Team 101

November 28th, 2023 at 6:33 PM ^

I hope it's offered to him.  He's been there so they know each other.  The standards at Indiana are realistic.  It's a basketball school and if the football team achieves mediocrity then it is considered a success.  I would hate to lose him but we want a staff who aspires to bigger and better things.

WolverineHistorian

November 28th, 2023 at 6:34 PM ^

I don’t want to lose him but I’m not surprised they’re interviewing him.  The Indiana players loved him when was on the coaching staff there and were devastated when he came home to Ann Arbor. 

MeanJoe07

November 28th, 2023 at 6:35 PM ^

Great for him!  Hate to lose him, but in the long run if Michigan provides opportunities for other coaches to further their careers then I think it's good for us in the long run.  The larger the coaching tree the better. 

SFBayAreaBlue

November 28th, 2023 at 6:43 PM ^

Good for him, but I'll definitely be sad to see him go.  The RB development under him has been amazing.  (if you ignore Donovan's slight regression this year)

Maybe his path will bring him back to AA down the line. 

But if Harbaugh leaves or is forced out or suspended for a significant time, it would be nice if Hart was here to be the main OC when Sherrone is HC.  But that's just me being greedy.

wildbackdunesman

November 28th, 2023 at 6:50 PM ^

It just occurred to me that MSU didn't interview any of our wonderful possible HC candidates in our staff.

That's disrespekt! We need to have a chip on our shoulder next time we play them.

treetown

November 28th, 2023 at 6:54 PM ^

Mike Hart deserves a look but releasing his name also helps Indiana look like they are trying to shake things up and get someone who might bring some excitement and interest. He's a name that locals and alumni would know and has some cachet.

HouseHarbaugh

November 28th, 2023 at 6:54 PM ^

Normally I would advise against this (see my post about Sherrone in another thread), but Mike Hart was an assistant at Indiana and obviously has ties there. If he wants this job, he should have it. Great man, great coach.

Carcajou

November 28th, 2023 at 7:06 PM ^

It's a great opportunity for Mike Hart to at least interview, on somewhat familiar turf. He'd be a fool not to interview for it and indicate some mutual interest. He knows the program, its limitations (and whatever advantages). 

It's also an indication to me that Indiana had some respect and acknowledgement for Tom Allen and the culture and staff he had there, and are looking to take it further, especially with the help of some Michigan-Harbaugh know-how thrown in the mix.

Catchafire

November 28th, 2023 at 7:11 PM ^

He would make Indiana into a coaching pipeline of former Michigan players.  Could easily see Braylon Edwards on that staff.

This is good for Michigan in the long run!

cbs650

November 28th, 2023 at 7:18 PM ^

This would be a good opportunity for him and I think he could get players to IND. 

I wish there was a rule like the NFL that you can't interview during championship week, you have to wait until the bye week (from the day after game until the week prior to the CFP playoffs and then the window opens back up the day after CFP championship game). 

doughboy

November 28th, 2023 at 7:32 PM ^

Love the fact that IU is giving Hart consideration.  Hart deserves it and IU has been nothing but gracious to him.  IU would be a very good stepping stone for MH.  Gives him the opportunity to test his "chops" as a full time Head Coach while doing it in front of a fan base and an administration that adores him.  It was SO impressive how IU responded last year when MH went down on our sideline with a heart issue.  IMHO, not many teams would have responded so quickly, caringly and professionally as they did (I'm looking at you Purdue).

WestQuad

November 28th, 2023 at 7:38 PM ^

That'd be pretty sweet, but I think Indiana is not a good place to coach.  You're third choice behind ND and Purdue in the state and behind everyone else in the region. It's like being at MSU but worse if you can imagine that.   I hear the campus is beautiful though.

Don

November 28th, 2023 at 7:49 PM ^

Indiana is the graveyard of head coaching aspirations.

Only one Indiana HC has gone from the Hoosiers to a more prominent program, and that was way back in the 1920s when William Ingram left Indiana to coach at Navy.

Mike should bide his time.

 

 

JBG

November 28th, 2023 at 7:53 PM ^

While the UI opportunity and paycheque may tempt MH to take the job, I think and hope he should turn both down and wait it out here where he is succeeding at a high level. 

