SIAP: Fauci says football "may not happen" this year
Title says it all. Just reporting the news without commentary. Link to CNN below. I tried to find links from OAN, The Daily Stormer, The Communist Daily, Dictator Times, and Anarchy News, to be fair and balanced, but couldn't.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/18/us/football-happen-fauci-spt-trnd/index…
Yeah. I generally read all of these comments at this point being "you are going to have outbreaks and people are going to be sick, but we also seem hell-bent on returning to 'normal' so it may not matter the risk".
This is where I have issue with Fauci. He should avoid falling into reporters traps like this and stick to the science. If someone asks if football is going to happen he should say, “I can’t really say because I’m not privy to conversations happening in those leagues. What I can say is [insert statement about importance of social distancing and testing, and the risk associated with large gatherings].”
get yourself out of headlines, but reinforce the message based on the best available science. He’s basically failing every PR teams guidance on how to deliver a message. Which leads me to believe no one is actually giving him good guidance.
isn't he basically saying playing football is a bad idea based on the current science?
Agree. This is the way that people of his profession speak, in less than absolutes due to the nature of what they do. It’s how they’re trained, and it’s what makes them good at what they do (examining and understanding rather than assuming and/or making huge definitive statements). The mistake we are all making is in dissecting everything he has to say. I MAY get super rich out of sheer luck, or I MAY not, but one is much more likely than the other. That being said, we should keep seeking his guidance, but understanding the messenger better.
I pretty much don't click on any article that says something "may" or "could" happen. Sure it could. And the Lions could win the Super Bowl. Speculation is fun, but I can extrapolate from data on my own time, without giving some drama inspired headline a click. The headline itself probably has as much real information as the article.
It's toned down in recent weeks - but you are right as regards the words "may" and "could." Those words seemed to be in the headlines of EVERY article back in April.
MIM Notes or nothing! (That was always an amusing read back in the day on campus.)
The most important part of that quote is the "if there is a second wave" part. I think he is absolutely correct.
Me too, except in one respect.
You can't have a second wave until the first wave stops.
Like in Michigan?
Yeah, I’m sticking with my initial prediction of an attempt to get started but a shut down. Teams keep reporting cases and having to quarantine players already and workouts really haven’t even started. KSU had none, then a week later had 2, then a few days later announced 5 more. All of this with quarantine efforts and limited workouts. It just doesn’t seem possible to me for teams to be able to have legit, “get ready for football”, workouts and practices without the virus running through the entire team and staff. I really hope it happens but I’m very skeptical.
Honestly, I think the first time a highly ranked team loses a game because they had a star player or two that has to sit out due to COVID may be the catalyst for the scenario you point out.
Also, if it's Bama or Clemson's QB who tests positive before a big game, do you think Saban or Dabo is quarantining him or sitting on the results to maximize their chances of wining the game?
With a little over 2 months remaining until shoe hits leather, and no sound plan or decision in place regarding the 2020 football season, its looking worse and worse as each day passes that there will be no football this year.
Save this post for future reference and I'll also go on the record and state that the Orlando NBA season restart will also be canceled - before it even starts.
Obviously things can change and I'll post this without comment on whether I think it's the correct decision. The Big Ten schools at this point are confident that the season will start on time with crowds limited to 20-25% capacity (at least for the two Michigan schools but OSU released similar numbers a few weeks back). I'd at least argue that the decision has been made, whether things play out in a manner that allows this plan to happen is arguable but for now, at least, the schools are confident that the season will start on time. Granted this info is being presented at the same time sponsors are renewing contracts for the upcoming season, so grain of salt and all that but this is the most declarative/confident course of action I've heard to date.
I can echo this.
I was recently with a major donor to U of M athletics who also has high-level access to the athletic department and football coaches. He said, at this point they are 110% planning on having the football season.
Crowd levels are TBD.
Obviously, this is all subject to change based on a spike in coronavirus cases...but it's full steam ahead at this point.
The NCAA literally approved the plan for the season to go on as scheduled.
