Twitter follows are the new flight tracker - Joe Moorhead edition
A number of UM coaches and grad assistants just started following Joe Moorhead. In particular, he is the newest follow for Sherroone Moore and Mike McCray. Grant Newsome recently started following as well. I can't think of a better potential outcome than Moorhead co-OC/QB and Gattis co-OC/WR.
December 20th, 2020 at 2:48 PM ^
No. Please don't get my hopes up. Stop it. If this doesn't happen (disclaimer: this is not an actual threat. It is meant for humorous purposes only and does not reflect the actual intentions of the user)
December 20th, 2020 at 3:47 PM ^
No disclaimer. I will find him and kill him for you.
December 20th, 2020 at 2:50 PM ^
No way we get that lucky. This would be the don brown (2016-2018) of the offense
December 20th, 2020 at 6:13 PM ^
So you figure we'll get only his good years & he'll move along before the DB from osu 2018-present years kick in?
I'm IN!
December 21st, 2020 at 3:15 PM ^
the don brown (2016-2018) of the offense
Consider my hyped on the idea of having a good offense against the weaker 75% of our opponents.
December 20th, 2020 at 2:50 PM ^
Would he really come here to be co-OC?
December 20th, 2020 at 2:56 PM ^
Love the idea of getting him on staff, but I hope it’s not a “co OC” situation. This offense has been without an identity for years. Get one dude who knows his shit and let him truly have control.
December 20th, 2020 at 3:09 PM ^
IF Moorhead comes in as co-OC and Gattis is stil in Ann Arbor, this is a HUGE f-ing win.
Please, baby Jesus make it so...
December 20th, 2020 at 3:31 PM ^
I totally agree with this HAWT KARL TAKE!!!
December 20th, 2020 at 2:57 PM ^
He’s getting $900K per year at Oregon. He’s from Pittsburgh. He might be tempted to come back to the mid-west for a pay raise.
December 20th, 2020 at 2:58 PM ^
A few things tell me there's a SLIGHT chance.
1. The rumors of a bigger staff allowance for Harbaugh.
2. Perhaps he and Gattis are close friends and he wants to help him. When the chatter happened between Gattis and Locksley, Moorhead came to Gattis' defense.
3. His entire life before this year was on this side of the Mississippi.
Edit* By "help" I mean mentor further, not be underneath him. It could end up being a similar dynamic to what Gattis had at Alabama with Locksley where Locksley was the play caller and Gattis helped come up with the game plans. Here, Moorhead could be the play caller.
December 20th, 2020 at 3:16 PM ^
What about the Mason-Dixon?
December 20th, 2020 at 4:01 PM ^
Well, he was in Starkville for a while as well as Washington DC.
December 20th, 2020 at 6:43 PM ^
How much bigger can it be?
According to Crain's Detroit Business:
Josh Gattis: 1.1 million per plus $400,000 bonus
Warrinner: $550,000
Jay Harbaugh: $300,000
Sherrone Moore: $250,000
Brown: $1 million plus $400,000 bonus, which I'm sure he didn't get this year.
Zordich: $400,000
This is based on 2019 and Pep Hamilton was paid 1 million plus $250,000 bonus. Campanile $415,000.
Noah's wasn't given upon request, so the total package came to $5.515 mil.
This doesn't include paid analyst.
This ranked 9th in college football. OSU was 1st at 7.3 million.
https://www.crainsdetroit.com/sports/michigan-near-top-million-dollar-assistant-coaches
December 20th, 2020 at 7:42 PM ^
Considering we are 12th at best in the nation in 2020 in staff spending, I'd say we have room to grow. I say at best because the USA Today site doesn't include Penn State, USC, or Notre Dame as they don't release that information. Schools ahead of us: Alabama, Ohio State, Clemson, Texas A&M, LSU, Georgia, Auburn, Texas, Tennessee, Florida, Oklahoma in that order. And like I said, USC, Notre Dame, and Penn State may also be ranked above us. Sorry, but if you want to compete you have to invest aggressively in the staff.
December 20th, 2020 at 7:55 PM ^
How does a public institution like PSU get away with that?
December 20th, 2020 at 8:04 PM ^
No idea.
December 20th, 2020 at 3:21 PM ^
Maybe it’s a pass game coordinator/QB coach combo type thing. Fingers crossed
December 20th, 2020 at 2:51 PM ^
I. Want. This.
December 20th, 2020 at 2:52 PM ^
If Moorhead joins, no need to keep Gattis.
December 20th, 2020 at 2:55 PM ^
Wasn't Gattis basically his co-oc at PSU? He's barely even the OC now.
December 20th, 2020 at 2:55 PM ^
Unless Moorhead is coming in as HC
/s
December 20th, 2020 at 2:57 PM ^
I kinda feel like, unless they're doing the coach in waiting/understudy for a year thing (which i hope not) that the assistants wouldn't start following the guy who is likely to fire all of them and bring in his own staff.
December 20th, 2020 at 3:08 PM ^
I thought maybe Tim Banks might be that Head Coach in Waiting thing, but he might need to prove himself for a year first.
December 20th, 2020 at 3:14 PM ^
Nah, Banks is 49 years old and has never been a HC.
Doubtful UM thinks that’s the best they could do.
December 20th, 2020 at 3:21 PM ^
Wrong. Gattis is a fantastic recruiter.
December 20th, 2020 at 3:38 PM ^
Good point
And a damn good WR coach
December 21st, 2020 at 3:59 AM ^
I mean, maybe? DPJ looks a lot better in the NFL as a rookie than he did in Michigan's offense last year.
