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Matt EM September 1st, 2021 at 1:40 PM

Michigan solidified the frontcourt by adding a big piece (literally) last month with the verbal commitment of top-40 center Tarris Reed. And while Tarris figures to be the starting center for the Wolverines at some point in the not-so-distant future, Juwan Howard still needs another big with Hunter Dickinson a lock to leave and Moussa Diabate having one-and-done potential. Let's take a look at the 2022 frontcourt options in addition to news elsewhere.

Making The Cut

5-star Yohan Traore released a top ten last week that included Michigan. Narrowing things to ten options indicates that Traore is still in the early stages of his recruitment as opposed to coming down the stretch. Yohan's comments to 247 last week support that sentiment:

"I am really going to think long-term with my decision. It will probably be made around April. I want to take my time, be patient, and take all the information to the drawing board."

As it relates to the Wolverines specifically, Assistant coach Saddi Washington has made the versatile big an absolute priority since July and that diligence in tandem with Juwan Howard's NBA experience has Michigan in the mix.

"Juwan Howard has so much of a basketball legacy over there, even with him playing and coaching in the NBA. He can give insight on what they are looking for and what it takes to play on that level. The coaching staff has been amazing. Saddi Washington has been an amazing recruiter in how he keeps things transparent and trying to help out as much as possible."

In speaking with Yohan, he did inform me that he tentatively plans to visit Ann Arbor, but has yet to lock in any visits and doesn't appear to be in any rush to make a decision. As a newcomer to the United States, Traore has a few people in his inner-circle that will aid in the process and that may complicate things here. What I can say is that Yohan has been receptive to the staff since contact was initially made and the interest so far has been mutual. 

I'll reiterate that his preference is to play the power-forward spot rather than center. Michigan is making that pitch to Yohan and it is a legitimate one with Tarris Reed now in the mix. Getting him on campus is key. Until that happens, nothing can be considered serious here, particularly with professional options being considered. 

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Another Top Ten

Michigan also made the list for 4-star big Ernest Udeh a few weeks back. There hasn't been much movement with Udeh since Juwan Howard extended an offer back in July. That's not to say the Wolverines aren't a legitimate option, but Ernest hasn't scheduled a visit and there hasn't been much talk of Michigan. Much like Traore, until he gets on campus, this one isn't serious.

 

Back To The Future

I was first to report that 4-star Colin Smith will officially visit Ann Arbor on September 24th. After being a secondary option for much of the last six months, Smith has to be considered a priority now with Michigan using valuable resources by allocating a precious OV. 

This is an interesting recruitment, with Colin and the Wolverines being hot and cold with one another over the last two years. Accepted wisdom had Smith as a Stanford lean with his sister a volleyball player in Palo Alto and former HS/AAU teammate Harrison Ingram a freshman on the basketball team. A source on the Stanford side indicates that they have cooled a bit on Colin and he may not be a take depending on how things shake out with their priority prospects. 

The one constant here is Vanderbilt. Smith already took an OV to Nashville in June and he is set to return for a second time in three months in mid-September. Jerry Stackouse was a fixture at his live-evaluation period games during January. 

Colin is a high-academic student that is serious about education, so Vanderbilt is a real threat. However, I think the Wolverines can win out here if that is the primary competition. That said, I've said on previous occasions that I think schools out west will become more of a factor with his transfer to Arizona Compass Prep. It will be interesting to see how much of a push the staff makes on the visit. I'm inclined to think Michigan can land Smith if he's now a Plan A.

 

Closing In

We've reviewed the on-court development of top-40 wing Jett Howard in great detail over the last year but haven't given his recruitment much ink. I figured it was time to check in on things with reports of the youngest Howard scheduling official visits to N.C. State this weekend, Tennessee next weekend, Ann Arbor for the 18th and Georgetown to end the month.

A source tells me to expect Jett to shut things down a few weeks after taking his OVs. Nothing has changed here, I fully expect Poppa Howard to coach his son in Ann Arbor.

 

Probably Fading

4-star forward Ty Rodgers was near the top of the board in June and seemed primed to be Michigan's first commit of 2022 on the heels of an official visit. Fast-forward three months and things have changed a lot here. 

