Steven Threet knocks Rich Rod, Lloyd Carr, and Bill Martin on Twitter
The Departed is indeed a great movie.
Threet to RichRod: you must be the other guy
One of my top 3 Scorsese movies.
My all time favorite
I have to go with Raging Bull just because those fight scenes are some of the best stuff ever put on film.
So many great ones, like Raging Bull, that I could not pick a favorite or personal best.Goodfellas and The Wolf of Wall Street join The Departed in my Top 3.
He felt misled because Carr knew he was going to retire and let Threet and his family believe he was actually going to be his coach. In other words, he felt misled because Carr misled him. But if Carr had been honest with kids, he would have had a final recruiting class of about 3 kids (maybe even two years in a row since he wanted to retire after 2006).
I miss sports.
Who?
Dear f'ing lord. I'm not that old, but I can’t understand Twitter-speak. Can someone translate?
I'm still angry with Bill Martin. Man did a lot of good things for UM but made one large (and very avoidable) mistake. Lloyd isn't blameless either, but this was Martin's call.
Yup. Lloyd let personal grudges get in the way and torpedo’d UM football while Martin mailed it in from his yacht.
The perfect 1-2 punch and K.O. on Michigan football
I remain convinced that Martin was on his yacht on purpose. There was tremendous internal resistance to hiring Les Miles and he chose a creative way to dodge it. Have you seen his yacht? It is spectacular and tremendously expensive; he could have been reachable if he had wanted to be.
My evaluation of this non-move has shifted over the years. Not because I have changed my mind on how Les Miles would have done, but about the rest of the program.
I have always felt that Les Miles would have done one of two things at Michigan. Neither option would meet our expectations. Option one: He would fit his recruiting to Michigan's "as clean as it can be" ethic under Carr and recruit no better, and frustrate us with his neolithic offensive principles. As a result, Michigan would continue its basic Carr level of performance--3-4 losses in most years, maybe a good 2-loss season in there, always a head-scratcher and basically owned by OSU. Eventually he'd have a worse year and get fired and probably replaced by a program guy. Option two: He recruits like he did at LSU, but without LSU's friendly media (remember what the Freep was doing around that time) the program gets in trouble, he is forced out, and Michigan endures a couple of years of penalties because our program believes in that stuff.
My opinion, for years, is that I didn't like either of those options and that I didn't want Miles. I had hopes that Hoke would be better, and he wasn't. When we got Harbaugh, I figured that the suffering of the previous non-Miles years was worth it, because it led us to finally get a truly elite coach who would win the way we wanted to.
Well, we haven't won. It has been 12 years. If Michigan had gotten in NCAA trouble, they still could have bounced back--Penn State has recovered better from nearly getting the death penalty because they let a guy prey on boys for 30 years than we have recovered from hiring RR and Brady Hoke and they have the trophies and big wins to prove it--and been fine. If Miles had recruited like a Michigan Man and we wound up meh like that for 12 years, it's still better than what we had, and we probably have more than one win against OSU.
So Miles almost certain would have resulted in mediocrity, but it would have been better mediocrity than what we got instead.
I’ve never thought of Martin “hiding out” on his yacht before. Extremely possible.
Everything else...very well said.
Threet-
- Class of 2007: not offered by Michigan, signed with Georgia Tech
- Presumed to be the leader for the GT starting job in 2007 spring practice
- Coaches that recruited him left
- Transfers in July of 2007 to Michigan but walks on to The Team for 2007
- Lloyd Carr took Jason Forcier in 2005 (transferred), David Cone in 2006 and immobile 5 star Ryan Mallett in 2007
- Lloyd retires
- Mallett transfers after Lloyd practically insists he leaves
- Pryor signs with OSU in 2008
Michigan's 2008 QB room-
Steven Threet, guy we never offered to begin with whose best offer was Wisconsin
Nick Sheridan, local walk on
David Cone, nice rap skills but never sniffed the field despite being on scholarship
3 star ATH Justin Feagin was our only hope of having a mobile QB. Didn't enroll early and had a hard time picking up the playbook. Moved to WR in 2009 before being dismissed for dealing cocaine.
That is how we ended up with Steven Threet at QB.
Not his fault. Just epic, catastrophic damage done to the program by those who were left to take care of it.
Mallett certainly wasn’t a running QB but he could move his feet and get some yards if the play broke down.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVTt_6wN48w
I am not a fan of his character but the kid was a talent. If he stays the trajectory of Michigan football is vastly different.
All that tells me is that Lloyd did a poor job recruiting for the most important position on the team after Henne. Just imagine what would've happened if PSU would've prioritized Henne over Anthony Morelli.
We were headed towards a mediocre 2008 season regardless because Mallett was not coming back.
He probably would have Tweeted more juicy details, but he turned his head to quickly and got another concussion.
what, too soon???
I am guessing if Lloyd stayed or Les had been hired then Mallett would have stayed. Threet would have never seen the field in Ann Arbor.
