Ohio to Learn Official Sanctions at 3PM Today
Let the speculation begin.
Edit: Word is that the media will get first crack at seeing what the NCAA came up with at 2PM. I'll keep an eye on twitter and update the post appropriately.
December 20th, 2011 at 9:28 AM ^
Whenever OSU gets off light, I hope we put the Fab 5 banners back up and USC sues the shit out of the NCAA.
December 20th, 2011 at 11:39 AM ^
Whenever OSU gets off light, I hope we put the Fab 5 banners back up...
Man, I would REALLY love to see Brandon do that.
December 20th, 2011 at 12:15 PM ^
Yeah. In a ceremony featuring ALL five members. Brandon can give C-Web a hug at center court and publically announce, "Ahh, hell man. I guess its no big deal!"
December 20th, 2011 at 9:30 AM ^
As one of the "money makers" for NCAA anyone who believes that O$U will get anything more than their self imposed needs to come back to reality!! They are going to get off scott free....tressel will be scapegoat and Meyer will be proclaimed the savior of a program led awry by one man and his own deeds. USC...Miami...UNC will all gnash their teeth put on sackcloth and scream "NOT FAIR" but it will all fall on deaf ears. Sucks but it's the true and we all are going to get a huge bite of this s**t sandwhich!!
December 20th, 2011 at 10:36 AM ^
If you really think that "osu is one of the money makers" is the reason they'll get off light then please explain the usc situation.
Smith (or Gee? I can't keep the fuckers straight) is buddies with Emmert. That would be the one and only reason why osu gets off light.
December 20th, 2011 at 11:01 AM ^
The NCAA doesn't make money off of football. The conferences and teams do. That is, OSU football makes money for the B10 and OSU.
NCAA's revenue comes almost entirely from March Madness and the corresponding television contracts they've negotiated with CBS and other partners.
December 20th, 2011 at 12:10 PM ^
Ugh, I get so tired of people smugly posting this response to conflict-of-interest arguments regarding the NCAA and punishments. Is it that big of a mental leap to see how the health of big-sports colleges is in the direct interest of the NCAA as an organization? Dropping the hammer on OSU football may not have a direct and immediate financial consequence on the NCAA, but it represents a risk for them. How many scorned big-sports colleges like USC need to get crushed before their ADs start talking about alternative systems to the NCAA?
Your argument is very narrow-minded.
December 20th, 2011 at 12:19 PM ^
...but it cuts both ways. There's also an interest among member institutions in keeping things under control and maintaining at least the appearance of a level playing field.
December 20th, 2011 at 9:38 AM ^
....something more than a $50 fine and time served, but I am not all that hopeful right now that the punishment will be on the same scale as the crime. That being said, if for some reason the NCAA did the right thing this time, my mood would be much improved at 3:01 PM.
Lately, it seems like the NCAA cares when it doesn't know, and then when it knows, it doesn't exactly care.
December 20th, 2011 at 9:34 AM ^
the men of Troy lay down their own hammer against the NCAA. I am not sure on what specific legal grounds they could bring a case but it seems that if they got the book thrown at them and OSU skates away with a very minimal punishment there are some issues of equity. I feel it in my bones that OSU will get a slap on the wrist. Gentlemen, time to suit up.
December 20th, 2011 at 9:42 AM ^
almost everything about this. Except that the soldiers look like they are wearing Spartan helmets...
December 20th, 2011 at 9:34 AM ^
Ohio's choice not to use their old coaching staff to do recruiting is an important step in the right direction. The old staff is tainted by the allegations and misgivings. For Ohio to go ahead and use a new staff for official football buisness is a sign things are moving in the right direction.
December 20th, 2011 at 9:43 AM ^
So getting two coaching staffs is their reward? I expressly wish that Urban and new staff could not do anything until after bowl game and after todays annoucement.
Otherwise, OSU advantage.
