Fee Fi Foe Film: Michigan State Offense Comment Count

Ace

Previously: Michigan State Defense


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Michigan State's offense is still looking to put it all together. Against Notre Dame, the Spartans gained 496 yards but acquired nearly half of them in garbage time, making the outcome look closer than it should've (sound familar?). They also committed two disastrous first-half turnovers, a pick-six by Brian Lewerke and a fumble by LJ Scott right before he crossed ND's goal line, that skewed the outcome in the other direction.

Then Iowa simply shut MSU down, holding them to 4.1 yards per play and 2.4 yards per non-sack carry. The Spartans managed to beat the Hawkeyes in large part because they won the turnover battle 2-0, but it wasn't pretty.

Personnel. Seth's diagram [click to embiggen]:

On the Michigan side, Chase Winovich has sustained his remarkable play long enough to earn a shield, and he should be in for a big day against MSU's young, skinny tackles.

On the MSU side, right guard David Beedle is questionable after missing last week's game with an undisclosed injury. True freshman Kevin Jarvis, who started last week against Iowa, would take his place if he can't give it a go. Either a banged-up guy who was a sore spot last year or an 18-year-old kid will have to block Maurice Hurst on occasion. That projects to go rather well for Michigan.

Spread, Pro-Style, or Hybrid? It's a hybrid at this point, for whatever that means. State spends most of their time in the shotgun but will go to more manball-y I-form and heavy Ace formations. They'll bring out an extra OL—usually Chase Gianacokos—on occasion, and not just in short-yardage situations.

Basketball on Grass or MANBALL? State runs a relatively even mix of inside zone and power. Neither has proven effective. Most of MSU's best runs have been Lewerke keepers or scrambles.

Hurry it up or grind it out? While MSU is right about average in adjusted tempo, they feel slower than that—they usually huddle up and take their time at the line.

[Hit THE JUMP for the rest of the breakdown.]

Quarterback Dilithium Level (Scale: 1 [Navarre] to 10 [Denard]): As BiSB has noted in Opponent Watch, one of the most notable statistical oddities of the young season is Brian Lewerke's 8.5 yards per carry, which ranks him second in the conference. He somehow managed to break into the open field for a 52-yard gain on a third-and-one QB sneak against the Irish, and while he's been limited as a runner otherwise in the last two games, he all but sealed the Iowa game with a third-and-long scramble:

Just a thought: maybe don't have everyone turn their back to the mobile quarterback when the other team is trying to run out the clock. You may get a sense during this post that Iowa's defensive approach drove me bonkers both live and upon further review. You wouldn't be wrong.

Anyway, Lewerke isn't a Denard, but he's a pretty adept runner in the read-option game and as a scrambler. He's not just a straight-line guy; he set up a short second-and-goal against the Hawkeyes by juking a defender to the ground after breaking the pocket. He doesn't look to scramble first—I was actually quite impressed with his ability to go through progressions—but he's usually decisive when he does. That said, Lewerke's mistakes tend to be big ones, and that extended to his scrambling against Notre Dame, when he broke the pocket to the left, then fumbled when he tried to reverse field while lifting the ball over his head like a basketball player attempting to set up a crossover:

As it turns out, there's a reason they don't coach you to do that.

Even with that taken into account, Lewerke is a dangerous player because of his ability to make big plays with his legs. He gets an 8.

Dangerman: As this team is currently constructed, Lewerke is the dangerman. He's improved as a passer, forces defenses to account for his legs, and shows a strong command of the offense.

We've given running back LJ Scott a star out of pure respekt. Scott is an enigmatic NFL-level talent who's had a brutal start to the season. Running behind a bad run-blocking line, he's averaged only 3.7 yards per carry, but he can't blame his teammates for all his woes; he's lost three fumbles, two as he was about to score touchdowns, and that's been a problem throughout his career.

Scott is the most talented of State's offensive players yet he's stuck in an underwhelming timeshare with Gerald Holmes and Madre London. Going by what he's done this season, he shouldn't be in this section. I remember the first drive of last year's game, however, when Scott almost single-handedly took State down the field for a touchdown. He still has that in him.

Up front, senior center Brian Allen is an impressive player, though it's often hard to tell given the chaos that surrounds him. He's strong in both the pass and run game, and while he's not quite Mason Cole he's a good blocker in space.

Zook Factor: Mark Dantonio still vacillates between extremely conservative and extremely aggressive. After a third-and-three run came up a two yards short, he called for a punt from the Iowa 44-yard line—a bizarre sequence if you're going to run on third down. Later in the game, he got aggressive when it may not have been the right choice. More on that later, as it has more to do with the offensive line.

This is the Michigan game, so Dantonio will make impeccably aggressive game theory decisions. He should get called out for his defeated with dignity approach, though; he kept the starters in long after the ND game was functionally over and Lewerke came close to getting his knee blown out.