Ty is fresh off an OV to Xavier and is slated to be on campus at Rhode Island on September 16th. Rodgers is apparently trimming his list today. And while I expect Michigan to make the cut, I don't get the vibe that the Wolverines are in pole position. 

I confirm Michigan is still in pursuit here, but probably not to the same extent we saw in the Spring. With Smith hitting campus this month, that seems to line up. Ty seems like he's less than 50/50 to joint the class at this point. 

 

Comments

El Jeffe

September 1st, 2021 at 1:59 PM ^

Matt (and whoever else wants to chime in), can I ask about not whether we think Hunter will leave (he's said as much), but why he would leave if he hasn't developed a jump shot? Obviously, we all hope he will, but what if he doesn't? Is the thought that someone will draft him on the assumption that he will?

If he doesn't, what value does he bring to a pro team, other than maybe backup center minutes? I'm trying to think of comps for him in the modern NBA and it's really hard. The best I can come up with would be the Lopez brothers, but Brook at least has pretty decent 3 point range. Maybe Ivica Zubac?

I hope he leaves if that means he will be drafted and make some money, but I just don't see it right now. What am I missing?

Blue In NC

September 1st, 2021 at 2:07 PM ^

Hunter is old for his class, "tested the waters" already and already appears to be draftable (maybe not first round).  Most of those guys are a lock to go the following year.  So I think maybe the better question is this:  If Hunter cannot develop his outside game enough in the next year to be a first round guy, why stay another year?  For HD, I think indications are that he wants to play ball.  If he can't do it in the NBA, he would still probably want to get paid and work on his game full time.

Blue In NC

September 1st, 2021 at 3:07 PM ^

Yes, I would love HD to stay 4 years.  He's a nearly perfect college player.  And for some guys, they might do that, especially if the NBA had zero interest.  But I think that HD has shown just enough that the NBA does have some fringe interest, plus that's the dream for HD.  So barring a big change, seems like he is definitely going.  The good news is that presumably he will put up two highly productive years before going pro.

Mongoose

September 1st, 2021 at 2:17 PM ^

There's ways to make money playing basketball outside the NBA, and it's not like staying in college one additional year means he'll definitely make *more* money down the line. I guess it's possible this changes with NIL, but every year you spend in college is a year you're not making even what you could in Europe. An extra year in college doesn't mean your career will end at 35 instead of 34 (or 28 instead of 27); it just means you spent an extra year of that playing career playing for nothing or NIL money.

I agree with you–I don't think Hunter's likely to be a longtime NBA player, and I wish he'd play for Michigan for four years. But especially given how old he is for his year, it's hard for me to come up with any way to justify him staying beyond "it'd make being a Michigan basketball fan more fun."

UMinSF

September 1st, 2021 at 9:04 PM ^

I'm not sure that's really true, SD. Certainly true of the stars, but there's a bunch of teams who have big guys that don't provide more than Hunter is probably ultimately capable of doing.

Aron Baynes, Zubac, Steven Adams, even Nurkic are guys who aren't rim protectors or 3 point threats. 

Wendell Carter, Jr., Andre Drummond, Mitchell Robinson, Tristan Thompson, old Dwight Howard are other guys who are pretty limited.

Granted, none of those guys are stars (Howard once was, of course), and Dickinson's ceiling may be as a pretty good back-up, but IMO he could start if he keeps improving and finds the right landing spot.

Hunter is big, has a pretty well-developed low-post game, is a pretty good passer, can shoot FT's and has flashed the ability to shoot from some distance. He'll get stronger and craftier, and his shooting will continue to improve. There's still a place in the NBA for a guy like that, I would think.

Also, he's 20. People seem to think he's a finished product, but he's just a kid. Bigs often take longer to develop, and heck, Duncan Robinson didn't hit the NBA until he was 24 - the talk of Dickinson being "old" is kind of silly IMO.

bsand2053

September 1st, 2021 at 10:18 PM ^

FWIW Tim McCormick said on the Michigan Basketball insider podcast (you should be listening to that btw) that he thinks HD might come back for year three.

The caveat is this is based on his conversations with NBA scouts.  Sam was very surprised when Tim brought it up and I still think he will leave regardless of the grade he gets next offseason.  I think it's basically a situation where if his goal is the maximize his draft status he needs another year but he may just want to start his pro career.