December 20th, 2011 at 10:17 AM ^
that Fickel is not leaving. So they change head coaches ... but they lose nothing at the coaching level. If Fickel stays as DC - then tsio pulled another "fast one" over on the NCAA ... because the coach they "lost" is actually still on staff and out there recruiting.
tsio owns the NCAA ... and it is obvious for anyone to see.
Go Blue!
December 20th, 2011 at 10:52 AM ^
How does OSU "own" the NCAA? That's ludicrous.
December 20th, 2011 at 9:46 AM ^
this is something like the approach Ohio State took when the asked for permission to have two active coaching staffs.
December 20th, 2011 at 10:02 AM ^
I do not see how that is a punishment at all! Please explain yourself or STFU.
December 20th, 2011 at 10:16 AM ^
That is the weakest argument in the history of arguments.
December 20th, 2011 at 10:18 AM ^
HEAVY /s
December 20th, 2011 at 10:53 AM ^
... I wore my boots to school because it was snowing heavily. I forgot to bring my gym sneakers, so in gym class I had to run the obstacle course in my socks.
And because of that, you sit down to pee.
December 20th, 2011 at 9:34 AM ^
I asked this once before, but I am still trying to get my head around the losses of scholarship thing. If they lose 5 for 3 years, does that mean that instead of 85, they can only have 80 scholly players for 3 years? Then they can take as many kids as will bring them up to 80?
December 20th, 2011 at 9:38 AM ^
the 5 scholarship proposal worked as follows:
1st year--the entire program must be 3 scholarships under the NCAA limit, i.e. at 82
2nd year--the entire program must be 1 scholarships under the NCAA limit, i.e. at 84
3rd year--the entire program must be 1 scholarships under the NCAA limit, i.e. at 84
over 3 years, this seems pretty worthless of a reduction
December 20th, 2011 at 9:40 AM ^
this is a freaking joke. dammit.
Oh and thanks for your reply.
December 20th, 2011 at 9:50 AM ^
sucks to be the last deserving walk-on or 5th year senior in line at Ohio State the next three years.
I'd bet on these guys being the ones who did not partake in free tatoos, cars, cash for charitable appearances, and no-show jobs. What an effective punishment.
December 20th, 2011 at 9:42 AM ^
It's 5 over 3 years. that's part of what makes it such a joke. It's 3 schollys next year, then 1 then 1. So OSU said they'd only have 82, 84, 84 scholarship football players over the next 3 years. Boo hoo them.
December 20th, 2011 at 9:53 AM ^
Yea, if you go with the double rule, it should be closer to 30 over 3 years because they had 5 players taking benefits for 3. That's 15 scholarship-years, which doubles to 30. That's never going to happen, though.
December 20th, 2011 at 10:52 AM ^
They had 5 players taking benefits for a year that they knew about and covered up. That's, at minimum, five scholarship-years, which doubles to ten. Ten scholarships over three years, plus a show-cause on Tressel and vacated wins, should be the base level of punishment we are talking about. If the NCAA wants to add on additional penalties for the cover-up, including the "investigation" done prior to last year's Sugar Bowl, then great, but it's hard to justify less than a ten scholarship reduction.
December 20th, 2011 at 9:46 AM ^
The way I understand it they could use (for example) 83 next year, 83 the year after, and then 84 the third year...
December 20th, 2011 at 9:35 AM ^
the taste of their bitter rationalized tears from summer's swirling scandals was nothing compared with the sweet serum of season ending success
December 20th, 2011 at 9:35 AM ^
They "just hope that Gee doesn't sanction THEM!"
December 20th, 2011 at 9:55 AM ^
Plus 368,976,888 MGoPoints for this comment.
December 20th, 2011 at 9:40 AM ^
was opened when the NCAA looked the other way with Auburn and Cam Newton with little to no complaints around the college football world.
I don't expect much if anything to come down on TUO$.
