OT: NCAA Tournament Round of 32 Day 2 Open Thread

Submitted by OccaM on

So Izzo n co are giving UVA all they can handle right now. Come on UVA get your shit together! 

mGrowOld

March 22nd, 2015 at 2:24 PM ^

Bet $100 on State on the money line which paid back $300 so I'm pretty happy.

Not sure which team is perennially over-seeded more: Villanova or Virginia. Every year they get knocked out early and every year the "experts" are surprised.

umumum

March 22nd, 2015 at 2:24 PM ^

I had Virginia in the Finals, so this screwed my bracket.  That said, Virginia is one of the most boring teams; I won't miss watching them.  Plus one more chance to cheer against the Spartans.

Sparty123

March 22nd, 2015 at 6:37 PM ^

2009-10 - made final four

2010-11 - 10 seed lost to UCLA in 1st round

2011-12 - 1 seed lost to 4 seed Louisville in the Sweet 16

2012-13 - 3 seed lost to 2 seed Duke in the Sweet 16

2013-14 - 4 seed lost to 7 seed UConn in the Elite 8 (after beating the #1 overall seed).  UConn won the NC

 

So there's 1 Final Four, 2 sweet 16s, and an Elite 8 in your timeline.  One early exit when they were a double digit seed. It's not like they're losing to garbage, they're getting beat by quality teams.  Not sure how this is "underperforming their seed".

flashOverride

March 22nd, 2015 at 2:33 PM ^

Well, I hate to say it, but I foresaw a pretty decent Sparty run and now am even more certain of it. In 2013, all I heard at work was, "Michigan had a weak bracket" (lol), "All the good teams were taken out" (yes, Kansas and Florida - by Michigan), at least the verbal gymnastics about how this is "different" will be entertaining.

And, as long as Kentucky's breathing, State's run will, at best, end the same way as 2013 Michigan's. Except probably by a lot more than six points.

Jimmyisgod

March 22nd, 2015 at 2:39 PM ^

Dont like his antics, but Izzo now has 13 sweet 16s in the last 18 years. His coaching ability cannot be denied. That team looked terrible a couple months ago and they aren't all that talented. Ugh! Hate the thought of the media blowing him for the next week.

Pinky

March 22nd, 2015 at 2:57 PM ^

When did making the Sweet 16 become a huge achievement?  MSU is a very experienced team that was ranked #18 in the preseason.  They are pretty much right where they're supposed to be.

When Izzo takes the youngest team in the tournament to the finals, let me know.

OccaM

March 22nd, 2015 at 3:03 PM ^

When Beilein takes a team to the NCAA Tournament 17 years in a row, let me know. Izzo has more Sweet 16s than and the same amount of Elite Eights as Beilein has tourney appearances. 

MSU is a premier program but they don't recruit quite at the level of Duke, Kansas or Kentucky year in and out. Izzo is a great coach whether we as fans want to admit it or not. 

But yeah he's also a whiny bitch. 

 

allintime23

March 22nd, 2015 at 3:07 PM ^

No matter how much we dislike the guy it sounds idiotic to argue his greatness. His team was dialed in from the start of the game and executed his game plan perfectly. If Thrice didn't take a few stupid shots in the last seven minutes this may have been a 15 point win.

ThadMattasagoblin

March 22nd, 2015 at 3:11 PM ^

With all the 4 stars and 5 stars on his team he better make the sweet 16. If Beilein had Izzo's talent we would be in the final four every year. Coach K and Roy Williams all have 4 times as many national championships as Izzo has and they get the same talent. Do you honestly think Izzo could make Stauskas, Levert, Burke, and Hardaway all 1st/2nd round picks from nowhere. In EL they recruit 5 star guys like Payne, Dawson, and Appling keep them 4 years because they can't develop enough to leave for the NBA. Beilein makes 3 stars into first rounders in 2 years.

Pinky

March 22nd, 2015 at 3:12 PM ^

Yes, there was a period of time when Tom Izzo was a better coach than John Beilein.  That is no longer the case, which is why Michigan has had more recent tournament success, more recent conference titles, and why Beilein is 6-4 against Izzo over the last five regular seasons despite working with far lesser talent.  Right now, Beilein is just better.

 

OccaM

March 22nd, 2015 at 3:17 PM ^

That's why I said "even if his record has been lackluster the past 3-4 years." The board makes it sound like Izzo is some generic coach who gets lucky 24/7. Luck is a factor for every team in the tourney. 

Burke hitting the 3 against Kansas = luck. 

Next year will be an interesting time for MSU and UM. 

Pinky

March 22nd, 2015 at 3:19 PM ^

Izzo is a great coach, but unlike you and half this board, I'm not going to blow the guy for taking a team starting 4 highly-ranked upperclassmen to the Sweet 16.  And Burke hitting the three against Kansas was luck?  STFU kid.

OccaM

March 22nd, 2015 at 3:27 PM ^

Who said I was blowing him. I was saying he is a great coach. Obviously not the greatest of all time. Media goes overboard on a lot coaches. 

You don't think that it was lucky as fuck hitting a 30 foot 3 pointer with 10 seconds left? That was Michigan's lucky moment. Every team has one that gets far in the tourney. 

LOL take off your blinders boy. 

 

Bill Rawls

March 23rd, 2015 at 12:43 PM ^

Coach A loses 3 key starters from last year's team and returns his team to a 4th-straight sweet 16 appearance.

Coach B has substantial attrition as well but has a sub-.500 season and fails to reach the NCAA tournament or NIT.

Take the blinders off, if you were giving a job performance review for this past year, which coach would you say is "just better right now?"

OccaM

March 22nd, 2015 at 2:45 PM ^

Well if I can't root for Michigan and Beilein, I guess Fisher and SDSU will have to do. Take em down Coach! 

(Has Fisher ever beaten Coach K?)

OccaM

March 22nd, 2015 at 3:09 PM ^

Hiring Ellerbe and Amaker (after fudging up a potential Pitino hire) kept our program dead for 20 years, not Fisher. 

 

Those problems would have been alleviated if the AD at the time made better decisions regarding the basketball program. 

MichiganMAN47

March 22nd, 2015 at 3:32 PM ^

Orchestrated? At the worst, Fisher was negligent. On the other hand, the administration and AD made poor hires and refused to upgrade facilities for years. Fisher is a good guy, who got caught up in circumstances mostly outside of his control. I don't see any need for ill will directed toward him.

snarling wolverine

March 22nd, 2015 at 3:36 PM ^

Fisher deserved to be fired for the Ed Martin scandal.  But we can't blame him for two bad coaching hires and neglecting our facilities.

Look no further than Columbus to see how a program can survive sanctions.  They got nailed in both basketball and football and didn't miss a beat because they made good hires.  We fired Fisher and hired a guy with a losing record at Loyola of Maryland.