See my post in the thread around that. Actually I will save you the time. It said:
"LOL"
So NOW all of a sudden we are supposed to trust the NCAA and it's "counsel". Please.
Football will be played this year, at all levels. So tired of seeing all the doom & gloom liberal bullshit on this board.
I am a liberal who has been vocally opposed to many of the lockdown measures imposed during this pandemic (on this board and elsewhere). It's not that simple. Don't try to reduce everything in life to a partisan divide; it's simplistic and often wrong.
You and I have been on opposite sides with respect to the lockdowns, although we seem to agree on most other things.
Spend and hour and a half watching the newest Frontline episode that talks about how badly we fucked this thing up in the beginning.
If we, and other countries, had taken it seriously and implemented a mitigation strategy early on, we may not have had to shut down everything.
Instead we went about our business and ignored the threat. And not just the US. Half the world fucked up.
I completely agree with you on the first part of your post. I think it was treated with uncertainty and indifference at first, in part due to poor information (I'm looking at you, CCP) and in part for political reasons. Then, when reality began to appear, panic ensued and measures were taken without the full array of consequences of those measures being considered. I still think we are in the midst of the panic phase now, and that is evidenced by everyone holding out hope that we can rush a vaccination to market and save the world. So, everything vis-a-vis the reopening should be done slowly and deliberately for the sake of safety, but we should "rush" a vaccine to market that we plan to inject into a billion people? There is a disconnect there.
I have no idea if social distancing and lockdowns really did much, other than crash the economy and dramatically undermine the social system. People were on here applauding the "success" of NY and Michigan yesterday as exemplars of the benefits of the stern measures taken. Seriously? The two states with the largest number of deaths and the worst case fatality rate should be lauded as "successes"? Why, because so many of the vulnerable have already been infected and hospitalized (and died) that now things look better?
The bottom line: I have no idea what the right choices here should be, but I am not convinced the path we are on is worth the consequences.
"everything vis-a-vis the reopening should be done slowly and deliberately for the sake of safety, but we should "rush" a vaccine to market that we plan to inject into a billion people? There is a disconnect there."
why is that a disconnect?
both approaches are trying to balance benefit-risk ratio.
My personal opinion is that a few specific actions did most of the heavy lifting to slow the spread. Canceling sporting events, concerts, large gatherings, church services, basically anything involving large numbers of people in the same place, did the most good. Both Italy and Spain had massive outbreaks due at least in part to fucking soccer.
Second, getting people out of office towers and working from home instead. Most buildings almost seem designed to spread disease. Windows that don't open, HVAC systems that aren't designed to filter out anything smaller than dirt, poorly ventilated elevators with buttons that everyone touches, and people jammed together in cubicle farms. Not to mention a corporate culture that encourages people to come to work sick.
Had we done those things in January or February instead of late March, we would have had much less community transmission.
I agree 100%. "Surgical interventions" would have been a wiser choice, rather than cutting off a leg to save the patient. But I fear that "shut everything down again" may be chosen in the future, with all sorts of specious interpretations of data to support these actions.
Yes, NY and Michigan have handled their situations as well as any. It's irrefutable.
All state governments were equally unprepared for the first outbreaks thanks to terrible leadership by the federal government and pathetic testing roll out.
Because Detroit and NYC got hit hard early, their reactions have been the strongest. And lo and behold, the course of the virus was dramatically changed despite very low total infection rates, so there is no herd immunity factor. Why did it work? Because virus transmission relies on proximity and interaction.
So yes, shelter in place worked. Yes, masks help. Yes shutting down restaurants and non essential businesses worked. There's no mystery why it worked. And the data is the real proof.
I agree with a lot of what you're saying, but please be better than to use made up statistics or throw out lazy arguments.
"The two states with the largest number of deaths and the worst case fatality rate" -- where are you pulling this information from? Michigan is not even top 5 in total number of deaths or death rate (per 100,000).
Also, let's assume that NY will continue to have the highest # of Covid cases and deaths for the foreseeable future (not such a wild assumption) --- does that mean we cannot learn anything from NY's response? As NY cases, deaths and R rate continue to decline while other states (AZ, FL, TX. etc.) are experiencing record highs should we just assume that the other states are 'doing better' because they have lower totals than NY?