HenneChart: I charted Lewerke against both Iowa and ND, as MSU's approach was different based on the opposing defenses. The Irish were more aggressive, so MSU dialed up a lot of quick passes and screens while mostly keeping Lewerke in the pocket. Iowa sat back, as they do, so they called for more rolling pockets to allow longer routes to develop without exposing Lewerke to too much pressure.

Opponent DO CA MA IN BR TA BA PR SCR DSR
Notre Dame 3 9++ (3) 1 4 (1) 2x 2x 1 3 1 59%
Iowa 1 15+ (1) 2 7 2 3 1 -- 2 58%

While the downfield success rates came out nearly identical, the mistakes Lewerke made against Iowa weren't nearly as dangerous—having half-field reads on many of his throws helped there. His biggest mistake against ND, on the other hand, was biiiiiiiiig:

For the most part, though, I think the DSRs here undersell Lewerke's talent. He's working with inexperienced receivers behind a leaky O-line, and his coaches tend to tip plays by formation. His talent is obvious; much of the time he looks really dang good:

It's the few moments when Lewerke still looks like a first-year starter (remember, he sat for most of last year) that keep him from consistently being one of the best quarterbacks in the conference, but he's on his way.

OVERVIEW

So, yeah, about formations tipping plays—this is the Iowa game:

Formations Run Pass PA
Gun 14 18 11
I-Form 13 1 3
Ace 6 1 1
Pistol -- -- --
Heavy 1 -- --

That's not just a down-and-distance thing; MSU will break out the I-form or Ace in situations other than short yardage, but they're still really likely to run out of them. Ace formations tended to feature jet motion frippery.

There's also a very noticeable split in how plays are called by down:

Down Run Pass PA
1st 17 -- 11
2nd 12 9 4
3rd 5 11 --

MSU has started incorporating RPOs, mostly an inside zone read with a slant on the backside, so several of those play-action passes have a run element involved—which only serves to skew the playcalling even more in the run-run-pass direction.

If not for the fact they were winning almost wire-to-wire, the Spartans almost certainly would've had to abandon the run instead of stubbornly sticking to it. The maybe-you-shouldn't-have-done-that fourth down call by Dantonio was fine by game theory standards; leading by a touchdown, MSU needed a half-yard with the ball at the Iowa 30. This offensive line simply cannot run block, however. Here's second-and-one:

Here's third-and-one:

Guess what happened on fourth-and-one?

Hindsight is 20/20 but this stuff wasn't hard to predict with the power of foresight. No matter the running back, there weren't any yards available to get without considerable effort or a cheeky quick toss to the edge (and that worked precisely once before MSU tried to go back to the well and got stuffed). The tackles are both sub-300-pounders who have a hard time getting any push; left guard Tyler Higby is average at best and prone to getting knocked back; right guard has been a mess whether it's manned by David Beedle or Kevin Jarvis. Even Allen has had a rough go at times; he picked up a couple penalties against Iowa. It's hard to see how MSU will move the ball on the ground against M's defensive front.

Pass protection is also going to be an adventure. MSU is 86th in passing down sack rate despite attempting to gameplan around their offensive line. I didn't see enough bad moments from right tackle Luke Campbell to make him a sore spot; I also can't imagine matchups against Rashan Gary and Chase Winovich will go well for him. The other tackle, Cole Chewins, is perhaps generously listed at 284 pounds. He's 6'8". Mere physics dictates he be a sore spot and the film confirms—he can get pushed around. I also don't think these types of passes, which kept the chains moving against Iowa, are going to work when Don Brown is dialing up pressure from all angles:

Those who saw the Iowa game may wonder why wideout Felton Davis, who had nine catches for 114 yards and two touchdowns, isn't a dangerman. While he was certainly considered, he hasn't produced at that level in the other three games, and this felt like MSU exploiting a matchup—Iowa's Michael Ojemudia had a really tough game primarily lining up against Davis. While I need to see more before declaring Davis a star, he's impressive physically; he's definitely a jump-ball threat with strong hands, but I want to see if he can consistently get separation against good corners.

Lewerke's favorite target prior to last week was slot guy Darrell Stewart, who's bigger than your average slot bug and otherwise unremarkable. The other starting outside receiver, Trishton Jackson, was invisible against Iowa. Tight end Matt Sokol is a downgrade from Josiah Price as a receiver and, while it's tough to tell given the O-line mess, doesn't seem to be an improvement upon him as a blocker either. They do have some younger receivers, namely Hunter Rison and Cody White, who show some excellent athletic potential, but it seems like they're still getting the offense down—both have had limited roles.

I don't see MSU faring well against Michigan's defense. The combination of bad offensive line and lack of creative playcalling is bad news against Don Brown, and the traditional run game is flat-out moribund. Lewerke is going to make some plays, but unless he plays a mistake-free game—unlikely given his style—it's going to be tough to the Spartans to keep up.

