectfully worded question. Not that I wouldn't expect that out of you, but thanks anyway. I feel like reasoned exchanges of ideas need to be lauded 'round these parts, whatever anyone thinks about any of the issues.

Second, I don't think the defense will get better overnight regardless of the choices we (and by we I mean RichRod, GERG, and David Brandon) make. I think we have seen a colossal confluence of depleted senior talent (e.g., Warren, the 2007 class), poor decisions in terms of hiring and/or management (e.g., Shafer was either a bad hire or badly managed by RR; same, I guess, with GERG), an overemphasis on offensive recruiting early in the RichRod tenure (maybe one or two too many slot ninjas?), some shaky recruiting in more recent years of RichRod's tenure (Dorsey, Witty), some unfortunate luck with the outcome of some players/bad player management (Turner, Emilien), and bad luck with injuries (Woolfolk, Martin, maybe Mike Williams?).

Thus, I think the problem mainly lies with personnel. I know there is disagreement on this, but I don't think anyone could have turned all these Fr/RS Fr and historical non-contributors (Patterson, Banks, Ezeh, Rogers) into a lockdown defense. I think the 3-3-5 issue is totally irrelevant, not least because we play 4-man fronts a lot of the time anyway. I think GERG would look like a goddamn genius coaching last year's Florida defense, and I think Rex Ryan would struggle with this crew.

In terms of how to fix it, then, I think the only solutions are recruiting and time. That is probably an unpopular point of view, but that's what I think. Brian showed the power of an experienced defensive two-deep with Iowa and the suck of inexperienced DB crew with USC. I think we all remember how Henne shredded Florida's inexperienced DBs in the Cap One bowl in 2008, and they turned out to be killers by 2009.

So my basic answer is that maybe a more aligned coaching staff would work. Maybe Casteel and the Eers would help, I don't know. But I don' t think the problem is going away soon, and so my concern is that Brandon will yield to pressure and jettison the architect of an offense that is fucking awesome and loses precisely two players next year (Schilling and Dorrestein) and gains the #1 all-purpose back in the land, among some others.

My counsel is patience. I certainly understand that it's in short supply, and I understand why. I just think it would be a real shame to overreact and start from scratch. Again.

mejunglechop

November 1st, 2010 at 5:32 PM ^

I think the problem mainly lies with personnel.

This is pretty clearly true, but I'm totally unconvinced that this will be solved with recruiting and time- at least not without a shake up in the defensive staff. Doesn't it say a lot that the attrition has come overwhelmingly on the defensive side of the ball?

Misopogon documented the extent to which attrition was crippling the defense last October. Since then Demar Dorsey, Davion Rogers, Vlad Emilien, Antonio Kinard,  Anthony LaLota, Justin Turner and Brandon Smith have all either transferred or failed to enroll. Where is the light at the end of the attrition tunnel?

Unlike the offense where there's intense competition in each position, on defense playing time is there for the taking. And yet we're losing players on defense to lost motivation (JT Turner) and disenchantment (Brandon Smith and Emilien).

To me, all this screams that there's a fundamental problem with the defensive staff. It's time to blow it up.

SeattleChris

November 1st, 2010 at 3:16 PM ^

This one is tough. If Rodriguez was able to hire a professional-style defensive staff and do a complete overhaul a la Zooker would we keep him or is the damage done and we need to start the Harbaugh transition now? Rod's offense is so prolific but his lack of focus on defense is astounding. I was in the polyanna camp for quite some time but after this showing it's simply unbelievable that Rodriguez hasn't been able to make progress with the players he has or demonstrate an ability learn from the past. Last week's defensive line-up and strategy had Purdue 2008 written all over it, which to me is indicative of someone grasping at straws versus a ship headed in the right direction despite bumpy waters. However, I do look west and wonder what woeful disaster we might become if this situation ends up "doming" over the long term. A potential lost decade indeed. It's terrible any way you analyze it.

jamiemac

November 1st, 2010 at 4:59 PM ^

We knew the D was not  going to be good when the season started. The deabte was how many games would Michigan lose despite scoring 30 points. The answer to the problem is experienced players in the secondary, more depth and more talent. That was the fear, expectation and answer to the problem in the summer. Its the same now.