Indiana is not a place where you are going to win enough to hold the job beyond the few years during which you get paid as a head coach before they fire you.  The math doesn't work for me unless your timeframe is 5 years or less after which you intend to retire.  

If I were him or advising him, I'd bide my time in AA in his current position where he is successful and presumably doing well enough financially to pay his bills and save some, wait for JH to retire or move on to the NFL, Moore to become HC and he OC here and/or then be heir in waiting and/or presumptive future HC if Moore jumps to a HC position elsewhere if JH sticks around longer than expected.  

By all measures MH is succeeding and thriving here.  Why go to Indiana and find himself in eternal purgatory and mediocracy and without a job in a few years as a guy who struggles to get to 4 wins?   

And this makes all the more sense if JH follows thru on his desires that students get more or a share of the CFB revenue pie and extends notion that to his assistants by taking less and giving them more.  

I'd like to see MH here for a long time, to be paid well enough that he is not interested in taking a HC position at a dead-end school, and in succession to step into the HC role when it presents

BornInA2

November 28th, 2023 at 7:59 PM ^

P5 college football is rapidly falling into two classes: Schools with big NIL money and schools without. Schools with are firing coaches with 10-2 records because they irrationally expect national championships. Schools without are irrationally firing coaches who don't win conference championships, even though they are losing every 3 star prospect that hits to schools that pay them.

The shared dysfunction is unrealistic expectations.

Indiana is going to be mediocre at best as long as the status quo persists. I guess a coach like Hart can go there and hope to string together a few bowl-eligible seasons that basically accomplishes the same as the 3 stars that hit: Move somewhere else with more money.

But it's really damn easy to become the next Tom Allen, Kevin Wilson, Bill Lynch, Terry Hoeppner, Gerry Dinardo, Cam Cameron, Bill Mallory, Sam Wyche, Lee Corso, John Pont, Phil Dickens, Bob Hicks, Bernie Crimmins, Clyde Smith, whoa, there you are 1934-1947 Indiana head coach Bo McMillin, 63-48-11, last Indiana head coach with an overall winning record there.

MMBbones

November 28th, 2023 at 8:26 PM ^

Mike and Freddie J are close. And I love them both. But Jackson shared that he was often just a pro forma interview. I think Mike is just being polite to Indiana. I doubt he has any plans of going there as HC. Schools typically know who they want and have to have some sort of "due process" in writing they can produce.

LabattsBleu

November 28th, 2023 at 8:57 PM ^

Good Luck to Mike!

When you hire good coaches, they will get other opportunities. Indiana, could be a stepping stone to another P5 job.

Hate to lose him, but in order to grow, sometimes you need to find other opportunities to try different things

AlbanyBlue

November 28th, 2023 at 9:03 PM ^

I really want the entire staff to remain at Michigan as '24 looks like a tough, tough year. But the reality is that our coaches will be coveted by many. I would assume that AT LEAST Moore will be a HC somewhere next year.

It will take some creativity for Michigan to retain who they can.

CLord

November 28th, 2023 at 9:13 PM ^

With the way the league is changing next year and the 4 top tier additions, teams like MSU and Iowa will not be sniffing a championship game for the rest of our lifetimes.  Indiana has already been in the mediocrity tier, so they'll have a lot more company going forward, which may actually result in more job security given how many other teams will now be in endless mediocrity.

DMack

November 29th, 2023 at 12:05 AM ^

Here we go. I didn't think about Indiana for Mike. I thought he might go to Syracuse. It makes sense and he definitely deserves a shot at HC.

Beaublue

November 29th, 2023 at 9:04 AM ^

Would be life changing money for Mike.

What would he get?  Maybe $5 million for 5 years??   If they offered him that guaranteed he would be foolish not to take it even knowing that he would likely be fired after year 3 or 4.

Just like we weren't ever going to keep JJ and Cade we aren't going to keep all of these great assistant coaches especially when they know that Moore is the heir apparent for the HC job at Michigan in anywhere from 1 to 6 years.  

Mr. Elbel

November 29th, 2023 at 9:21 AM ^

Glad we are finally at the point in our program where the general consensus is "I don't want to lose this guy, but we're GOING to lose some guys because they can't all be our HC."