OT: Report Says Baylor Threatened Assault Victims
Fornication, Adultery
Seriously? Is this BYU or BU?
...and if one is a Baylor alum, how do you not cut off donations, etc,., now?Baylor is a baptist university. It doesn't surprise me that they and BYU are both at about the same level of strictness
It's the old joke.
Why don't Baptists make love standing up?
Baylor banned dancing for the first 151 years of its history... they only allowed it beginning in 1996. LINK
Baylor's president, Robert Sloan Jr., decided in February to lift the ban on dancing, which is still considered morally harmful by some strict Baptists. But he warned students against being "obscene or provocative." No pelvic gyrations; no excessive closeness; no "Dirty Dancing."
My understanding is that a young Kevin Bacon transferred to Waco and made the town and it's hardline moralist preacher rethink their strict ways (see short documentary clip below). But I'm no historian.
Enough is enough.
Baylor football should be shut down in the same way SMU was many years ago.
These fucking guys again! The lawyer-drafted response statement to this is going to be so absurd.
To paraphrase Bill Simmons the Baylor rape story has reached the "Tyson Zone" where ANYTHING that's reported I immediately accept as true.
To be honest it seems to me that Baylor = Penn State with women instead of young boys. Both programs placed football ahead of basic human decency and the coaches and administration both turned a blind eye, enabled and now it seems, protected the perpetrators of the crimes.
They both deserve the death penalty IMO. The are cut from the same cloth.
Yes, fuck Penn State
Brutal. Could you imagnine what's happening at Tennessee?
See this is the kind of thing where Penn State and Baylor really deserved the death penalty. The whole culture is rotten because of the football team. Hookers, money, cars, okay fine. Lose a few scholarships and move on. But this? This is just reprehensible.
They are.
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To your first point, every university is working hard to improve their response to these situations on campus (and some national legislation is in the pipeline to give extra motivation in the form of financial penalties). Also, Baylor representatives are appearing at national conferences to improve their practices (and yes, it is awkward to know they are sitting and listening to people who are using them as a case study). Oh, and some states have stepped in and require amnesty on ALL drug (and alcohol if you don't already consider alcohol a drug) use when that use is in any way connected to the event or the reporting of the event.
As for your second comment, it's ironically the position exclusivey held by groups looking to undermine advances in Title IX/sexual assault enforcement (some national fraternity groups have even backed away from this position because they did the research and realize what a terrible position that places victims/survivors in). The way the criminal system is set up, prosecutors only pursue clear, slam dunk winners. That's almost never the case in these situations. And if you think people who are caring enough to go into education are worse at dealing with these sensitve issues than cops . . . well, uh, sure. Also, the legal system is less discreet, and it's less flexible than a university system (which is good when people are trained and empathetic, althogh it's obviously problematic when they're not trained and empathetic). And I've talked about this before so I won't go too far into it, but that something is a crime may still make it a civil matter (see the multiple OJ trials, one that lost (criminal) and one that prevailed (civil)), and may yet still be an employment/school/club/team matter. I assure you that you would not want to live in or observe a world that says you can only pursue the arena with the harshest available penalties when seeking to resolve a serious problem you're having. In that case, the school-to-prison pipeline would become even more expansive (and not just for marginalized groups). That practice would drag in all of society when it comes to smaller issues (except for lifelong, pure saints), and there would be little to no traction on the complicated issues that often lack clear proof one way or the other. And, and the article clearly says the person went to the police first, and the police used the school as a tool to silence the victim.
Many of the local law enforcers are enablers too. Hot lines to the coaches as such. Now who you going to call?
I agree completely. Unfortunately, as the article notes, federal law requires universities to investigate sexual assault, whether it happens on or off-campus. I'm sure that most of the people who voted for the people who wrote such law had good intentions. But it is a horrible law with disastrous consequences.
But Jim Grobe said this kind of thing happens everywhere. So you see, we shouldn't be so hard on them.
I guess there's a reason the only coach Baylor could find was someone who was retired. After Grobe is done with this Baylor gig, he will likely be unemployabe as a coach. He certainly won't have much of a reputation for honesty and forthrightness left.
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PSU is waaaaaay out in front of anything BU has done wrong so far.
Comparable?
The enabling of predators puts PSU in front for me.
BU is despicable though.
Baylor is a Baptist school. Baptists are widely believed to have a strict code of what they deem to be morally acceptable. Stricter than most. So I have to wonder, if there is a religious leadership unit at that school (like a board of ministers or a clergy), why haven't they spoken up about this? Maybe they have and I haven't been paying attention, or maybe they've tried and they've been silenced too. But I have to believe that salvaging your school's reputation, it's morals, virtues and ideals, and above all its religious code (which I'm pretty sure condemns rape) are infinitely more important than preserving the success of your damn football team.
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That's a toxic culture from top to bottom that needs to be purged, shut down for a few years, and allowed to start over with a brand new, clean slate. What are we teaching future generations if all we do to punish these universities is give them a slap on the wrist, tell them not to do it again, and then move on? Make a fucking example of these schools. For these schools that love their football too damn much to do the right thing, show them how much worse it can be when they have it all taken away.
Another thing: how have the people that barred these women from getting help not been arrested and thrown in prison? The cover up is just as despicable as the crime itself.
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I'm a Christian and would identify myself as a baptist. They should destroy the football program and fire anyone that had knowledge of what was going on. It is awful. To answer your question, from a moral standpoint, I have no idea how they could cover this up. No idea.
/Pedo State Nittany Pedophile'd
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Unreal...they essentially gave the green light to rape bec. it had to be common knowledge just how easy it was to get away with. And all behind the mask of a religious institution. Pathetic and shameful.
Death penalty would be going easy on this program -- felt the same with Penn State.
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Another Baylor player busted today, this time for stalking.
These guys need to be shut down now.