Local vs National Recruiting

Submitted by Rodriguesqe on

The Crawford / Corley commits got me thinking about national vs local recruiting. Harbaugh seems to have tilted towards national in a way that Hoke and even RR never did. Maybe someone who followed recruiting back in Carr days could compare. 

I went through the current top 10 classes to see how each school did in state vs out of state. First number is commits from within state, second is class size.

1 LSU - 12 /20

2 Michigan - 1 / 24

3 OSU - 8 /18

4 FSU - 8 / 18

5 Georgeia - 12 / 16

6 Florida - 15 / 26

7 Ol Miss - 4 / 20

8 Alabama - 4 / 17

9 ND - 0 / 22

10 Auburn 4 / 17

I think whats apparent is that Michigan has a built in disadvantage of residing in a football poor state.

If I did a bit more work I think if you considered region Michigan would stand out even more. 1 from MI, 1 IL, 1 Wisconsin, 3 from Indiana, everyone else is from out of region. Even ND has more midwest kids.

It seems like the sights view Corley and Crawford as just about even. We don't know who Harbaugh thinks will be better. I'm no scout either. But philosophically speaking, I used to think tie breaker went to the local kid since 1) he'd get our rivalvies 2) it would keep him away from our rivals. My opinion is the opposite now, possibly skewed by watching Hoke reel in local kids and also not developing talent. 

This might also just be an aberation, as I think we are targetting plenty of local kids in 2017.

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Optimism Attache

January 10th, 2016 at 4:42 AM ^

Do you have numbers on that? For example, let's compare how many football players per 10,000 kids there are in Florida vs Michigan. And do the same thing. I bet you find that there are a huge number of kids playing football in Michigan, and that Florida has way more football players per 10,000 kids than Michigan does. I'm very confident of that.

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schreibee

January 10th, 2016 at 2:56 PM ^

Well, my son was born in SF, has visited A2 exactly once in his 13 years, never been to a M game yet. But he wears M gear all the time and knows Brady & Woodson went there (wish there were more to list!)

With a gun to his mother's head he could not name my HS, nor would we consider sending him away to Michigan to attend it...

So nice try, but following and viewing college & HS sports are not analogous.One has strong regional, and even National ties in some schools' case, which extends across generations.

The other extends across districts. Except in Texas, as was the question originally posed...

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pmark1210

January 10th, 2016 at 9:10 AM ^

to see talent. I moved to Houston 2 years ago and couldn't believe the difference, and I lived in Columbus my whole life. this year for the "big school", 6a I think, the Houston Texans stadium was 3/4 full. Katy, the eventual winner, was playing in their 4th straight state title game. the level of play by their defense was amazing. the team they beat hadn't been held in single digits in points for like 10 years. I went to that game to experience the magnitude of it. truly was something on a whole new level.

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BlueCube

January 9th, 2016 at 9:43 PM ^

Michigan sucking for the most part and MSU fielding stong teams. Also, Harbaugh was at a disadvantage by getting a late start with the 2016 class. I think it will change but Harbaugh has the name to recruit nationally and that will likely lead to him pulling recruits from across the nation.

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DetroitBlue

January 9th, 2016 at 8:47 PM ^

It's a little early to draw any conclusions, and it's not a great year for in-state talent. I feel like Harbaugh is going to go after the best players regardless of where they're from



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Lie-Cheat-Steal

January 9th, 2016 at 8:51 PM ^

come from Florida, Louisiana, Georgia.  SEC!!!!!!!

No, but really, talent is all over the place, Texas, Cali, Ohio, etc, but being in a state where you can play year round helps.

What really amazes me is how many dominant DLinemen that are 270 lbs plus and run a sub 4.6 - 40 come out of Louisiana, Florida, Alabama.  It's nuts.

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Vote_Crisler_1937

January 9th, 2016 at 9:15 PM ^

There are a surprising number of coaches who don't feel the same as Harbaugh stated. Lots of coaches like guys who excel in track instead of spring football. Denard, Wheatley (Sr), Ted Ginn, Morgan Trent are a few that immediately come to mind that coaches didn't seem to mind running track.



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FormerlyBigBlue71

January 9th, 2016 at 9:27 PM ^

Agree. Absolutely nothing wrong with guys playing other sports. But the guys that aren't multi sport would benefit from spring football. For example, when I played high school football there were 4 players on the team also playing baseball and 2 running track. The other 40 of us could have been practicing and getting better.

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RuebenRileyonRye

January 9th, 2016 at 9:46 PM ^

Totally agree about spring ball. Growing up on the east side of the state, it's been interesting seeing the west side of the state catching up and maybe passing the power houses of the east and middle of the state. I think 7 on 7 spring ball just started a year or so ago over here. The state is getting better, but the football culture is different in those traditional power states and I think all of it adds up to more talent...at least more consistently talented.

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Elmer

January 9th, 2016 at 8:51 PM ^

Michigan isn't poor for instate talent.  We are in the top 15, so we're better than 35 other states.

The problem is the drop-off from the top talent producing states is big.

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ABOUBENADHEM

January 9th, 2016 at 9:00 PM ^

in having relationships overall. Hence the Swarm Tour this past summer to "catch up". I suspect 2017 and future years will keep a national focus, but also blend in more emphasis on recruiting the best local talent.

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schreibee

January 9th, 2016 at 9:52 PM ^

You know the funny thing about the "swarm"?

People said JH was offering too many marginal prospects at the time, and if you look at our commit list in the Hello Dylan Crawford post you'll see our lowest rated 4-5 guys all came from them.

Many guys people on this blog are now scheming how to get to commit elsewhere, greyshirt, or even hinting at grade issues preventing them from getting accepted.

I'm not sure if Harbaugh will continue these, but I'll bet he doesn't toss out offers to every unknown that impresses!

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hazardc

January 9th, 2016 at 9:07 PM ^

I love in state talent, or even poaching Ohio just to hear the whining ... I love winning a lot more. I like academic athletes. I like Michigan being on the national radar again after one year. The blue hairs aren't going to live forever. This school needed harbaugh in more ways than just football. He is an ambassador to the world. Harbaugh is savant status. I love knowing hat Michigan has the smartest coach on the planet. I don't stress over anything related to this program anymore. People think he's weird, but his weird comments always hold a truth.

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