Absolute media silence on Signgate since the suspension

Submitted by jimmyjoeharbaugh on November 15th, 2023 at 1:15 PM

Anyone noticed that the media has gone silent on Signgate since the suspension? Outside of a couple clickbaits about what Pete Finebaum and Lou Holtz think, there have been no leaks, no news on investigations, nothing on Ryan Day's PI firm or the Purdue transgressions, no other coaches whining about how wronged they were. No new leaks from our side either which is strange since I thought we were going scorched earth. 

Cynically that makes me think that the other coaches and ADs got what they wanted from little tony and so they can move on. 

I find the silence somewhat deafening, like somebody told everyone to shut up now that they got their pound of flesh. what do you think happened?

Jeremy

November 15th, 2023 at 1:42 PM ^

I think something comes out on Friday. If the judge rules in Michigan's favor something negative will be released. If the judge rules against Michigan I could see Michigan releasing some more stuff. 

evenyoubrutus

November 15th, 2023 at 1:44 PM ^

This opinion may not be popular, but I have a feeling the courts will choose to not intervene and the suspension will be upheld. I think if that ends up being the case, Michigan should let it go and let the Big Ten have their pound of flesh, not allowing this to turn into a "two day" story (or two months story, or whatever). It seems the NCAA has already moved on, and I believe Petitti simply did this to placate Ryan Day and others.

Imagine the fallout of we steamroll OSU the way we did previously but while Harbaugh (and naturally Stalions) not being on the sideline. OSU fans will have to eat their words in ways that are way bigger than the last two years. While it would be a shame for him to not be there, if anyone knows they aren't bigger than the team it's him and I think the win will be that much better.

Nickel

November 15th, 2023 at 1:46 PM ^

I think it's just that there hasn't been much new to report since then.

As much as our personal sports-world revolves around Michigan football, most of the rest of the country doesn't care. The NFL, the NBA, the start of college-basketball season, those are more interesting to the vast majority of the bell-curve of sports fans in the country, so those get the reporting.

Gob Wilson

November 15th, 2023 at 1:51 PM ^

Yesterday was the first day the WSJ (yes, that WSJ) did not have an anti - UM article for the last 10 days. They must employ a bunch of SEC and OSU slappies. 

goblu330

November 15th, 2023 at 1:52 PM ^

I will give my honest take and take some negs.  I am really uncomfortable with it.  It is my understanding that the NCAA is continuing to investigate it, and reports from CBS sports and other outlets are that the investigation is proceeding rapidly.  I found the BIG action nearly incomprehensible with what is current public knowledge, and I also find it odd that they suspended him only for remaining regular season games, saying nothing of a possible BIG title game appearance.  To me, a lot of it simply does not add up and feels like a To-Be-Continued. 

From Saturday until Monday, I was kind of acting off of adrenalin from a great win and kind of allowed the questions to roll off my back without examining it.  Now, with some space on, I do not like it at all.  I would like it, love it actually, if I was just seeing ghosts.  But I don't feel comfortable at all.

Hensons Mobile…

November 15th, 2023 at 2:14 PM ^

I'm not reading between your lines what you are reading between the lines.

Of course the NCAA is still investigating, and certainly they will view what Stalions did as a violation.

We have no new information. Are you presuming that the NCAA has found new things with which to punish Michigan beyond what we already basically know?

It's possible, but I don't see any reason to assume that right now.

goblu330

November 15th, 2023 at 2:27 PM ^

I'm saying that, with the information we currently have, the BIG breaking decades of protocol and absorbing what could be massive litigation to unfairly punish arguably its most important member and risk them legitimately leaving the conference over something minor does not make sense.  Flat out.  I don't know what it means nor can I even identify the lines that I am reading between.  I know that the BIG letter to Michigan did not take on a "caving to others" type of tone.  Not in my reading of it.  It took on more of a tone of "the calvary is coming."

Last Friday, at 1 PM, when I thought Michigan was going to be fined $10,000 and left alone, this all made sense.  Now it makes no sense.  I do not like things that don't make sense.

