Beth Mowins to do play by play Saturday.
With Joey Galloway on color, who I don't recall hearing before. A shame IMO, this confirms me wanting to listen to the radio feed.
[Ed-Ace: I changed the thread title, as Beth Mowins is in my opinion a solid announcer—especially for a noon game on ESPN2—and the immediate parallel drawn to Pam Ward, a far inferior play-by-play announcer, is potentially rooted in something I'm not comfortable seeing on this blog.
Joey Galloway as the color commentator should probably be your biggest concern here. Leaving the rest of the thread up unchanged since it at least contains some pertinent information.]
August 27th, 2014 at 7:46 PM ^
Honestly I'm so neurotic during Michigan games, even if I didn't have the TV on mute I wouldn't be able to hear them over my pulling on my hair, yelling at the TV, breaking things, etc. So this is one bit I have never really cared about.
August 27th, 2014 at 9:19 PM ^
You're just like me with the yelling.
Luckily I found someone special who yells with me.
August 27th, 2014 at 7:50 PM ^
Exactly - I'm the same way. I'm in such a zone during those games that if they switched to Japanese halfway through, it would take me a few minutes to realize.
August 27th, 2014 at 8:07 PM ^
I got you beat. I'm to where I sometimes I DVR key games and know the result and then watch the full game so my heart and nerves don't take a beating. It really is weird how if you don't watch a game and see a score, even for a game that is very important to you, your nerves and stress are impacted about 1,000 times less than actually watching the game live.
August 27th, 2014 at 8:38 PM ^
Then why even watch the game? You're supposed to be vested emotionally, otherwise it's a complete waste of time.
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August 27th, 2014 at 7:59 PM ^
I know you're just trying to make a joke, but your thread title hints at sexism which isn't cool. I get it they're women and there are hardly any women who do play-by-play, so they must be the same...
You don't have to like Beth Mowins or Pam Ward, but give them a little respect.
August 27th, 2014 at 8:06 PM ^
No one is hating because she's a woman. We're upset because she's on the bottom tier of play-by-play announcers, she just also happens to be a woman. Add in Joey Galloway and it might be the worst regarded broadcasting pair that ESPN offers.
August 27th, 2014 at 8:10 PM ^
Then what does Pam Ward have to do with anything?
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August 27th, 2014 at 8:19 PM ^
Totally fine to be upset about her broadcasting, but the joke in the original title thread was about her being a woman and that's what I reacted to.
August 27th, 2014 at 8:08 PM ^
to trying to eat the cat.
August 27th, 2014 at 8:52 PM ^
In that I would prefer all other announcers to both of them. As I said, IMO. I agree Ward is much worse than Mowins, who is respectable and competent. And who deserves to have a job broadcasting football at ESPN or anywhere else that hires her. But yes, I prefer to watch a football game with a male announcer, because to me the atmosphere and action at football games is inherently masculine. Others disagree and that's cool. But to actually think it's uncomfotable to state that, as if it's some evil we should reject from politie blog society, is really very silly.
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August 27th, 2014 at 8:22 PM ^
Yeah I don't mind Mowins but I won't be able to listen to Galloway. It looks like I will be going to a bar. I'd love to just listen to the radio overlay, but I don't think I can get the game on live radio in San Diego, and I am not confident that I can match the streaming audio with my cable feed.
August 27th, 2014 at 8:29 PM ^
This is worse than playing Appalachain State.
August 27th, 2014 at 9:11 PM ^
Appalachian State?
August 27th, 2014 at 8:39 PM ^
Galloway is a pretty good commentator...for a buckeye. I don't mind him. I really don't like female commentators for football though. I'm sorry if that sounds sexist, but that's just the way it is.
August 27th, 2014 at 9:44 PM ^
It's hard to take a 43 year old man that goes by the name Joey, seriously. Joey is a baby kangaroo.
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August 27th, 2014 at 9:19 PM ^
Doris Burke is actually good, is the thing. Mowins is mediocre, Galloway is awful.