It's a solution that's not changing over night. Some of the kids who have sucked the last few weeks will be starters on the next good MIchigan D. I cant say I know for sure, or truly have an opinion on, who exactly will be coaching those kids then, from a head coach or defensive coordinator standpoint.

I know its frustrating to see one of the better offenses in school history go to waste, but this isnt a one-year show on offense. It's here and its only getting better. If we can cobble together a D that can get out of the bottom third of the NCAA, we're competing for the Big 10. If we can cobble together a D that's actually in the top-third, we're competing for something bigger.

That's the challenge here for the program. How to achieve that. I dont pretend to know any of the answers. I really do trust David Brandon on this one. We'll see how it plays out.

The one thing I do know is that Michigan and these players who I have grown so fond of the last couple of years have four more scheduled games remaining. Two at home. I'll be there, having a great time and cheering them on as loud as I can. Everyone is more than welcome to stop by the tailgate, but we're having fun, not a pity party, so you're warned in advance. We may be smiling. And happy to be cheering for Michigan. And proud to do so. I think that's really all we can do. Show up and support the kids. If you're not up for that or have problems with that, then get the fuck out of my fanbase and find a new team to cheer for.

I love this team. Win or lose.

Go Blue, Beat Illinois

jackw8542

November 1st, 2010 at 8:42 PM ^

Completely agree.  I also hope we keep the same coaches for one more year.  No one could get a good defense out of what GR has, not as a result of anything except a truly wicked combination of talented FR/SO players with no experience and untalented upperclassmen, particularly if you omit the DL.  It is not GR's fault that Mouton always makes a bad decision.  The only thing I don't understand is why Roh is not being used to his maximum advantage, which is not LB.  The other thing I would add is that I thought McGloin played well, certainly much better than any of us thought he would.  Perhaps if we could have applied pressure it would have helped, but once Martin went down, that wasn't happening.

Bobby Boucher

November 1st, 2010 at 5:53 PM ^

Why can't they fire GERG right now?  Why isn't that being entertained by competent people?  And why would RR laugh in his press conference over such a question?  Why isn't he thinking the same thing? Why? Why? Why?

Sorry.  Now I feel better!

El Jeffe

November 1st, 2010 at 7:24 PM ^

I can't tell if you're joking, but what earthly purpose would firing GERG now serve? Who would replace him that currently doesn't have any input on the defensive staff? I guarantee you GERG is canvassing the defensive coaches for input.

Firing any coach mid- to late-season, barring some sort of reprehensible moral turpitude issue, is, in a word, laughable. That's probably why RichRod laughed. Suggesting such a thing is the kind of thing a Sparty of years past (miss you, big guys! xoxo), or, I guess, a retarded waterboy savant would say.

trueblueintexas

November 1st, 2010 at 7:55 PM ^

It is more common to switch D coordinators because D schemes are much easier to implment than O schemes.  As a reference point (and I understand this is only one data point, and more is needed for true statistical analysis), but, U of Texas has had one O coordinator in the 12 years Mack Brown has been at UT and at least 4 D coordinators. (original guy can't remember, GERG, Gene Chizic, Will Muschamp)  That's an average of 3 years and done.  The main difference, UT always has good talent and experience.  This is the first year they have a starting D with a large number of underclassman and little experience.  The result: a 4-4 record giving up 21.4 per game, all with the #1 ranked D in the Big12.  The fan base is ready to fire Mack Brown and revoke Will Muschamp's coach in waiting status. All this from the team that was in the National Championship last year. 

The point is: Coach Rod's record over the past couple years is awful.  Other than the 2008 win over Wisconsin, Coach Rod has yet to deliver a surprise win or have a game where the team plays significantly above expectations.  There have been multiple games where the team has performed below expecations. 

Even with all of that, I like the kids the coaching staff recruits.  The offense is definetly on the right track.  It can't hurt letting the D grow up, but it is probably time to find a different D coordinator and staff who can work with what the team has and continue the development process.

I guess that is a long winding way of saying, I still trust coach Rod can deliver a championship team, but not with the current D coordinator.

