Brady Hoke says it takes 5-6 years to build a program
Brady talking on his new XM show. Sorry for the Freep Link.
http://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/wolverine…
For those who don't want to click some notes:
Hoke says it takes 5-6 years to build a program, especially if you are changing an offensive scheme.
Hoke says he expects Michigan to surprise this year.
However, this was after he referenced how Jim Tressel left Urban Meyer with a loaded football team, so he was able to win quickly.
Hoke then said "The recruiting our staff did really fits to the style of offense and style of defense. That's something that's going to help them."-when asked if Harbaugh will have a good first year.
At first I was glad that he expects Michigan to succeed, but he only made it two sentences after being asked about Harbaugh to reference how his recruits will help Jim, when the question had nothing to do with him.
Is Brady bitter and planning to take credit for any Harbaugh success in year one?
August 18th, 2015 at 9:34 PM ^
August 18th, 2015 at 11:33 PM ^
checkmate
August 18th, 2015 at 6:36 PM ^
August 18th, 2015 at 7:13 PM ^
Hoke does not seem like the type of coach who is going to design a system. So Brandon hired the wrong guy in that case.
Based on what opposing coaches have said about our talent, it does appear that he recruited very well and we at least have that going for us.
I don't know if Hoke will ever understand why he succeeded/failed. I don't know how you break a football player (Gardner) who was once a Heisman trophy candidate and under utilize another (Denard).
August 18th, 2015 at 8:42 PM ^
August 18th, 2015 at 9:01 PM ^
but in the week following UTL2 (2013), there was Heisman chatter and consternation that he might leave a year early for the NFL if he projected to round 1 by the end of the year. That's how amazing he looked in that game. Hard to believe now, but at the time, it was reasonable.
August 18th, 2015 at 9:18 PM ^
He really did play an amazing game outside of that one BIG mistake though. And you're right, he was on ESPN's September Heisman watch before the wheels came off.
August 18th, 2015 at 10:11 PM ^
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August 19th, 2015 at 5:53 PM ^
I remember him being ranked in the middle of the first round in SI's mock draft for that week. Everyone thought we were looking at Vince Young 2.0
August 18th, 2015 at 9:19 PM ^
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August 18th, 2015 at 11:46 PM ^
Hoke recruited well, but it was far from Alabama/Ohio State levels.
2014 and Hoke's half of 2015 classes were far from elite and even in his two good years he whiffed on many top recruits and had poor DE and WR recruiting throughout his tenure.
Definitely a good recruiter, but he wasn't this elite superstar recruiter as some seem to be taking for granted.
August 19th, 2015 at 1:10 AM ^
Given the importance of the QB position in football, Hoke's recruitment of Bellomy (year 1), no QB (year 2), and Morris (year 3) borders on malpractice. Gardner's redshirt question makes the decision-making even worse. (Imagine if Gardner hadn't been granted the redshirt.) As for the non-QB components of the team, it's hard to separate the failure of development from a failure in evaluation, but it sure seems he had less of an eye for talent, and his "excellent" recruiting classes were somewhat paper tigers. E.g., Hoke recruited a lot of OL ranked higher than Omameh. How many of them were actually better recruits?
August 19th, 2015 at 4:24 AM ^
August 19th, 2015 at 1:11 PM ^
Even if Morris starts the next two years and is an ALL B1G QB - Hoke's QB recruiting still looks awful.
August 18th, 2015 at 6:39 PM ^
Good coaches don't go backwards 4 years in a row /thread
August 18th, 2015 at 11:13 PM ^
August 18th, 2015 at 6:40 PM ^
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August 18th, 2015 at 6:52 PM ^
/ Wayne Fontes ducks, and Matt Millen hides behind a podium /
Mr. Ford asks "what was the question again?".
August 18th, 2015 at 6:40 PM ^
So refresh my memory, how much credit did Brady give for his 11-2 year to RichRod?
August 18th, 2015 at 7:13 PM ^
Zero....
August 18th, 2015 at 9:28 PM ^
August 18th, 2015 at 10:04 PM ^
I don't see any direct credit to RichRod in his quote? Is it that he mentioned Denard who was recruited by RichRod?
August 19th, 2015 at 4:44 PM ^
In your quote he doesn't say RRod even once.......he credits the players, but not the guy who brought them in to the program.
August 18th, 2015 at 11:08 PM ^
How much credit did rich rod take? Plenty. Anybody remember him lamenting that he didn't get to eat the cake? He whined a lot worse than Brady's doing. Besides are you going to disagree with Harbaugh who gave credit to Brady at his introduction speech. I'd like to see the guy on this blog who would have the guts to run down Hoke in Jim's presence.
August 18th, 2015 at 6:40 PM ^
August 18th, 2015 at 6:45 PM ^
August 18th, 2015 at 6:48 PM ^
August 18th, 2015 at 6:48 PM ^
August 18th, 2015 at 8:22 PM ^
of course he'd say that. What else is he gonna say 'man guys, there ain't shit for talent here, and don't even get me started on the QBs!'
Harbaugh's action spoke louder....going out and getting every QB he could.
August 18th, 2015 at 8:25 PM ^
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August 18th, 2015 at 6:48 PM ^
USD - 2 years
Stanford - 3 years
SF49ers - Instakill (NFL caveat, but still)
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August 18th, 2015 at 6:51 PM ^
But it only takes one year to build a truly great practice program.
August 18th, 2015 at 7:48 PM ^
August 18th, 2015 at 6:57 PM ^
August 18th, 2015 at 7:04 PM ^
In the past 15-20 years, we've learned that great coaches win a National Championship by year 3 or 4.
Bob Stoops - won a National Championship in year 2 (2000).
Jim Tressel - won a National Championship in year 2 (2002).
Pete Carroll - won a National Championship in year 3 (2003).
Nick Saban (LSU) - won a National Championship in year 3 (2003).
Urban Meyer (UF) - won a National Championship in year 2 (2006).
Les Miles - won a National Championship in year 3 (2007).
Nick Saban (Bama) - won a National Championship in year 3 (2009)
Jimbo Fisher (FSU) - won a National Champinoship in year 4 (2013).
By year 3, elite coaches build a national contender.
August 18th, 2015 at 7:35 PM ^
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August 18th, 2015 at 7:42 PM ^
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August 18th, 2015 at 7:52 PM ^
August 18th, 2015 at 8:45 PM ^
I said 2 things.
- Elite coaches win a national championship by year 3 or 4.
- At the minimum, an elite coach builds a national contender in that time frame.
It takes a few elite coaches longer to win a National Championship. For instance, Steve Spurrier didn't win a National Championship untl year 7 (1996) but he built a national contender by year 2 (1991).
2010 Stanford finished 12-1 and #4 in the final rankings after a dominant win over VTech in the Orange Bowl. The loss was on the road to Oregon - the national runner-up. So Harbaugh is definitely an elite coach.
August 18th, 2015 at 8:54 PM ^
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August 18th, 2015 at 10:36 PM ^
elite coaches biuld a national contender...
August 18th, 2015 at 11:33 PM ^
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August 18th, 2015 at 8:58 PM ^
WTF!!! Are you just arguing for arguements sake or do you really believe that?
/smh
August 18th, 2015 at 10:33 PM ^
no offense
August 18th, 2015 at 7:58 PM ^
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August 18th, 2015 at 8:37 PM ^
Brady Hoke talked about winning Big Ten Conference Championships.
But he failed to win a single division title in 4 years.
August 18th, 2015 at 8:50 PM ^
Holtz took the Gerry Faust TIRE FIRE and won a National Title in Year 3.
Fuck off, Brady Hoke. Fuck. Off.