December 21st, 2020 at 5:26 AM ^
Why bother putting effort into running routes when a sneeze in the stands will knock down the pass by that noodle armed QB that always got the start no matter how ineffectual the offense was, meritocracy my ass!!
December 20th, 2020 at 4:31 PM ^
Disagree. Gattis and Moorhead can both contribute. What exactly is Harbaughs role? Seems like if anyone is expendable, it’s him. I seriously don’t understand why we’d be keeping him around in this scenario.
December 20th, 2020 at 5:50 PM ^
Are you talking about Jim or Jay?
December 20th, 2020 at 6:25 PM ^
Jim. I just don’t understand what role he fills that is benefitting the team if we were to have two OCs, one of which is a qb coach, new defensive staff, etc. he’s terrible at game management on game day, his press conferences are useless, etc. “What would you say ya do here?” Other than having a title and getting paid as head coach, what is he contributing that justifies his existence? Instead of firing him, pay two OC’s and a qb coach? I don’t get it.
December 20th, 2020 at 7:54 PM ^
Allowing the OC to OC, and the DC to DC. All those guys have to do is worry about their units, not everything else. Budgets, game plans, recruiting coordination, glad handing with the boosters, PR, HR, reporting to the AD, discipline/player promotions, personnel evaluations, support staff, analysts, parents, nutrition, medical, and on and on and on...
December 20th, 2020 at 9:25 PM ^
I think your description of Harbaughs job is grossly overstated. You think Jim Harbaugh is managing the medical and nutritional aspects of this team? You must be joking. His PR is terrible. We discussed his game plans and their lack of success. Recruiting is not unique to him. He has people for all of the things you mentioned minus schmoozing whatever boosters still like him. I agree that these are responsibilities of a head coach. My question remains, which of these things is he doing at a level that makes him worth retaining?
December 21st, 2020 at 4:12 AM ^
Why even have a head coach at all. Fire Harbaugh and let all his assistants do Rock Paper Scissors each week to see who gets to be in charge
December 20th, 2020 at 2:53 PM ^
Joe and Josh are good friends. They would work extremely well together and JJ would excel under Joes coaching.
December 20th, 2020 at 3:00 PM ^
Moorhead would be a good get for the offense and an upgrade over McDaniels.
Derek Mason (hoping) and Tim Banks (where there’s smoke) on defense would be nice adds there too.
December 20th, 2020 at 8:34 PM ^
I'm certainly intrigued by Derek Mason after reading this...https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/sec-football/what-sec-can-learn-from-defensive-guru-derek-mason/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
December 20th, 2020 at 2:56 PM ^
In that scenario, Gattis is definitely getting demoted. I don't see him holding onto a co-OC role after this year's fire of tires, and definitely not if we're cravin' Moorhead.
December 20th, 2020 at 3:20 PM ^
I see what you did there. Well played.
December 20th, 2020 at 3:29 PM ^
How did you get a hint on how to evaluate Gattis this year? Please tell me your criteria? This makes no sense. Unless you’re a coach you have no idea what he was able to accomplish. He’s had one year to actually install an offense. Give me a break.
December 20th, 2020 at 3:32 PM ^
I get the sense that you are not craving Moorhead.
December 20th, 2020 at 3:56 PM ^
Actually it’s the exact opposite. Sometimes it’s hard to execute answering one question when it has nothing to do with,”my” other question.
December 20th, 2020 at 5:18 PM ^
I don’t think your opinion on Gattis should affect whether you are craving Moorhead.
December 20th, 2020 at 3:40 PM ^
How do you evaluate any coach? By the results on the field.
Gattis has been the Offensive Coordinator at Michigan for 2 years, and the offenses he has coordinated have been terrible. By virtually any objective measurement, the results under Gattis in 2019 and 2020 have been worse than under Pep Hamilton in 2018.
Maybe Gattis will be a good OC someday, but he isn't one now. I understand that he is a good recruiter and WR coach, but it's amazing how little his reputation has been impacted, at least among people who post on this board, by the repeated failures of the last two years.
December 20th, 2020 at 3:52 PM ^
Somebody on that team is not a good play caller.
December 20th, 2020 at 5:56 PM ^
Lmfao THIS! But! This has been a consistent issue since Jedd Fisch
December 20th, 2020 at 7:21 PM ^
I think the issue is who is actually calling the plays? Who is drawing up the game plan? Because what we have seen is no consistency on what they want to do from game to game other than pound their heads up against the middle of the defense. They seem to do very little to put players in position to succeed and if its because the players don't know the playbook enough to execute it then maybe the playbook is either too big or complicated.
December 20th, 2020 at 5:14 PM ^
It's 2020, it shouldn't take that long to install an offense. Lane Kiffen's O did well year 1, Morehead put up numbers at Oregon with a first time QB and opt outs, Mike Leach started putting up points at the end of a year with a freshman QB and a freshman WR1. Briles made Felipe Franks look decent a few games. They all had less time to install an O than Gattis.
December 20th, 2020 at 3:35 PM ^
I agree that Gattis is definitely getting demoted, but a co-OC role would already be a demotion. Gattis had a co-OC title at Alabama. He came to Michigan for a chance to be the primary playcaller. He got that chance and it was a disaster.
If Michigan can bring in a more experienced playcaller to take over primary duties while keeping on Gattis in a lesser role, that's a huge win. The best way to do that is to bring in a co-OC to take over the offense and play the role that Locksley did at Alabama. It's clearly a step down for Gattis, but with enough deniability to allow everyone to save face.