OT: Peyton Manning Played With a Torn Quad
January 12th, 2015 at 11:27 AM ^
I tore BOTH quads the week of our rivalry game. Electrostim, Ice/heat alternating, steroids (not those steroids) and serious inflammatories got me through...but that was one game and one week.
Can't say whether or not he should've been playing - I won't question his heart though.
#b@llsofsteel
January 12th, 2015 at 12:58 PM ^
This was before I grew my beard, chest hair, and joined the Blue Oyster Cult. If I had only known the healing powers of the cow bell back then!
Ah - to know then what I know now...
January 12th, 2015 at 1:14 PM ^
cures all.
January 12th, 2015 at 11:29 AM ^
As long as he could move and it wasn't going to cause severe permanent injury, i see no reason why he wouldnt be out there. Im guessing this "tear" was not very severe.
January 12th, 2015 at 11:29 AM ^
How was this not put on the injury reports? I thought the NFL was pretty strict about reporting all injuries.
January 12th, 2015 at 11:43 AM ^
Good question. Maybe the Bronco's figured the fine would be better than exposing Manning to more punishment.
It's pretty clear NFL players and coaches aren't above going after player's injuries. Suh stepping on Aaron Rodger's leg is the most recent example I can think of.
January 12th, 2015 at 1:03 PM ^
Torn quad probably explains last year's Super Bowl debacle.
January 12th, 2015 at 1:05 PM ^
On the ESPN ticker either Saturday night or Sunday morning he was listed as 'probable - thigh'.
January 12th, 2015 at 1:10 PM ^
It was. Go look at NFL injury reports for the past month (http://www.nfl.com/injuries). You don't need to say "torn (muscle)" but you need to give estimation, practice pariticpaton, and general area of injury.
Manning's past month on injury reports:
Division: Probable, thigh, full participant
WC: (bye, none submitted)
Week 17: Probable, thigh, full participant
Week 16: Questionable, thigh, limited participant
January 12th, 2015 at 11:30 AM ^
Maybe someone with more knowledge of sports medicine can answer this, but why didn't he sit the last month of the season? Or at least the last couple weeks. I believe they clinched pretty early.
January 12th, 2015 at 12:02 PM ^
He doesn't have the rings so he wants to pad his stats as much as he can.
January 12th, 2015 at 12:21 PM ^
They were a tiebreaker away from homefield advantage. Had they beat Cincinnati or NE lost, they would have had homefield throughout the playoffs. Not that it ended up mattering.
January 12th, 2015 at 11:30 AM ^
January 12th, 2015 at 12:09 PM ^
Running all those zone read options, obviously.
January 12th, 2015 at 12:10 PM ^
January 12th, 2015 at 12:22 PM ^
On the set of a Papa John's commercial.
January 12th, 2015 at 1:47 PM ^
January 12th, 2015 at 11:30 AM ^
It was obvious he was hurt for the past month. I had no idea what the injury was, but he wasn't the same 'ol guy. And it wasn't the onset of age, I mean, the deterioration the last month was dramatic. I think that game was the only one I picked correctly this weekend (YET AGAIN), and for me, it was just clear Manning wasn't Manning so the Colts were kind of the obvious choice.
Does this suggest a violation of the NFL injury-reporting rules? I thought this stuff had to be disclosed.
January 12th, 2015 at 11:40 AM ^
January 12th, 2015 at 1:02 PM ^
per NFL rules I am pretty sure they are supposed to list all injuries even if they won't keep a player from taking the field.
January 12th, 2015 at 11:30 AM ^
Ira Weintraub sure does hate Peyton and I just don't get it. He keeps calling him the greatest regular season QB ever. Well, from a pure skill standpoint, Peyton is in the top ten of all time. He is only one man and cannot win games by himself. I still think Brady is a better overall QB, but that might be the bias in my saying that.
January 12th, 2015 at 11:37 AM ^
I don't quite understand the obsession everyone has with post season stats and titles in a team game. In todays world of advanced stats and data why does a win in the playoffs mean more than a win in the regular season? Why does being able to win 3 or 4 in a row at the end of the season mean more than winning 13 of your previous 16 games?
