i like 'em both
It would seem obvious
Event reminder: MGoBlog is coming to Chicago next Friday. Moe's Cantina, River North, 6-9 p.m.
The coping mechanisms kicked in about Tuesday, and the diaries flowed. The best, I thought, was by Ron Utah, who took this base alignment
…from the UFR and pointed out why it's hard to attack this in myriad ways because MSU's defense is good. That is true, but it doesn't invalidate the primary complaints: it isn't cohesive. Indiana faced the same defense and their OL isn't all that great, but they have committed themselves to running option routes and tempo, and it works because it puts the offense mostly on the shoulders of three really good receivers to execute. A short list of some of the hands Michigan gambled on:
State's defense is great, and that gives teams limited options for beating them. But the offensive coaching was awful independent of that, on the game level more so on a macro level: They haven't been able to figure out from week to week what the hell kind of offense they are, let alone who's going to be playing it. Eventually they want to be a TE-mismatch outfit but right now there isn't a single TE or RB on the roster who can block. I get it, but it's not getting better because in three years nobody on that staff has been able to answer "what are we going to do about it?"
The OL can't block either. Well the freshmen can't and hey, they're freshmen. But since OL coaches are particularly difficult to judge (especially when their oldest recruits are all redshirt freshmen this year) Erik_in_Dayton went over all of Funk's previous OL charges going back to Ball State. No conclusions—almost everybody was a 2-star recruit—but interesting read.
Meanwhile Gameboy has been trying all sorts of ways of assessing Michigan's O-line experience versus that of other teams. In three attempts he's got a bunch of data and no sense to make of it still because Michigan has two extremes and the coaches don't do things to cover up for their weak points. The chart at right shows O-line starts and game experience. His big mistake I think is averaging: Team One has a tackle with thirty starts and a left guard with none; Team Two has a tackle and guard who've started next to each other for fifteen games. Both average fifteen starts, but Team Two has a big advantage that is hidden by your method.
Chunkums put up a survey to ask if you want to fire which coaches, but your feelings are irrelevant since this staff won't be budged unless there's wholesale failure the rest of the year and Dave Brandon's pimp hand has to step in. Even then, what are the chances Michigan grabs the soon-to-be-unemployed Nebraska OC we're pining over? What's that guy going to do with Morris and Speight? It's clear now that Borges should never have been brought here in the first place, but then a world where Michigan hung on to Calvin Magee for a few years (as OSU did with Fickell) comes with its own negatives. Either way the future is what matters now; if we're going to advocate anything maybe it's a consultant who can teach Borges constraint theory.
While you're assessing, here's a handy chart of Michigan's games under Hoke by dnak438, with the betting lines included. I think jamiemac once told me that Michigan's final lines, like ND's and other power programs, are worse predictors because they're responsive to the huge number of people who bet knowing nothing more than that Michigan is traditionally pretty good. Early lines are more accurate. By the way dnak took my suggestion of rotating the chart 45 degrees. This week I'm suggesting overlaying last week's to see progression:
[Jump to find out how Brian got banned, and you can too!]
Tea Leaves Reassessed. If possible seasons were Game of Thrones novels we're down to hoping the sick author of this book at least has some good guys winning at the end, though at this point 800 pages of snuff that doesn't advance the plot is a stronger comparison.
Weeklies: all death. Boxscore was death. Corsi Charts: basically they will die the second they let up the gas, though there's only been like two periods all year like that so far. Stat charts say Michigan is mediocre, Purdue is death. Turnover Analysis: not death?
[EDIT: Revamped because I was unnecessarily/unintentionally being a dick]: I wanted another panel in the Blockhams strip after the dad gives this sanctimonious speech about pride in your M hat after losing to MSU, where the kid just pretends to eat it up because he's got to deal with the reality of the green-clad bully kid. I found this one schmaltzy, even if the sentiment it expresses rings true, and should have left it at that. But then I'm a dour fountain of negativity who wants everything infused with metaphor and irony. It won't ever be as popular as Blockhams, but anyone wanna make a strip with me like that?
