OSU-MSU developing into quite the rivalry.
First Dantonio complains about Meyer stealing Pittman and now they are upset over OSU not including shifts and motions in tape exchange.
http://twitter.com/ESPN_BigTen/status/252187594409009152
Hehe.
September 29th, 2012 at 9:24 PM ^
Here's the deal... every team records all of their games from the end zone and press box,high, wide, whole field views. They then edit every play together so that you see each play twice, once from each angle. The general understanding is that a week or so ahead of time the opponents will swap specific, COMPLETE game footage with each other. You can negotiate it a bit too, they might agree to swap just the last game, or maybe the last three games, the whole season, etc...
This really is kind of a big deal; you're not supposed to mess around with these tapes. The product on the field improves tremendously with scouting, for both teams, but you'll have a real problem if teams start messing with their footage to gain an advantage. It will lead to never being able to trust what you're getting and retaliation stuff ("oh, well they didn't give us shifts and motions last year, so we're not going to show them any of our zone blitz schemes this year!" "well then we're not giving you ANY tape!" "well then we'll get tape of you from Penn State!" "if Penn State gives you our tape we won't exchange tape with them!" on and on) which is, frankly bad for the on-field product. This is something MSU can and SHOULD complain about to the league, IF it actually happened.
September 29th, 2012 at 9:44 PM ^
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September 29th, 2012 at 10:49 PM ^
The main point, of course, is that one coach or the other is being a gigantic doucheturd, so it's actually pretty awesome watching them snip at each other.
September 29th, 2012 at 9:32 PM ^
We don't live in the stone age anymore. If he wanted unedited game tape, he could have recorded it on his DVR.
September 29th, 2012 at 9:50 PM ^
If you read the UFR's you know that Brian makes this complaint all the time, the networks are terrible at giving you the whole picture. They zoom up too close, come back from commercial break too late, follow the running back when the quarter back kept the ball... all kinds of things. The network feeds are terrible for breaking down an opponent. These double view wide angles are ideal. I wish Brian could get his hands on these tapes, a whole new UFR world would open up to us. He'd be able to evaluate our corner's on run plays, see how good our receivers block on the opposite side of the play, all kinds of things. DVRing the ABC broadcast is worth less than half of the game footage you swap with your opponent. That's why virtually every team gives it and gets it very openly and freely.
September 29th, 2012 at 10:03 PM ^
you have to buy it through nfl.com but its out there now. maybe college football will do something similar in the future, maybe release it after the season? I doubt it but we can dream can't we
September 29th, 2012 at 9:43 PM ^
I have no idea how tape exchanges, but there is no reason a coaching staff should give away the tricks they use to move the ball to the defense. Did Dantonio send UM all of the line-jumping and defensive fronts from last year? Sure seemed like UM bamboozled Nebraska last year, and part of it was because they debuted new wrinkles. It's called football; quit your complaining and produce an offense that can move the ball AT ALL against above-average defenses first.
September 29th, 2012 at 10:03 PM ^
You either participate in an understood, equal game tape swap or you don't. It's that simple. Virtually every team willingly swaps tape, and the various leagues encourage it because football is a much more entertaining game when you've got good scouting; and nothing beats the team's own GAME tapes. You're not giving them your PRACTICE tapes, just your GAME tapes.
If OSU unveiled a new wrinkle today against MSU that was not in any of the games they agreed to swap, then yes, there is no complaint there. But you can't deliberately edit out plays/sequences from the GAME tapes that you agreed to share. If MSU gave them two views of every play of every game they've played so far this year while OSU deliberately edited out all of their zone reads, or whatever, that's an issue. Game tape swaping is important but it works on an honor system, obvsly, if that starts to erode on a large scale the entertainment value of the games erode with it.
I don't understand why people are having such a hard time with this. If a team doesn't want to share game tape that's their perrogative (it happens only rarely though, pretty much every coach agrees that full disclosure from both sides is better than no disclosure from either) but once you agree on an exchange you can't mess with shit.. well, you "can" but there may be a price to pay if you get caught... it would be akin to tapping into the other teams head phones and listening in on their playcalls. If you get away with it fine, but if you get caught...
September 29th, 2012 at 10:12 PM ^
It sounds like you describe it. A half an hour ago ESPN put up an article -
MSU defensive coordinator Pat Narduzzi confirmed to the Free Press that MSU contacted the Big Ten and said Ohio State cut off pre-snap motions and shifts before plays on film of its four games before today's 17-16 OSU win at Spartan Stadium.
Read the whole article here -
http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/_/id/67025/msu-complains-to-b1g-over-osu-film
September 29th, 2012 at 10:33 PM ^
I don't disagree. At the time of posting, I hadn't read the whole thread thoroughly and missed your earlier post.