January 12th, 2015 at 11:40 AM ^
January 12th, 2015 at 12:16 PM ^
Personally, I think the thing that removes Marino from the argument is not only his lack of playoff success, but also his stats. He threw lots and lots of interceptions, and his completion percentage is tied for #44 all-time with the legendary Jake Delhomme.
January 12th, 2015 at 12:48 PM ^
In one sense our society wants everybody who participates to receive a reward, get playing time, play first chair, etc. In the other you are only good enough if you were a part of or led your team to the ultimate championships. One can be objective and include Marino as the greatest (one of the greatest) if they want to. Does it matter a whole lot what the media and so called NFL gurus say compared to your thoughts? If you think Marino was one of the GOATs and you argue objectively and factually well, than he is or isn't.
This is obviously a very debatable convesation. My point is that anyone can be objectively debated as to their place in history regardless of Ultimate Championships.
Go Blue!
January 12th, 2015 at 11:47 AM ^
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January 12th, 2015 at 1:17 PM ^
Because winning in the postseason is harder than winning in the regular season. Manning gets Oakland, SD, and KC twice a year now, after years of feasting off of Jacksonville, Houston (before they were any good) and Tennessee. Should we be more impressed with stats compiled against the bottom-feeders of the NFL, or how he performs against the best teams in the league?
People care about playoff performance because if you're supposed to be the "greatest QB of all time," you better be able to play well and win a game against the best in the league when it matters.
January 12th, 2015 at 6:00 PM ^
Is that you coach Hoke?
jdon
January 12th, 2015 at 12:06 PM ^
102 games above 500 even with his 3-13 rookie year, but has a losing record in the playoffs. More one and dones than any QB in NFL history despite usually having a bye and being favored. YPA goes down and TD to INT is worse in the playoffs. Throw in the fact that Tennessee won the NC with Tee Martin at QB the year after Peyton left and he is not exactly Mr. Clutch.
As far as the one man thing. Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark, Edge that is four HOFers. Now at Denver he has one of the top if not the best WR corps in the league.
January 12th, 2015 at 12:08 PM ^
I think you are Ira.
Anyway, I'm talking about a pure skill standpoint, which is clearly noted in my post that you replied to. Not many QBs have or had the same skill set that Peyton does and has had.
January 12th, 2015 at 12:15 PM ^
Your post made it clear that you didn't understand why Weintraub calls him the greatest regular season QB ever. Maize and Blue just answered it for you. Dude is fantastic in the regular season and saves his crappy games for the playoffs.
January 12th, 2015 at 12:29 PM ^
I get it, but that doesn't take away from his skillset, which I clearly stated.
January 12th, 2015 at 12:49 PM ^
Ryan Leaf had a hell of an arm, and Jamarcus Russell was a big, strong dude. You can't evaluate someone only on skill set, you have to look at the total picture, and part of that picture is "do you help the team win" (assuming you think the goal of a professional athlete is to win their respective championship, not to get the best stats possible). Nobody is saying Peyton sucks by any means, but a lot of what a quarterback is drafted for is to win games, and more importantly win titles. Why do you think so many people are down on Cutler and high on Flacco, despite Cutler's clear skill set superiority? Because Flacco finds ways to win, and Cutler finds ways to derp the game away. To do another sports comparison, Peyton is ARod (without the juice): great stats, great regular season performer, but tends to come up small in the playoffs. Nobody's going to argue they're not two all time greats (ARod roid issues aside), but I think they both have trouble coming out as best ever due to their tendencies to suck when it matters most.
January 12th, 2015 at 12:54 PM ^
against Ira's calling him "the greatest reg. season QB evah" which doesn't question his stats etc.. I don't even take his comments as implying that Manning isn't a great QB - which is what you appear to have done.
January 12th, 2015 at 2:00 PM ^
Mr. May. Great skillsets too.
January 12th, 2015 at 2:04 PM ^
Advanced statistics dont really account for the level of competition the player is facing. Peyton plays weak divisional opponents (he has his whole career), which usually leads to him posting ridiculous stats against poor defenses and then looking rather ordinary against playoff caliber teams.