MGOBOARD ISN'T NAM WE HAVE RULES
You are reading MGoBoard. Suddenly somebody posts a link, and Brian's avatar is changed to Jerel Worthy's tattoo, and nothing makes sense anymore.
As with all things that are awful, it began because Ace Williams's weekly fabrication this week was to report some guy on RCMB's wet dream* as reality. Because most humans are not aware of Ace Williams or that somebody with a website and everything could be that much of a horse's ass, people who come across such links put them on the MGoBoard and all hell breaks loose.
After the first few of those were deleted, BiSB put up a friendly reminder of verboten topics on MGoBoard. So of course they went ahead and trolled BiSB with a Drew Sharp thread. Before someone could take the next logical step I threatened an insta-ban on whoever posted the inevitable Valenti one. Then a tall blogger with long hair and a beard sauntered through my swing doors and offered a challenge.
What have we learned? That somewhere out there is an alien species that is assessing whether they ought to assimilate Earthlings into their intergalactic culture, or if it's better to wipe us out and farm our planet, and the existence of Ace Williams is one of those things that could tip that against us. Agreed?
* Not the one about Michigan State blowing out Michigan while Taylor Lewan makes every M fan a hypocrite by pulling some of the same crap Gholston did.
THE TALE OF JON RUNYAN
Oh yeah, let's have politics too. Thread exploding in three…two…waitaminute it's not exploding. Rather they're writing a story:
[Interior: Congressional office]
[Congressman Runyan picks up morning paper. Reads box score from UM-MSU game.]
[Camera zooms in on "-48"]
[Close-up: Runyan's eyes widen.]
Runyan: "Draft a press release..."
[Smash-cut: Runyan steps off greyhoud with duffle bag tossed over shoulder; walks to door of Schembechler Hall.]
…the story goes on. Whatever happened to you, MGoBoard, your sudden behavior is chilling.
SO…YOU WROTE A POEM ABOUT JABRILL PEPPERS HAVING CALF SPASMS?
Your Moment of Zen:
Babies riding roombas.
welease... Wodewick, he is a wobber and a wapist.
Whatever happened to you, MGoBoard, your sudden behavior is
Other adjectives that could be used include, but are not limited to:
Like riding a bull for 8 secs high on meth.
But it's also a sign of the apocalypse. Which is, generally speaking, chilling.
have a helmet, seat belt and insurance.
Head contusion with the table legs in 3, 2, 1......
Oh hai....Happy Friday everyone!!!!
It's not my favorite playcall in the world, but this makes 3/3 of Ace, Brian and Seth criticizing the PA playcalls for reasons that aren't necessarily related to why those calls are made in the first place. The way it's been talked about on the front page and on the board makes me think that everyone here expects PA in real life to work like it does in a game of Madden, where the entire defense runs balls-out toward the line of scrimmage and then you can loft an easy TD to an outside receiver.
While this would certainly be a nice result, it's not really what PA is designed to do. Especially in a game like this past one, PA is used to slow down the pass rush from the D-line by making them more conscious of staying in their running lanes. It is also expected to alter the path of blitzing linebackers to bring them closer to the RB, thereby giving the RB a better shot at blocking them.
Now, whether or not PA actually succeeded in doing any of this against MSU is certainly up for debate (it's also usually supposed to have an impact on LBs dropping into coverage, but that very clearly did not happen), and the negative of turning DG's back to the line is a real argument against it. But with all the pretty advanced football knowledge we usually get out of the three gentlemen mentioned above, I kind of expected more relevant criticisms of the PA calls as opposed to the "Nobody was fooled! Safeties didn't bite!" stuff.
Play action doesn't work when it's not set up properly.
Full disclosure: My understanding of football is superficial at best, I just love Michigan football.
Isn't PA also designed to fool the defense though, in addition to what you listed? Nobody's falling for the PA when you're negative rushing yards.