LabattsBleu

September 1st, 2021 at 2:08 PM ^

thanks Matt. Good stuff as usual.

Shouldn't Glenn be in this list as well? I thought that he was still a target, though perhaps not quite as high as before...

really curious as to why Whitmore wasn't pursued a little more heavily, though I understand it has to be mutual from the players side in order for Michigan to expend resources on him

AC1997

September 1st, 2021 at 3:02 PM ^

Matt -

Have you previously shared your thoughts of Colin Smith as a prospect?  (how he fits in the class, his ceiling, how he would progress in our system, etc.)  

On the Traore front, I don't hate the idea of him waiting until spring.  For Michigan it gives us a chance to figure out how many roster spots are likely to be available with guys like Houstan, Diabate, Dickinson, and Jones needing to make decisions.  For Traore he also gets to see how the depth chart might look while getting a look at Diabate as a big-4 with NBA aspirations.  I'd like to believe that if Diabate looks great and the team does well that Traore may get excited about partnering with Reed next year to do the same thing.

Matt EM

September 1st, 2021 at 3:17 PM ^

Heading into the Spring I had Smith in the middle of the pack for my wings board behind guys like Walker and Casey, but ahead of Rodgers and Glenn.

After evaluating all of them extensively over the Summer, Smith pulled much closer to Casey but would probably still be the middle of the pack for me.

He projects as a stretch forward with solid vision that can attack a closeout in a straight line. He's not a great athlete and doesn't move all that well, but should adequate defensively against opposing 4s. He's a multi-year college kid that would be a secondary option at Michigan. Fits well with more ball-dominant players in recent classes such as Collins, Bufkin, McDaniel and even Jett to a certain extent. 

Matt EM

September 1st, 2021 at 3:07 PM ^

I'll stick this here as sort of a response to everyone re: Hunter/NBA draft stock + decision.

The first thing I'd like to point out is that I don't necessarily think the lack of shooting beyond the arch is the skill facet holding Dickinson back from being a viable NBA prospect that is considered in the first round. There are several bigs in the NBA that are proficient shooters from distance that won't ever be more than backup/journeymen bigs on sub-par teams - Mike Muscala and Mo Wagner immediately come to mind. Even an elite offensive player like Porzingis has seen his value decrease in a major way.

The bigger factor IMO is the lack of agility to be at least serviceable defensively against world class athletes. As it stands right now, Hunter simply lacks the agility to be adequate defensively at the NBA level and that isn't likely to change in an era where NBA offenses simply hunt defensive liabilities via screens and exploit them to the point where they have to be taken off the floor. A guy that wins all-NBA awards in Rudy Gobert, is a total liability in the playoffs for this very reason. 

The best-case projection for Hunter right now is probably a guy like Zubac, but he's considerably more athletic than Dickinson at the same size. The next best comp is a poor man's version of current Marc Gasol (the washed version), as Hunter has good vision while being a mammoth but he can't stretch the floor like Gasol, but he probably projects as a slightly better post-scorer than Marc.

In sum, its really hard for Hunter to make athletic gains to the extent of making himself intriguing to NBA GMs in the first round. To a certain degree, you are what you are athletically and Dickinson knows that. 

Matt EM

September 1st, 2021 at 3:34 PM ^

Savage is a relative term lol. Gasol made 2.5 million dollars last year while being the starting center for the best professional sports franchise of the last 40 years that would've likely made the finals but for an injury to AD. Hunter would be doing well for himself to accomplish that and I'm sure he'd agree. 

AZBlue

September 1st, 2021 at 3:44 PM ^

I think some of the questions are fueled by a recent podcast with Sam Webb and Tim McCormick where Tim said he thought M would probably be looking for another 2 or 3 to finish out the 2022 class.  He believes Hunter will be back another year to work on his game ala Garza.  Sam was incredulous but did not outright challenge him.  FWIW Tim also felt pretty sure that Diabate will be back in ‘22 as well.  (Both comments felt like more “should” than “will” to me.)

I doubt HD returns for the same reasons you and others have stated above.  If some “Quinn Ewers-level” NIL opportunities arise then maybe he stays if the other option is a 2-way NBA deal.