In fact, most "elite" QBs who pass for ridiculous numbers during the regular season, end up looking rather ordinary come playoff time.
As the saying goes, defense wins championships.
January 12th, 2015 at 7:23 PM ^
Fremeau's DYAR is schedule-adjusted yards-above-replacement, so it gives us a chance to see how much of a difference this actually makes.
On the left is Manning's rank in DYAR for each season, on the right is his rank in the equivalent, non-schedule-adjusted YAR:
DYAR | season | YAR |
3 | 2014 | 3 |
1 | 2013 | 1 |
2 | 2012 | 1 |
x | 2011 | x |
3 | 2010 | 3 |
3 | 2009 | 1 |
2 | 2008 | 2 |
2 | 2007 | 2 |
1 | 2006 | 1 |
1 | 2005 | 1 |
1 | 2004 | 1 |
1 | 2003 | 1 |
4 | 2002 | 5 |
6 | 2001 | 6 |
1 | 2000 | 1 |
2 | 1999 | 2 |
12 | 1998 | 13 |
That's a hell of a career no matter which column you look at.
And unlike college, SOS is apparently a pretty marginal effect in the NFL. In 12 of his 16 seasons his ranking was the same whether you adjust or not. Twice he was bumped up by a weaker schedule, twice he was bumped down by a stronger schedule, and the movement was never more than two slots.
January 12th, 2015 at 12:10 PM ^
But then there is that whole defense thing. The one year Indy's D played well they won the super bowl. Also didn't the Indy kicker completely bomb a field goal to lose a playoff game against the Steelers?
If you want to know the importance of a defense look no further than Brady not having won a superbowl after the pats D took a hit with retirements. I mean in both the games against the Giants the Patriots D collapsed to give up the lead at the end.
I'm not saying Peyton doesn't deserve criticism for his performance in the playoffs, but I think its a more complex issue than "he sucks when it matters"
January 12th, 2015 at 1:20 PM ^
I'm not sure how much of those 2 Super Bowl losses you pin on the Patriots defense. Yeah, they gave up late TD's, but the Giants only scored 21 and 17 points in those games.
The 17 points the Giants scored is the only time since SB 9 that the winning team hasn't scored at least 20 points. The Patriots offense was an absolute machine that year until the Super Bowl. The Super Bowl was the only time they didn't score at least 20 points.
January 12th, 2015 at 11:31 AM ^
Sounds like a partial tear. It hurts I tore mine and theres still a divet in my left thigh. I still played. But I had no power to push off with.
January 12th, 2015 at 11:31 AM ^
Cool story bro moment..... I competed against Torin Dorn (UNC, Oakand Raiders) in a 200 meter race in HS. He was already about 15 yards ahead of me halfway through the curve when he blew up his quad. By far the most intimidating injury I've seen in person and not unlike famous fractures we've all seen on TV......
Note: my apologies to anyone who has seen combat. This must seem mighty milqetoasty.
January 12th, 2015 at 11:52 AM ^
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January 12th, 2015 at 11:57 AM ^
against Terry McDaniel in our county meet. He got the baton about 15 meters before me or I'm sure I could have beat him. /s
January 12th, 2015 at 1:53 PM ^
I had a doobie once with Braylon Edwards. He was down to the last quarter of his while I was still getting mine lit. Amazing performance.
January 12th, 2015 at 2:35 PM ^
January 12th, 2015 at 11:31 AM ^
Obviously Peyton wasn't truly helping his team and struggled throwing the ball. I realize he's the leader of the Broncos, but at some point he needs to realize he's not helping his team out the way he usually does and needs to let the backup QB figure stuff out at least for a drive or two.
January 12th, 2015 at 12:20 PM ^
You don't see that much from high level athletes. They all think they can play hurt. In Peyton's case, injured he's probably still better than the backup. And if he'd sat we'd get an entire offseason of idiots on the internets saying he has no heart because he didn't play injured.
January 12th, 2015 at 12:23 PM ^
I don't think you saw Brock Osweiler play this year. He didn't get many snaps, but he looked like Ryan Lindley in those limited snaps.
January 12th, 2015 at 11:33 AM ^
why we should believe anything Schefter has to say?