Comments

reshp1

October 5th, 2017 at 10:19 PM ^

I will say this, for as physically overmatched they sometimes were, I didn't see many busts in pass pro. They'll get worked if asked to hold up for more than a beat or two, but Dantonio is smart enough to scheme around relying on them to do that. They'll likely be good enough to get their assignments right and get in the way enough for Lewerke to get the quick hitters out. It'll probably one of those frustrating days where the rush consistently arrives just as the ball is released.

Rasmus

October 6th, 2017 at 6:22 AM ^

If Michigan stays disciplined in the face of that, there will be tipped balls and chances for turnovers. Targeting calls are a potential problem with the plays unfolding so quickly — the linebackers will need to maintain the superb discipline in that regard they’ve shown so far this season.

Indonacious

October 5th, 2017 at 4:51 PM ^

I feel like the overall tone from both of ace's articles have been fairly dismissive of msu. I tend to think they will play there best game of the year by a good margin. Dantonio has outperformed the spread in each of the last 9 years by ~12 points on average against us. I'm sure there will be a couple scripted drives with plays such as a long Scott run setup by some creative play calling or something like the fb wheel route. We will see some more creative protection schemes to combat our 3 down lineman, furbush/bush convoy. Going to be a good game but think it will be a 3-7 point margin.

Jangalang

October 5th, 2017 at 4:59 PM ^

I don't think this area is getting enough focus for this game.  MSU is only 2/3 on field goals for the entire season.  Is this because they don't have a kicker or are they just not getting in the right positions to capitalize?  Seems to me on that fourth and one in the 3rd quarter after getting stuffed twice on the run you would take the three points, go up by 13 and then kick off.

Having a weapon like Nordin could be a huge difference maker in this game.

Thoughts?

war-dawg69

October 5th, 2017 at 5:03 PM ^

I really don't care what msu thinks they can run or what they will run. It will not work and it is Michigan's defense who will dictate and dominate this game. Run Lewerke as many times as you want, but I gaurantee you he will not like how it turns out for him. This is one Qb Michigan's defense is going to try to beat down real bad.

Mgoczar

October 5th, 2017 at 6:05 PM ^

After reading Space Coyote's commentary I hate to say it but Dantonio is a good coach. Heck it almost seems like with all our talent, we are underachieving and MSU is overachieving with not that much talent. 

How the heck have they done that all those years? With our 4-5 stars we should be killing fools. Sigh. 

Every day with J'OK. Gotta trust his game. 

TrueBlue2003

October 5th, 2017 at 7:20 PM ^

he seems to have a so-so track record of getting surefire NFL players to play hard (McDowell, Scott at times) and someone pointed that out yesterday that his style is best suited for the try-hard, chip-on-shoulder, underrecruiting guys.

Regardless, he's had a lot of success this way, so he doesn't need to manage 4 and 5 stars (and would never have that luxury at MSU anyway).  This way has worked just fine.

dragonchild

October 6th, 2017 at 10:18 AM ^

I don't think you manage 4- and 5-stars.  You either overload on them, pick & choose them, or take what you can get.

Alabama overloads, because the'yre probably the one program in the country that can.  They offer everybody, bring in everybody, Enron the shit out of their scholarships and leave a trail of devastated recruits that didn't pan out.  So if you're an underperforming 4-star, big whoop.

Harbaugh, I think, only takes an elite recruit if he's already that chip-on-the-shoulder guy.  He didn't take Donovan Peoples-Jones just because he's a freak athlete or a 5-star, but because the guy doesn't need un-recruiting.  Not that his evaluations have been perfect by any means, but I like what we've seen so far from Gary, DPJ, Solomon. . . have any of these guys needed to be put in the doghouse?

MSU is the third one, and I see similarities in Hoke's recruiting.  I think if you're MSU (or a Michigan with self-esteem issues) and a 4-star expresses interest, you take that guy.  But not every 4-star can be trusted to play like one.  A 3-star who's champing at the bit to prove the doubters wrong will usually outplay a 4-star who fell into a starting spot on the roster, at least by the time they see the field.