NY is clearly the leader in deaths. Depending on which numbers you use, Michigan is either first or definitely in the top three for CFR - total number of deaths/number of confirmed cases. It is certainly a contest between Michigan and Connecticut, one way or another. To put it in perspective, California has almost 100,000 more confirmed cases and almost 1000 fewer deaths. No made up stats are needed; Michigan has experienced a tragedy almost unlike anywhere else throughout this...
Has nothing to do with being left or right you idiot. There has been ZERO spring practices, we are about a 45 days outside of fall camp, we have no idea if the fall semester will be remote or limited seating, season ticket window (for this year) keeps getting extended, and you think there will be football this year???
For the record, I'm a conservative. Thank you.
Oh yeah, because I'd much rather listen to the other side that would have you believe the virus is dying out, while 20+ states have spiking cases. But hey, we can all get haircuts again, so suck it, COVID. Am I doing this right?
No, COVID is not the end of the world. This isn't like an airborne Stage-4 lung cancer spreading around, and I don't want to preach doom and gloom either. I think until a vaccine is figured out (IF a vaccine is ever figured out), we will all have to find a way to just live with this thing. But to pretend that everything's fine and will completely go back to normal within a few months is irresponsible thinking. Just like all the assholes going out and completely disregarding attempts to socially distance.
Like many things, the answer lies somewhere in the middle.
I know how you feel, I'm tired of angry hillbillies who don't know their heads from their asses.
Thing about hillbillies, is that they think city slickers don’t know their heads from their asses.
Fauci also said that I might win the lottery or a Nobel Prize.
I asked him to run a model for me to get the correct Mega Millions #'s when the jackpot was recently over $300M. Got 3 numbers in the 10 draws. Fauci, while respected, has been on every side of the argument during this phase. Wants everyone in the house until a vaccine is developed, sorry Doc, can't do!
I think it starting and stopping is more likely than not happening at all
It could go on, but some teams might get slammed with cases to star players that could hugely impact team performance. Keeping players in a bubble - socially - may be the key to winning the national title this year ! Good luck with that on college campuses.
Isn't CNN the Communist News Network?
So many people rag on CNN unfairly due to their own partisanship. However... as someone who started watching CNN religiously starting 9/11, I can honestly say that it has changed substantially - and not all of it was for the better.
I like FOX, the Farting On Xylophones network. It's my fetish.
I pooped
Realistically, there are so many scenarios that would shut down a team, a conference and/or consequently a NCAA season even if it started that I don't understand how they are seriously thinking that a season is going to happen. NFL maybe - where everyone is following the same rules and there can be strict oversight and isolation but even then it will probably only happen if there are no fans.
Fauxmo---interesting group of peers you chose for CNN.
Really sets the tone for an objective conversation.
This guy rides the brake pedal.
Football is coming soon.
Given the major spike in Alabama ... maybe he means there will be no Alabama football this year.
From The Hill, yesterday:
Speaking on TheStreet, Fauci discusses how effective face masks are at preventing COVID-19 infection and why they weren’t recommended from the start. "Masks are not 100 percent protective. However, they certainly are better than not wearing a mask. Both to prevent you, if you happen to be a person who maybe feels well, but has an asymptomatic infection that you don't even know about, to prevent you from infecting someone else," Fauci said.
"But also, it can protect you a certain degree, not a hundred percent, in protecting you from getting infected from someone who, either is breathing, or coughing, or sneezing, or singing or whatever it is in which the droplets or the aerosols go out. So masks work,” Fauci added.
“The important thing is actually physical separation,” Fauci said, adding that the combination of social distancing and face masks is the best way for the public to mitigate the spread and reduce transmission while maintaining some normalcy by venturing in public.
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Let's see what happens with the NBA and NHL restarts before we worry about football.
Fauci pours cold water on these things whenever he can. He also contradicts himself more often than not. Wait a few weeks and he'll reverse himself on this.
Lol CNN