Johnpaldak

November 1st, 2010 at 8:00 PM ^

Did you know? when Rich Rod started coaching he was a Defensive Cordinator not an Offensive Cordinator.  Getting back to the Defense it is all GERG's fault the 3-3-5 is a easy Defense to run and if you really study it you would be amazed on how aggressive you can be.  That's why Joe Lee Dunn invented it because Joe Lee Dunn said it was to hard finding Defensive Lineman for his 5-3-3.  3-3-5 was invented to reak havoc on any opposing Quarterback's and still have enough guys in the secondary to cover.  You can stop any offense that you play without changing anything up.  Rich Rod has been running the 3-3-5 since it was invented.  This is why I say it is one of the easier Defenses to run.  Rich's first year at West Virginia was a bad one he went 3-9 his first year his Defense run by Jeff Casteel ranked 94th in the Nation in total Defense Jeff Casteel in the offseason was walking into Rich's office expecting to be fired he sat down and Rich told him he was not getting fired and I want you to learn this Defense and hands Casteel a playbook that send the 3-3-5 Casteel told him he had never run this before and Rich said learn that scheme and the rest is histroy and now Jeff Casteel is a master at the 3-3-5.  If Casteel was able to pick it up so fast you would think someone like GERG who has coached for forty years could easy do the same.  It is all on GERG.

onceandfutureb…

November 1st, 2010 at 9:45 PM ^

Love ya Brian. Love the site, but damn, Rodriguez Derangement Syndrome has gotten to you, too. Sad.

"The prophesied Rodriguez Leap, which did happen last year, happened again this year. Rodriguez is what he was sold as."

Have you ever been more wrong about anything? He is what he was sold as? Really? We're down to hoping Michigan can beat a decimated Purdue game just so we can make it to the I Cant Believe It's Not Butter Bowl. After three f-ing years of this shit? Is that what we were sold on?  And in year 4, with yet another DC, what then? You know you can't even bring yourself to predict that Michigan will do better than 5th -- in the Big Ten. After 4 years! After 'give him time' and 'wait til he brings in his system' and 'he's got to have time to bring in his players'.

Maybe focusing on Gerg is one of the 7 steps you and other Michigan fans need til you're ready to come to grips with this painful death. As for me, since I've accepted the inevitable failure, I want him gone now. Why wait for another year? Why go through another year of this and then bring in new guy?

RR's a great OC. As a head coach, well, the proof is there. Yes, proof.  Keeping Rich Rod another year is now as smart as keeping Weiss another year. A refusal to accept reality.

mGrowOld

November 1st, 2010 at 10:18 PM ^

The entire defensive staff has to go.  While I think Gerg is beyond hopeless as a DC and incapable of motivating anyone to do anything more emotional than take a nap, the real problem imo are the assistants he was forced to retain.  Hiring a DC but requiring him to use someone else's assistants is like hiring a chef for your resturant but not allowing him to choose the menu.

If you want proof that this can work just look across the field this coming Saturday.  Zooker got the "clean house or you're gone" ultimatum and he got a new staff and better results.

Tim Waymen

November 2nd, 2010 at 12:54 AM ^

If doomsday scenario goes down and we lose the rest of our games (please God no), then how do we know that 1) RR is retained next year, and if so, that 2) he fires Gerg?  And if you get rid of Gerg, what next?  Subject the players to yet another DC?  Hopefully there is a new DC and that guy knows how to coach the defensive players.

I really, really don't want to see RR fired.  In fact, I really want him to stay because he coaches an insane offense.  But the guy has to learn how to deal with his goddamn defensive coaching staff.  I was against Scott Shafer's leaving from the beginning even though the defense had become mind-boggingly bad.  Yet despite some praise from Texas fans, I still had a bad feeling about Gerg from the beginning.  It kills me that RR's managerial style could be his own undoing.  He's an amazing offensive coach, his players are extremely well behaved off the field, plus he hasn't really done anything to isolate the fans and former players as Bill Callahan did at Nebraska.  In fact, RR at times seemed like he was trying to do the exact opposite of what Bill Callahan did.  (RR once explicitly said that former players were always welcome back; something to that effect.)  For now, I really hope that RR can do enough to save his job this season and that he makes the necessary changes in the off-season.