Ty Butterfield

October 5th, 2017 at 7:36 PM ^

Correct. If you are looking at where each coach was in his 3rd season Dantonio didn’t do that great and had an overall record of 22-16 at the end of his 3rd season. Still, he beat Michigan in a close game that year. This is a must win for Harbaugh. I think MSU has some solid players but I don’t think they have an overall talent advantage over Michigan’s roster. Still, this is a situation that Mork is more familiar with. He can really play up the underdog, chip on the shoulder and Disrespekt! But this is a game that Michigan has to win to keep the momentum of the program and to put a strangle hold on in-state recruiting.

jgoblue11

October 5th, 2017 at 6:54 PM ^

it's simple, Dantonio is going to try and pressure O'Korn as much as he can. I expect a ton of blitzes from the MSU defense. If O'Korn can get into a groove and we can run the ball, we will dominate this game. If we end up in third and long on our drives, we are in big trouble. The MSU offense vs our D is not worrisome at all, but if our D is on the field too long due to our offense going 3 and out, we'll, Shit.

jgoblue11

October 5th, 2017 at 6:57 PM ^

We need to realize, this is O'Korn's first start of the year, at night against State. If he flat out shreds MSU and we look cohesive on offense, my expectations of this year will be sky high. I'm definitely worried about jitters from O'Korn. Just my two cents. Fuck state tho...

ak47

October 5th, 2017 at 6:59 PM ^

They'll probably run play action screens for like the first 6 first downs they have against us. Their tendencies mean nothing.

bluepalooza

October 5th, 2017 at 7:13 PM ^

I respect MSU.  Dantonio is a jerk, but a good coach none the less.  Let's get one thing straight.  MSU can match Michigan's intensity.  That's the ONLY thing that MSU can do as well as Michigan.  That's it.  Thier defense is NOT in the same league as Michigan.  Their TE's and WR's are not in same class.  Lewerke is no better or worse than Okorn. Both Oline's are average to below average. Michigan's coaching staff from top down is superior.  Michigan is at home.  Here is another little stat.  The last 8 (yes 8) times Michigan was a double digit favorite they have won.  Michigan is currently a 10.5 favorite.

If not for a bothched punt this would be our 3rd win in a row.  Now, do I expect Michigan to blow out MSU? NO. But I do believe by end of 3rd quarter Michigan will have taken control or will be taking control.  I have less concern about this game than I have the previous 4.  Also, some here giving credit to Dantonio for "saving" stuff for Michigan.  I don't buy the saving stuff much.  If he had some tricks in his bag, he would have pulled them out against Notre Dame.  Yes, he will have some wrinkles as will Michigan.  Michigan has had an extra week for heavens sake.  Do you not think there are some wrinkles put in by Michigan?  Do you think having that extra week is not an advantage?  A huge advantage.

Bottom line, I see at least 27 points for Michigan and somewhere between 0 and 13 for the Spartans. Yes, Michigan wins, Yes, Michigan covers.

Bertello NC

October 5th, 2017 at 8:13 PM ^

We also need to keep the pedal to the metal the whole game. start to finish. Last year I feel like we made that game a lot closer than it should’ve. I understand it’s a rivalry game and all, but if we’re in a position to break their will, we need to and do it from start to finish.

ND Sux

October 6th, 2017 at 8:24 AM ^

around these parts.  Man coached 13 seasons, won or shared five conference championships (which hasn't happened since he retired BTW), 1997 National Championship, no serious program issues, kept the bowl streak alive, phenomenal community guy and mentor of young men.  Oh, and his record against top-ten teams?  20-8!  As Brian says...RESULTS-BASED CHARTING. 

Carr will forever have my respect and admiration as a Michigan fan.

 

AnthonyThomas

October 5th, 2017 at 9:35 PM ^

Some people seem to be suggesting that Lewerke is a threat in the passing game, and that seems like a stretch. He doesn't have the talent to seriously challenge a secondary down the field. I'm not really sure he's a dangerman, especially with Devin Bush tracking him down when he runs.

I don't expect MSU to move the ball any better than Florida or Purdue. Their defense and special teams will have to score for them to have a shot.

GordonG

October 5th, 2017 at 10:14 PM ^

..to play this,game as if it was their Bowl game. They will be fired up to pull the upset fueled by cheap shots galore Sparty 20 Mich. 16

UMfan21

October 6th, 2017 at 12:16 AM ^

MSU scripts their first 15 plays or so. it feels like every game those plays are golden and they can flip the field or get points. i feel good about our chances if we dtop the opening drive. we adjust in gsme better than MSU, and they arent going to drive 80 yards on us without scripting.

I dumped the Dope

October 6th, 2017 at 5:06 AM ^

I get the general concept but how does the "scripter" account for the fact they might get a 3 & 1 or a 3 & 12 in the first few plays, or along a drive for that matter.  Which could be random stuff like a penalty that had zero to do with the success or failure of a certain play?

 

markusr2007

October 6th, 2017 at 5:18 AM ^

Running Lewerke vs this Michigan defense.

Don Brown is a maniac.

Every opposing QB has been getting decked and roughed up by UMs front seven.

Lewerke’s fate will be no different.
Dave Warner and the Walrus are going to do it anyway though.

mgobaran

October 6th, 2017 at 9:25 AM ^

Why do I get the feeling this game is going to be stupid and close. If our offense can just score some danged points we should blow them out. 

Feels like a big IF though.