All that said, surprised that MSU didn't bring this up earlier if they had noticed it.
September 30th, 2012 at 12:11 AM ^
September 30th, 2012 at 7:41 AM ^
And they have to take circuitous routes to make sure no one is following them.
September 30th, 2012 at 1:22 AM ^
September 30th, 2012 at 8:34 AM ^
thread and I think you have a great insight in to this situation. I understand the idea behind the tape exchange, and I understand the idea behind the "honor system" involved. I find this situation very ironic, however, as there are also "gentlemen's agreements/honor system" issues with:
-Faking injuries (MSU vs Iowa last year)
-Not trying to intentionally hurt players (MSU vs us, yesterday's eye gouge, etc, etc)
-Respecting your opponent before, during and after the game (too many examples to try to list)
It's funny that you have a program willing to do so many things to gain a competitive advantage by bending/breaking written and unwritten rules, but cries foul when an opponent tries to do the same thing.
September 29th, 2012 at 10:09 PM ^
No honor among theives and cheaters apparently.
September 29th, 2012 at 10:27 PM ^
September 29th, 2012 at 10:34 PM ^
Did you read any comments on this thread?
September 29th, 2012 at 10:39 PM ^
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September 30th, 2012 at 12:02 AM ^
In what world is milk a treat?
September 30th, 2012 at 12:12 AM ^
September 30th, 2012 at 7:39 AM ^
breastmilk.
(sorry couldn't help it)
September 30th, 2012 at 8:44 AM ^
Weird.
September 30th, 2012 at 8:34 AM ^
September 30th, 2012 at 9:24 PM ^
I like to stay abreast of all comments about milk.
Also...nipple.
September 29th, 2012 at 10:28 PM ^
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September 30th, 2012 at 4:20 PM ^
Dying of Heart Ache? Is his wife gonna leave him or something if he doesn't win?
September 29th, 2012 at 10:35 PM ^
So is MSU saying they would never edit game tape. All of their personal fouls including head twisting, face punching and the video above of today's eye gouging are freely shared with future opponents?
Next question, Marky.
September 29th, 2012 at 11:35 PM ^
September 29th, 2012 at 10:54 PM ^
As if Penn State wasnt enough, the eye gouging incident and Tapegate plastered all over the national news is just another reason the rest of the country thinks the B1G is a joke..... Embarrassing.
September 29th, 2012 at 11:03 PM ^
Oh, and don't boo in sparty stadium. It hurts his widdle feelings.
September 30th, 2012 at 12:26 AM ^
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September 30th, 2012 at 1:35 AM ^
I caught Urban Meyer's interview with BTN postgame - he is a wierd dude and looks like he pops some xanax before. I really don't think he'll be at Ohio for more than 3 seasons.
September 30th, 2012 at 7:46 AM ^
Kind of like a much more successful John L. Smith?
September 30th, 2012 at 7:03 AM ^
With shifts and motions removed from the tape, I would imagine that Ohio wanted to test Pat Narduzzi's much-hyped defense for teams that think with portals. It would be interesting, from a planning standpoint, if the tape was indeed several hours of jump cuts a la "Bewitched" or "I Dream Of Jeannie". As Hollis and Smith have settled the matter per the ESPN article posted in this thread, I suppose we will never know now. Shame really.
September 30th, 2012 at 9:26 AM ^
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September 30th, 2012 at 10:05 AM ^
never understood why this wasn't more of a rivalry. also ohio are cheaters and sparty whiny trash... but we already knew that.
September 30th, 2012 at 11:54 AM ^
If MSU would have won 17-16 this wouldnt have been an issue. MD is such a whiny bitch. I hope we beat the shit out of them this year.
September 30th, 2012 at 3:06 PM ^
I think Urban is showing his lack of class already. Did anyone notice after the game? The team ran over to their fan section and seemed to stay there forever, singing, dancing, etc. Urban even joined in. I would be curious how long they actually stayed.
I think it's perfectly fine to acknowledge your crowd on away turf, but what OSU did was a bit over the top, imo. It's not your home field.
Acknowledge your fans then get off the damn field.
September 30th, 2012 at 3:40 PM ^
with what OSU did after the game. After we beat OSU, we did the "bomb" thing and then ran straight to the students section...yeah, I know we were the home team, but to me it doesn't matter, both moves could be questioned as "over the top."
September 30th, 2012 at 7:18 PM ^
After any game, home or away, win or lose, the players go over and sing the alma mater with TBDITL. Is that really the first time you noticed it?
September 30th, 2012 at 9:34 PM ^
I don't think they do it after road losses. They did not after the Game last year, anyway. (They did after they won two years previously.)