But when you schedule a shit game, you get shit announcers. Bleh.
August 28th, 2014 at 1:00 AM ^
When I saw the original title, I thought "well, why not, as long as we're turning the clock back to 2007?" Pam Ward and Mike Gottfried. Jimmy Dykes. Trevor Matich in the studio. Wasn't that the crap-game lineup back then?
August 27th, 2014 at 8:42 PM ^
August 27th, 2014 at 8:54 PM ^
there's no reason not to listen to Dan and Brandy on WTKA while the game is on the tube.
I admit this is pure unadulterated sexism, but I really can't stand listening to female football announcers. It just seems wrong to my ears.
*Edit: a look at the other thread about this implies the delay will still be in place for listeners not in the stadium. Dang.
August 27th, 2014 at 9:30 PM ^
August 27th, 2014 at 9:52 PM ^
It's a fair point you're making. My answer to your question is no, but it's not easy formulating a reason why one is acceptable and the other is not.
August 27th, 2014 at 10:06 PM ^
August 27th, 2014 at 10:31 PM ^
You have good and valid point.
I would say, though, that listening to someone doesn't have to do with the color of one's skin but the tones their voice makes. And it's obvious that some people just prefer that voice to be that of a males (tones, experience, etc.). Does that qualify as sexism? I'm not quite sure though I'd lean toward no without really delving into this notion.
But if broadcasting dealt with what someone looks like and the color of one's skin did make a difference, then there lies some issues and some seeded racisim adn a whole new discussion we're never going to have here.
August 27th, 2014 at 9:42 PM ^
I'm soo glad somebody said it. I'm no sexist, but I just don't like it. Seems so wrong. Girls don't play football, so they shouldn't be doing the play by play, or analysis, that should be reserved for people who either coached or played the game.
August 27th, 2014 at 10:07 PM ^
That's not the reason behind my preference. Bob Ufer and Frank Beckmann didn't coach or play the game, and they were great announcers. There are players and ex-coaches who I can't stand to listen to.
It's the particular character—the pitch, the tenor, the sound, the delivery—of a female voice announcing a football game that doesn't do it for me, at least none of those I've heard. Perhaps it's just that I haven't heard the right one yet. I have no problem with female announcers for other sports, such as Olympic competitions, figure skating, or pro biking, for example, since for me those sports don't demand the kind of ridiculous bombast that I instinctively associate with football.
Women should have every opportunity in broadcast journalism, including sports play-by-play. That doesn't mean that everybody will enjoy listening to them.
August 28th, 2014 at 4:40 PM ^
Football requires such uniquely masculine traits that women can't even play it. Putting a woman in the commentary booth strikes me as forced PC - we won't pretend they belong on the field, but here's a little poke to remind you that we're still completely equal in all ways. I'm suspicious that any female football announcer has that contrarian mindset, and that too rubs me the wrong way. I can't imagine that female announcers test positively with football audiences either, so this is just a forced social construction from the network; if ratings were important, they wouldn't monkey around with such nonsense.
August 27th, 2014 at 10:27 PM ^
Woooaaah, Nellie!
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Obviously the comment I responded to has been deleted.
August 27th, 2014 at 9:10 PM ^
Good music and drink keeps me calm.
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August 27th, 2014 at 9:27 PM ^
McDonough/Spielman is good. They make the game better/more interesting. Spielman is a biiiiiiiit of a homer so when he's calling OSU games it's a pain, but mostly he'll explain what's going on (especially defensively) in a way that increases your undestanding of what's going on. And McDonough is solid, usually accurate, and rises to the occassion really well (example: the Forcier ND game).
August 27th, 2014 at 9:41 PM ^
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August 27th, 2014 at 9:49 PM ^
You don't think there was anyone more pissed off than Spielman!? How about anyone who cared about Michigan. Yeesh.
August 27th, 2014 at 10:18 PM ^
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