Why would they? If it's a run play, well, it had clearly been eaten up all day.
Here was my answer:
"But there are reasons beyond freezing LBs and DBs with play action.
Other reasons it's done include
I think to a degree it did points 1, 2, and 4, and was kind of neither here no there with the last point. The problem is, it failed so terribly at point 3 that it turned into a downside by not allowing DG to see the blitz coming and essentially correct Fitz. I didn't particularly like the PA on later downs and longer distances (still had no problem on first down, because it did effect the defense at that point in the secondary and a pick up leads to a huge play), but I also don't know what else is in the playbook and all that type of stuff. I just know that it isn't always necessarily to directly threaten the defense with the run."
The thing that I think is incorrect about the outcry for it is, yeah, I wasn't a huge fan of it either. But in my opinion it's not worthy of all the attention it's getting. It's more, well, I didn't really like that but it's not a huge deal in the scheme of the we-have-no-interior-OL types of deals.
Brian, BiSB (see below), and others (I think) believe that Borges tips off his constraint plays? Do you think that? If not, why are Brian and BiSB such dirty, Satan-worshipping liars?
*Heh, heh, I said, "head."
Yes, Funchess lined up at TE usually means pass. But it doesn't always. So it tips the "pop pass" constraint play to a degree.
But, QB counter is a constraint for Inverted Veer which is only tipped by the fact that Michigan is pulling a different player.
Play action is semi-tipped by not pulling players, but that's only a marginal argument because the intent isn't always a hard sell, the run action in the backfield is enough to freeze players (not suck them up like crazy). Also, not pulling helps younger players in their pass protection.
I discussed that the throwback screen isn't tipped in the UFR.
When Michigan did run a constraint play for Y-stick, it wasn't tipped.
Michigan draw action from shotgun wasn't tipped when they ran the draw as their constraint.
We've seen wheel routes off of the inside man running a bench route type plays that aren't tipped.
So I think it's being very overstated (as I also think the jumbled pieces being thrown together is being over stated). For the most part, it's a lot of different looks and all that stuff (window dressing) but the same things with similar constraints.
I think a lot of teams "tip" things because there are formations and personnel that are better at certain things than others. That's especially true when you're most diverse position is TE and your TEs aren't very diverse because they're young. And it doesn't help when your best receiving TE is also your 2nd best WR and your other slot guy is hurt. But tipped plays are only tipped in as much that you think it may be that call. But if you're selling out on that and guess wrong (which is like a 75% chance you're wrong) then you're done. So teams may be looking for some of these things, that's called scouting, all teams do it. But they aren't selling out on them. For the most part, what's happening, is that Michigan is getting out executed for a variety of reasons.
Now, I'm sure people will probably complain about not having constraints for constraints (the pop pass off the bubble screen), but we don't run our constraints enough to warrent that (the reason that pop pass exists is because the bubble screen is no longer a constraint in those offenses, it's a run play in those offenses, so they need a play action off of it).
I appreciate your take on that.
need a good running game to have a successful PA. Look at Peyton when he's with the Colts. Colts had shitty running game for years yet defense keeps getting suckered by the PA.
Colts would pull a guard on PA. This action really messed with the LBs and Safeties. Michigan can't really do that yet because they're starting a true freshman and a RS freshman at the guard spots. Pulling a guard on a pass play changes the pass blocking protection for the puller, making it more complicated/difficult. This isn't going to happen with 18 and 19 year old guards.
There's a lot of reasons behind it. If DBs and LBs "bite" on a run fake it might help receivers get open. Also if they get so used to run fakes, then might react more slowly the next time you actually run the football. Also, all the stuff Space Coyote (who is way more knowledgeable than me about this kind of thing) said, and some of the things I listed above. That's a whole lot of potential reasons to run play action, and if it succeeds in accomplishing any of those objectives it might be considered a wise move.