December 20th, 2011 at 10:57 AM ^
How do you know they "looked the other way"? If Cecil Newton got paid by Auburn in return for his son's services, it would be on the NCAA to investigate and prove it. That's not as easy as it sounds for an institution that doesn't have subpoena power.
A lot of you seem naive with your ideas of what the NCAA actually is. It's not a police outfit.
December 20th, 2011 at 9:42 AM ^
12 months ago, if someone had said, "A school in the Big Ten with a house-hold name will have a scandle so invidious and dispicable, it will shred the schoo's reputation and send their future into a black hole" -- we'd have been, like, "wait--whaaa?--not us right?"
If you'd have said the same thing 4 months ago, we'd be like, "Yup! Take that, tSIO!"
And now, that statement is indeed true, but it's not tSIO. Even more unfathomably, it's taken down JoePa.
So, it seems whatever the fate of tSIO is today (read: they'll do nothing), it sort of doesn't matter anymore, does it?
December 20th, 2011 at 9:46 AM ^
The Wrist Slap Heard 'Round The World...
December 20th, 2011 at 9:50 AM ^
We either have Ohio get what they deserve, or USC threatens to blow up the NCAA. I am giddy with excitement!
December 20th, 2011 at 9:56 AM ^
Merry Christmas!
December 20th, 2011 at 10:18 AM ^
While it's nice, it probably won't happen. USC has ground to stand on, but it could lead to investigation at Oregon, which I'm sure the PAC doesn't want
December 20th, 2011 at 10:59 AM ^
USC is pretty damn arrogant. I doubt they give a shit what the Pac 12 wants.
December 20th, 2011 at 12:35 PM ^
...I don't see why SC would mind if some air were let out of the Phil Knight empire in Eugene.
December 20th, 2011 at 1:06 PM ^
That is a good point, I bet they wouldn't mind if the North division became a joke in the next few years (cause without Oregon they have nothing compared to USC). The next few days should be intereseting to see how various groups react to this
December 20th, 2011 at 10:05 AM ^
I hope USC takes the NCAA on but does USC have a forum as good as "mgoblog"? I wonder if their "troops" have been alerted about this impending disaster.
December 20th, 2011 at 9:52 AM ^
Hypothetical set of penalties here:
OSU gets little more than what they have right now. A real slap on the wrist. Maybe a few more scholarships, longer probation, etc.
BUT...
Tressel gets a HUGE Show-Cause (8 years or so? loss of all OSU retirement package? can the NCAA do this?). Smith gets a Show-Cause and is fired, hell even Gee is reprimanded like crazy.
What does the board think of punishments like that? One thing I didn't like about USC is I felt like it punished the kids and no one else. Bush kept his $$. Carrol fled for the NFL and kept everything. Any USC player was screwed. Personally I'd like to see the adults involved get punished, not necessarily the redshirt sophomore nobody who committed to Tressel last Feb. Well, I'd like to see the NCAA hammer OSU, but I'd like to see the adults get hammered too. Thoughts?
December 20th, 2011 at 10:33 AM ^
with what Tressel deserves. I guess I haven't kept informed enough on this to know why Smith is getting fired, did he get the info too?
The only coach the NCAA punished in the USC case got a one year show cause, I would hope this one is much longer.
December 20th, 2011 at 11:04 AM ^
There is no way the NCAA can do anything about Tressel's retirement package.
December 20th, 2011 at 9:53 AM ^
They're getting a fruit basket and a year-long membership to the Cheese of the Month Club.
December 20th, 2011 at 9:53 AM ^
Another one:
NCAA : Ohio State
as
Federal Government : AIG
when it should be:
Federal Government : Lehman Brothers
December 20th, 2011 at 9:54 AM ^
If OSU=sanctions, and sanctions=2 year bowl ban
Then Brionte Dunn=visit Michigan
Dunn= Michigan visit + OSU - scholarship
Dunn=commit to Michigan
MGoBlog=muppets
December 20th, 2011 at 9:56 AM ^
There won't be muppets.