uminks

November 2nd, 2010 at 1:27 AM ^

I think GERG was hired because he would work better with the other RR defensive coaches and would play a version of the 3-3-5, something Shafer would not do. This may come back to bite RR in the end. He should have given the entire defense to a good DC who would hire his own defensive coaches. The only chance we'll have against IL is for DROB to have one of his best games of the season and for the offense to score over 45 points. It is possible but if we fall behind again it will be difficult. Wow, finding out that our defense is no better than a middle of the pack division II school is quite depressing and may lead to another 5-7 season. If RR can survive this season, then he should search for the best DC and give him the reigns of the defense.

Then again may be Harbaugh will be bringing much of his Stanford defensive staff with him next season.

Woodson2

November 2nd, 2010 at 5:41 AM ^

Greg Robinson is being blamed for so many things on this website at the moment. Sure he isn't a great defensive coordinator. There probably was a better hire to be made from the beginning. Personally I didn't like the hire from the beginning but to say that Robinson is what is holding back this defense is ludicrous. Take a step back for a second from all of the anger and look at the situation rationally. The defensive personnel is terrible. It's really that simple.

Are we really talking about the coordinators or coaches after some of those horrid mistakes happend on the field at Penn State? REALLY? Did anyone see the failed tackles? I mean 4th and 1 and the team is right where they are supposed to be schematically by getting to the ball carrier behind the line and they can't bring him down. That's not a coaching failure. That's poor execution. Did anyone see the awkard coverage by our supposed best cornerback when the ball was in the air? If you are turning the wrong shoulder when the ball is in the air you can have Vince Lombardi coaching you and there is no chance for you as a player. The players are bad, no new hire will make this defense any better than they are. Only experience and new players will change this defense.

I personally believe David Brandon is a smart man who will make proper decisions as the AD. That means looking at what RR and the staff are working with as far as players. I highly doubt he would give RR an ultimatum when it comes to his defensive staff when he sits down to discuss why the defense is so poor at the end of the year with RR. When they discuss the talent level on defense Brandon couldn't possibly find that the coaches were the problem. You can simply play the tape and see how poorly our defense executes.

When you have awful experienced players that would never normally see division 1a action and combine that with completely inexperienced players, this is the type of defense you get. Why are so many people surprised by this? Did you really think just because we are Michigan that somehow playing inexperienced players would make our defense better than Temple's just because they are Temple? It doesn't work that way. Temple actually has experienced division 1a caliber football players and Michigan is many ways does not have those at the moment. Blame the coaches for attrition if you must but don't think hiring any defensive coordinator can change this personnel into a decent defense this year.

Monte Kiffin is considered by many football minds as one of, if not the best defensive coordinator around and he can't make USC's defense good overnight. What makes you think a coordinator would change Michigan's defense when we arguably have much more youth and lack of talent than USC?

This blaming everything on the coaches is really making me start to see Michigan fans in the same light as Notre Dame fans. It's very scary to see. Calm down and let Rich Rodriguez who has proven his success at the collegiate level do his job. He didn't forget how to coach all of a sudden now that he's playing Big Ten teams. His teams handled Oklahoma and Georgia when they have talent available. Let's judge him when he has a fully developed roster rather than a roster with talent on only one side of the ball. Either that or we can be Notre Dame and fire a new coach every 3 years before they even have a chance to win with a full roster of their own players.

CountBluecula

November 2nd, 2010 at 5:47 AM ^

Let's say that Rich Rodriguez can keep the tar and feathers from sticking -- either by wins or skillful use of snake oil -- and he's back in 2011.  2011 stacks up a year he's either got an extension or he's out.  (The 2 year recruiting cycle for 2014 has to begin.)  

Say Michigan fires all or part of the defensive staff at the end of this year.  Would it be attractive to top candidates to step into a situation where their term of employment could be les than 12 months?  If they come in and turn the defense around in one year, then they and Rich Rodriguez can keep their jobs.  If they don't turn the defense around and consequently Rich Rodriguez gets the ax, why would they be kept on?  

It just seems that a top candidate would not want or need to roll the dice with their career like that.