The reason I brought this up though was not discuss the merits of PA, how effectively Michigan runs it, or whether they should stop doing it. I just noticed that a lot of people here including, somewhat surprisingly, the actual employed writers for this site have been totally condemning PA calls simply because they didn't accomplish one of the many many thing a PA call can accomplish.
We all agree, no one was "fooled," safties didn't take the "bait," and whatever other phrases have been tossed around about how PA was unhelpful. I'm just surprised that very few of the very knowledgeable people around this blog have even acknowledged that PA can have a purpose other than helping receivers get open.
You're Al Borges, aren't you...
Criticizing PA doesn't make much sense to me because PA is the only thing this offense has consistently done well.
PA is great. But it's about fooling the defense and if they're not in a position to be fooled you're just fooling yourself, and also accepting all of the negative aspects of PA without getting the benefits.
It's like if you try to fake like you're going to throw the ball to your dog, but you've never thrown the ball to your dog. He will just sit there and wag his tail at you, and maybe put his forepaws on your knee; anyway you're not going to get him to chase the shadow ball and give you space to operate, and you'll end up with more slobber on you than had you just tried to hold him away from you and not screwed around with the ball.
defense not in a position to be fooled? Because Michigan wasn't running the ball very effectively?
...but in our case, sometimes play action was only b/c that was the play that had the routes or the blocking schemes the coach wanted that play. That is, the plays in the book & as practiced with some certain route or other desired aspect had PA in them too. So you do the PA -- otherwise you have to try to run the play differently than you've studied & practiced it.
Seth, if you are serious about CYE-esque comic strip, let me know. I have done some cartooning in the past.
Oh man, if you can capture CYE-style humor in comic form, that would be pretty good.
Prettaaay, prettaaaay, prettaaaaaaaaaaaaaay......pretty good.
I endorse this idea. Palestinian chicken anyone?
"...Michigan's final lines, like ND's and other power programs, are worse predictors because they're responsive to the huge number of people who bet knowing nothing more than that Michigan is traditionally pretty good."
No. Maybe in 2003.
I'm just glad none of those kids riding roombas fell back and got powerbombed.
I came off as more of a dick than I meant to, and would like to apologize to Six Zero for that. I kinda felt the need to explain why I don't always include Blockhams with the other diaries, and let it get away from me. I drink weird tea, is the problem, and I imagine there's others out there who like weird tea too.
The LAST thing I would want to do is diminsh Six Zero and the work he's done for the blog. Like, for example, my favorite t-shirt of all time.
Thanks for manning up Seth. Nothing wrong with saying your sorry. I am a fan of both you and 6-0.
What do you mean teach Borges constraint theory? Isn't play action a constraint?
Borges runs constraints all the time, but his constraints often look like constraints, rather than the base play, so they often don't work.
This. When you telegraph your constrains, (a) you tip your hand, so the constraint plays won't work, and (b) it won't act to constrain the defense on base plays.
constraints are not tipped pre-snap. Wheel routes, throwback screens, QB counter, etc. None of these are tipped by formation or personel.
Aren't the coaches oldest oline recruits juniors? I understand the freshman can't block, but neither can the sophomores and juniors. Guys who they've coached for 2-3 years were passed over by a pair of walk ons.
Bryant, Miller, and Tony Posada were in the 2011 class. Posada never played for Michigan, and he's out of football (I believe). Bryant has been consistenly hurt. Miller committed to RR and would likely be better suited in RR's schemes. Bryant and Miller are also only two guys, so I think it's hard to say whether they've been well coached. Maybe they aren't very good.
None of this is to say that I'd don't have concerns about the offensive staff. I just don't think you can tell much from the '11 class.
There is no way this ends in lawsuit against Roomba.
There aren't any scholarship junior offensive lineman on the roster. We had two RS sophomore lineman in Bryant and Miller going into the season and now Glasgow would be the third.
Edit - meant for post above by Turtleboy and was beaten to the punch anyway. Boo to me.