NittanyFan

November 15th, 2023 at 1:56 PM ^

No story runs "hot" 365/24/7.  It's probably just a cycle.

The "who was that guy on the CMU sideline?" question is still out there --- I may get neg votes for this, but if it WAS Stalions, I'd be pretty pissed off if I were at another B1G school. 

Pissed off at all of Stalions, Michigan and Central Michigan: in no way should a B1G assistant EVER be "moonlighting" (or whatever he was doing) at a game where the opponent is also a downstream conference opponent.

goblu330

November 15th, 2023 at 2:00 PM ^

But why would he possibly do that?  And how did he get there?  To me, that looks like something that could be part of the Stalions story and not even part of the Michigan story. 

(Which I am beginning to think are not necessarily the same show, but simply overlapped in like Season 3.  Michigan is like the Gus Fring of Breaking Stalions).

NittanyFan

November 15th, 2023 at 2:38 PM ^

To your questions --- I wouldn't know.  But the answers might fill in some blanks.

Of course, nobody's 100% sure that guy was Stalions.  But if there was clear evidence it wasn't him (e.g., Stalions' had a U-M issued cell phone that pinged off Ann Arbor towers that evening, or a Credit Card transaction from somehwere in AA that night, et cetera), I'm sure we would have heard by now, as that just ends that part of the story.

Hensons Mobile…

November 15th, 2023 at 2:18 PM ^

I find it hard to judge without knowing WTF he was doing there and who knew he was there.

If the only fact we have (and we don't even have this fact) is that CS was there, all that means we know is that it's a violation of advanced in-person scouting, which is exactly what we're already in trouble for regardless of the CMU game. Plus, this was probably the least effective way for him to do it.

NittanyFan

November 15th, 2023 at 3:09 PM ^

Good question.

I'm outraged by players who celebrate or show any emotion on the field.

I prefer all players, whether they win or lose, to not show emotion.  But especially if they lose.  It's highly important that we not upset fans of the winning team, and make those fans feel slighted or make those fans feel as if we are minimizing their accomplishment.

Anyway, to answer your question: I hope those PSU players feel awful about themselves.  Because they should.

Harball sized HAIL

November 15th, 2023 at 1:59 PM ^

Lawyers are involved at this point and are basically telling everyone to STFU.

It's far from over.  Certain "media" people are calling some kind of gray area - maybe rules violation - the biggest scandal of all time.

This story has had more legs than - Israel/Hamas, any kind of mass shooting, Ukraine - ha - no major news outlet in the US has reported on that in over a year.

Sometimes you have to ask simple questions and the answers are easy.  It's where any decent lawyer would start.

Can your phone record 3 hours of video?  Can you hold your phone in a fixed position for 3 hours with either one of both of your hands?

lilpenny1316

November 15th, 2023 at 2:01 PM ^

If there is a negotiation going on (which I doubt), I don't want it to come at the expense of actual rule breaking by other member institutions getting swept under the rug.

Perkis-Size Me

November 15th, 2023 at 2:07 PM ^

You can also attribute it to today's news cycle. People have incredibly short attention spans, and eventually they just move on to the next scandal du jour, whether its sports, entertainment, or politics. And we all know that last option has enough drama to go for decades. 

Signgate isn't leaving the news anytime soon, but eventually, another scandal comes along that captivates everyone's attention and Signgate just becomes "old news." 

s1105615

November 15th, 2023 at 2:12 PM ^

The lack of leaks about other programs being dirty makes me firmly believe those stories last week were all bluffs.  

If UM has dirt on anyone else, now is the time to release it.  I cannot think of another situation that would call for it more.  

93Grad

November 15th, 2023 at 2:32 PM ^

It was all weak bluffs and fan fiction.   We mostly got crushed in the PR war because Harbaugh is an easy target. we generate clicks and people think Michigan is arrogant.   