I agree with him that RR was a shit show and Martin and Lloyd are culpable. Dark times.
Mallett wasn't going to remain in Ann Arbor no matter the head coach. Compliance was going to demand he sit, and he was going to go somewhere that doesn't happen.
What was the compliance issue? I don’t recall that.
Not sure but met Mallet once in Scorekeepers and he was - how to put this politely - not smart. Not like “oh you’re an athlete maybe you won’t win a Nobel prize” - more like “I’m not entirely sure how you managed to leave the house successfully.” If he was pulling his weight in the classroom I’d eat a lemon
Lloyd was very fed up with Mallett by the end of 2007 season as told to me by a team member. He was basically a jerk whom (virtually) no one liked.
A very drunk jerk at that.
100/100 people surveyed would take what we are now over then.
We're having problems beating a team that's in the top-3 every year. But Harbaugh has beat the shit out of every B1G team at least once if not multiple times.
We couldn't even beat Northwestern or Toledo back then.
No, we have a problem beating OSU every year plus any opponent with a pulse on the road plus the bowl game.
It doesn't have to only be what we are now or the shittiest season in Michigan history as choices.
BTW Harbaugh has one more top ten win than Rich Rod.
We've won some good road games, but obviously those teams did not have a pulse because we beat them. Had they beaten us, they would have had a pulse. I know how this works.
Under Mr. Wonderful, the Michigan football team has NEVER beat a team that it was not favored to beat. During the last 5 football seasons, Michigan has not won a game in which it was the underdog. Let that sink in.
Were we favored against Notre Dame last year?
edit- couldn't find the point spread but they (ND) were ranked 8th and we were ranked 19th going in. Seems like they would have been favored, but maybe not.
ND was favored slightly until shortly before kickoff when it was flipped to Michigan (-1). To geniuses like Mr. Jim, that last minute switch means the win held no value.
Okay? Is that supposed to be a criticism?
Has Saban?
Road wins don't count unless the top team is in the top 5 and finishes there.
Harbaugh was one yard short, but a loss is a loss.
What good road games? Name them.
Unranked PSU in 2015? Unranked Minnesota?
Unranked MSU in 2016?
Unranked Northwestern in 2018? There was #24 MSU in 2018.
“Unranked Northwestern” was, of course, “Big Ten West Champions Northwestern,” so yes.
Penn State 2015. MSU 2018. Indiana last year.
Aside from Iowa 2016, every road loss has been against a team that won between 10 and 13 games and played in the NY6 or made the playoffs. Not getting a win in those situations yet is hardly something to turn into Veruca Salt over.
You mean Northwestern who the week before lost to Akron? Northwestern from the West division that everyone on the blog continually shits on for being weak?
Look, I get it. You want to be angry and unhappy, and that psyche colors everything you see negatively.
But Michigan has objectively had some good road wins, including Northwestern. Pouting and stamping around like a little bitch won’t change that. Sorry.
You have no other argument so you resort to name calling, got it.
I remember when we actually used to win big road games while you, and many others have to change your narrative to what that is because you'll defend Harbaugh to the end of the earth for whatever reason.
1996: at #5 Colorado, at #2 Ohio State
1997: at #15 MSU, at #2 Penn State, at #24 Wisconsin
1999: at #20 Wisconsin, at #8 Penn State
2000: at #19 Illinois, at #12 OSU
2003: at #9 MSU, at #17 Minnesota,
2004: at #12 Purdue
2005: at #11 MSU, at #21 Northwestern
2006: at #2 Notre Dame
My argument is based in sound reasoning and objective logic. Yours is just stamping around like a little girl whining about the good old days. I find it odd how an old timer can also be a petulant little brat. Do you dress up in pigtails and a little girls dress when you post on here?
I'm not old. I'm 26 and tired of Michigan wasting potential.
You're probably older than me and witnessed more of those wins than I did actually, so I don't get your reasoning for defending the current situation when there's proof we can do better.
Ah. A sh**-stain Millennial. That actually makes much more sense.
I hope you find peace.
Good one, Larry.
Michigan has performed poorly in bowl games for 50 years.
Plus, this board came to the conclusion bowl games didn’t matter when we had a bunch of healthy guys sit them out. So players got a pass because who could blame them as bowl games are glorified scrimmages and Harbaugh gets blame for not winning them without those starters as he “can’t win important games.” Those are the rules.
Yeah you nailed it here. Moving target. If Harbaugh beats a top 7 team it will be “cant beat a top 5 team”
"The board" is not me and I don't think bowl games don't matter. The board comes together to justify anything bad that happens to us as a team as anybody else's fault but Harbaugh. The refs, the bagmen, the online classes, that player was hurt, etc.
Wisconsin sucked for 30 years until they hired the right coach, and then they didn't. Clemson was mediocre for 30 years as well. Can we stop looking at the past, the past, the past like this program likes to do so badly, and try to change the narrative?
I wish Harbaugh was better, but you need only go watch some Michigan football from the RR-Hoke years to feel a little better. It used to be a lot worse