Utah has 6 draft picks so far, including 3 OL, which I believe leads the country. They lost last year to Oregon, Cal, Colorado and Washington; barely beat Indiana in the bowl game. Go figure.
Actually, when your school has more players drafted than some entire conferences, I don't think it's all that dumb to point out.
And now is the proper time to take a small moment to thank Brady Hoke for getting all these fantastic players and young men to come to Michigan...
April 30th, 2017 at 12:06 AM ^
would have been just fine under the old defensive staff as well. Mattison would have had Taco, Glasgow and Wormley being beasts. Darboh and Chesson probably would have been drafted as well, but maybe not as highly.
Gedeon certainly benefitted a great deal from Don Brown and new coaching. And defensive backs like Hill and the second tier CBs probably benefitted hugely from Zordich.
Ironically, the two position groups Harbaugh and Drevno were best known for developing at Stanford are QB and OL and those have been our weakest position groups. I do think they've gotten the most out of mediocre talent and it just hasn't been enough for great units yet. Will be interesting to see how those units with their guys develop the next couple years.
April 30th, 2017 at 12:22 AM ^
April 29th, 2017 at 11:57 PM ^
because Hoke's predessor couldn't get highly ranked guys to come here. Every elite program in the country has had down cycles in recruiting in the last 20 years if they've had a period with even a mediocre recruiter as a coach (Michigan, ND, Nebraska, Alabama, Texas, Miami). It's possible Florida, LSU, USC and OSU are somewhat immune to this because of so much in-state talent without enough competition for it, but that is it.
Kids don't play for programs, they play for coaches. And highly ranked kids wanted to come play for Hoke in his first two years. As many as have wanted to play for Harbaugh, in fact. Their first two recruiting classes are nearly identical in size, national rank and average player rank. And this draft class is all the evidence that his classes were every bit as talented as the rankings.
April 30th, 2017 at 12:33 AM ^
Is it fair to say we lose recruiting battles to them? Maybe we lose more recruiting battles to guys from FLA against FSU or guys from CA to USC, but do we lose kids from the Midwest to them? I'd guess they'd all take guys DPJ, Bredeson, Peters, Onwenu, Cole, Harris, Marshall, Ferns, etc. (and every other top 300 midwest guys we've landed in recent years).
in 2013 when most of these players signed. We had the number 4 class in the country behind Bama, OSU and Florida (who have all had more picks the last two drafts).
Oh, and we were also 6th in recruiting in 2012 when the rest of them were signed (Wormley, Darboh, Chesson and Kalis and Mags if they go).
Last year, we were in danger of not having anyone selected. So, it's cyclical and highly correlated with your incoming class 4-5 years prior. Which means this coming year is probably going to be a lean one for us in the draft, probably the following year too.
The point you're trying to make is not well made.
Us when we send almost no one to the NFL for nearly 7 years:
- "Whatever. This has nothing to do with talent"
Us when OSU sends most of their team to the NFL:
- "Whatever. This has nothing to do with talent. They're going to have so much talent to replace."
Us when we send 10+ players to the NFL:
- "HOLY FUCK! We are the greatest university ever! Georgia only sent one! Why do they even have a formal team?!!?!? We're going to win 30 national championships next year! WE'RE GOING TO LIVE FOREVER!!"
We'll probably get a recruiting bump even if we're going to only have like 3 drafted next year. We can now go to guys like Tyler Friday and say that we had two defensive linemen drafted in the first three rounds. Before we were selling hope there.
Cole, Mccray, and Hurst? Mone, Bunting and Winovich still have more eligiblity after 2017. Maybe Ty Isaac?
Why did you pick those 3 teams?
At first glance I thought this was a baseball score.
Now I'm even more confused.
You posted teams...not states.
Michigan had 10 (now 11) guys, but I'm not sure how many players there were from the state of Michigan who were drafted.
Sure Michigan can recruit to the number of guys they put in the NFL, but that's just dumb when you're comparing elite programs. We had one of the best recruiting classes in recent memory last year...how many NFL players did we have to point to for that class?
This is Michigan, not USF. This has no bearing on recruiting. You honestly think if a kid picks Michigan over Texas or Georgia he has a better shot at the NFL?
If you can get a scholarship to Michigan, Texas, Georgia, etc. - you can get to the NFL if you develop and produce.
April 30th, 2017 at 12:27 AM ^
he's trying to make the point that this is evidence that you will develop and produce better under Michigan's staff than under Texas' or Georgia's. It's certainly a selling point and they probably will speak to it.
Like you said though, it probably has a negligible impact in the whole scheme of things, especially when both those programs switched coaches in the last year. They were cherry picked by the OP as two down programs, who have since made changes to correct what was down, and should recruit just fine (in fact, are recruiting great) even with these draft results, just like we did last year.
April 30th, 2017 at 11:30 AM ^
The recruiter is like a salesman and the recruit and his family are like customers. The same customers UM pursues are probably going to be pursued by UTX/UGA/SCAR, etc...
The recruiter should probably start by ascertaining the customers' needs.
If one of the needs is to play for a coach that will help the recruit eventually play for a pay check, the recruiter should point to the 19 kids (including Norfleet) who will be playing for a pay check next season. The recruiter should say that this Michigan coaching staff is responsible and that they can do for the recruit what they did for the 19.
When the recruit asks UGA/UTX/SCAR the same thing, the numbers they quote will be smaller and I do think that it will have some bearing.