The fact that this was the fakest scandal in sports history and had zero effect on sportsmanship, player safety or posed any material competitive advantage only mattered to Michigan fans.  Everyone else just frothed at the mouth and cheered when Harbaugh got suspended.  

And given that the court denied the TRO last week and set the hearing for a Friday likely means we will get no redress in the courtroom either. 

All we can do at this point is hope they keep winning on the field.  That is likely all the vindication we will get at this point.  

Imjesayin

November 15th, 2023 at 2:14 PM ^

I would love to think it's because they finally got caught up on all the stories of their own teams doing worse shit, but I know they live in a stupid-bubble (that's meant to be read together) where they either don't know, don't care or are in denial of their glass house.

gbdub

November 15th, 2023 at 2:24 PM ^

I’m not sure what you mean. Harbaugh being suspended is constantly mentioned. His plan to speak at the hearing is in an ESPN article. 

I think at this point everyone is assuming “Michigan got punished, show mostly over” and the only people who care are rivals who want to call us cheaters.

True Blue Grit

November 15th, 2023 at 2:25 PM ^

I think there would be more chatter, but Michigan spoiled their party by beating Penn State without their head coach and no possible sign stealing going on.  The only people paying attention now are the mouth-breathing, knuckle-dragging, cousin-marrying, pig-farming, cooler-crapping, brain-dead OSU and MSU goobers on 11 warriors and RCMB.  

Fishbulb

November 15th, 2023 at 2:37 PM ^

Maybe because “everyone” feels “something was done.” Maybe Lil’ Tone knows it is going to be overturned but did it anyway so he can look at the other coaches, AD’s and media who put pressure on him and say “Hey—I tried!”

McSomething

November 15th, 2023 at 2:45 PM ^

We're also no longer in the boring middle part of the season. September is exciting because football is back. November is exciting because all the season storylines (conference championship plus playoff races) are being tied off. October is the middle act that networks have to spruce up because attention wanes. Watch, set your calendar for next October, I'm betting you some major off the field incident occurs that garners all the attention for 2-3 weeks.

njvictor

November 15th, 2023 at 2:45 PM ^

Yep, it's definitely interesting. It seems like the only articles still trickling out are journalists and talking heads who have decided that the world needs to hear their opinion on the situation and get on their high horse

Hotel Putingrad

November 15th, 2023 at 2:49 PM ^

It's not silent on ESPN. SAS still says Michigan should be banned from the CFP.

If Michigan has anything juicy on OSU, it would be prudent to wait until Monday morning to release it. You want to flood the zone with shit when it serves as maximum possible distraction from prep for The Game.

But I wouldn't hold my breath. I do believe there is a binder, but it's mostly filled with stuff that in the public's mind isn't illegal anymore (i.e., paying players and their families for visits and such).

At some point over the course of the NCAA investigation we'll find out the real story behind the PI firm, but that could literally be years down the road.

Signgate was all about embarrassing Harbaugh. The best thing we could do is win on 11/25 and then immediately announce a lifetime contract for Jim.

Blinkin

November 15th, 2023 at 3:04 PM ^

1. They got their pound of flesh.

2. We beat a top-10 team on the road down 1 head coach (with <24 hours notice) and down 1 sign stealer (PSU still had their sign stealer, don't pretend they didn't).

We proved it wasn't "just the signs."  Winning, especially with unplanned adverse conditions, removes all doubt. 

jblaze

November 15th, 2023 at 3:16 PM ^

It's clear that this was a coordinated PR attack on Michigan by the daily hits that kept coming (usually, they would all come at once or at least 2 days apart). I think the ESPN hit job was just them trolling for clicks, which they certainly got.

But the latest lack of leaks/ news is simply because it's Petitti and the B1G lawyers vs. One, Warde and our lawyers. There just aren't a ton of people involved and most are lawyers or the guys in charge so leaks are just unlikely. 

I don't think the B1G told other teams to STFU and I don't think Michigan has anything on the other teams anyway to keep them quiet.

Right now, it's just lawyers and bosses and the PI firm's dirt is dry.