bacon

April 11th, 2016 at 10:04 PM ^

Fuck the Sec and acc. That article nailed it. This ban fucks over a lot of kids and doesn't really hurt harbaugh or Michigan. How many recruits do we get from satellite camps? 2-3? We got a few last year, but many didn't end up in the class. Their profile got raised though and they got recruited. That's the point, not this territory bs. Besides, I'm honestly not sure the NCAA can stop harbaugh if they wanted to. He's a free man, he can go to Alabama and attend a camp. They can't arrest him.

Joined: 01/04/2009

MGoPoints: 18646

Roy G. Biv

April 11th, 2016 at 10:29 PM ^

I know it has been discussed elsewhere, but Harbaugh's radio silence here is a brilliant play.  Others across the country are making his argument for him, and he does not have to say a word.  No need for for the witty/cryptic riposte.  This keeps him from looking petulant or argumentative in the media, and is a PR win.

 

Joined: 09/03/2010

MGoPoints: 6961

UMProud

April 11th, 2016 at 10:45 PM ^

NCAA are cheap money grubbers. Harbaugh is genuine in trying to build his program but also to help kids. Karma is on JH side and the NCAA is a bunch of mfers. This elitist bullshit that is in style in our society is unAmerican and some fuckers need to go to jail to stop the shit.

Joined: 12/18/2014

MGoPoints: 2705

csmhowitzer

April 12th, 2016 at 7:14 AM ^

I think a lot of it is becuase Harbaugh wasn't doing it just for M. It was also with the purpose of giving a great experience to young kids. I think his silence isn't necessarily a well thought out move on the chess board but a more natural reaction. The reason everyone is making his argument for him is because this was his point all along. The SEC and ACC and anyone else in agreement with the ban failed to see past the Harbaugh-factor.

Joined: 09/24/2012

MGoPoints: 3659

Bodogblog

April 11th, 2016 at 10:37 PM ^

It just makes him sound so dumb. oh shit, after we won, I got a call from one of those guys that comes to my camp Every Single Year and he reminded no can do.

Joined: 06/08/2010

MGoPoints: 26674

Kewaga.

April 12th, 2016 at 1:26 AM ^

 

Great article.  Also, loved this comment:

 

"I have zero problem with the ACC and SEC seeking a ban. Entities are supposed to act in their own best interests. My problem is with the Big 12, Pac-12, Sun Belt and Mountain West, which did not. Usually, people who vote opposite their own interests are stupid, corrupt or a combination of the two."  

 

And then this: 

"Meanwhile, one Power Five coach said his league voted against the wishes of most of the schools in his league... Washington State coach Mike Leach said most schools in the Pac-12 were for satellite camps.... The Pac-12 voted in favor of the ban, and Leach isn’t sure how that could have happened. Common sense dictates that only UCLA, USC and maybe Arizona State would want to ban such camps to protect their recruiting turf. The Pac-12’s representative on the Division I management council is UCLA athletic director Dan Guerrero. A UCLA spokesman said Guerrero would not be made available to explain the Pac-12’s vote and that all questions should be referred to Northwestern athletic director Jim Phillips, the acting spokesman for the committee."

 

Wow, some people are going to have some explaining to do.... 

 

 

Joined: 02/06/2015

MGoPoints: 6947

Ann Arbor Cardinal

April 11th, 2016 at 11:16 PM ^

"A UCLA spokesman said Guerrero would not be made available to explain the Pac-12’s vote..."

Over and over, it's nothing but silence from the adults who thought this was so important that it had to be voted on immediately and effective immediately. There's some tag on this blog about people being in charge of things merely because they're in charge of things; that fits this situation well.

This Guerrero person was given some authority and exercised that authority. What's so hard about telling people the reasons for your decision? If you're the SEC, it's because you're lazy or because you want to keep other schools away from "your" high schoolers. That makes sense, and you won. Own it. Flaunt it. As long as you keep winning, nothing else matters.

If you're other conferences, your interests aren't the same as the SEC's, so Mr. Staples says you're probably stupid or corrupt. If that's the case, your employer should help you find a new job. If that isn't the case - if your decision wasn't because you are stupid or corrupt - it shouldn't be that hard to articulate why these camps are so bad.

If the people in charge were in charge for a reason, there would be either be answers or pink slips. Instead, we get the Dave Brandon post-concussion bunker.

Joined: 07/28/2008

MGoPoints: 217

bluepow

April 11th, 2016 at 11:47 PM ^

This shit-show is very rapidly reminding me of Brandon's late night nonsensical email; the story is far from over.  

I predict the NCAA will not confirm the existing rule and when the conferences vote again on a slighty tweaked rule the visibility and outrage will dramatically change the dynamic.  By the way NCAA, why shouldn't your big money machine create widespread satellite camps?  The money has to be spent somehow.  So much hypocrisy... 

Regardless of final outcome, we stay in the news, we have the most dynamic coach, and we win.

Joined: 11/11/2009

MGoPoints: 3931

Rabbit21

April 12th, 2016 at 12:16 AM ^

Dan Guerrero is a fucking idiot and may be an even bigger disaster for UCLA at the end of the day than Brandon was for UM, eventually Michigan was able to get Brandon out and contain the damage, nothing short of explosives is getting Guerrero out of UCLA and it's a damn shame.



Sent from MGoBlog HD for iPhone & iPad

Joined: 11/12/2009

MGoPoints: 30303

UNCWolverine

April 11th, 2016 at 11:29 PM ^

there is no doubt in my mind the rule will be changed to not allow Harbaugh to do what he's been doing, while at the same time reinstating Sound Mind camps and the such. 

Joined: 10/06/2008

MGoPoints: 23210

M Go Dead

April 11th, 2016 at 11:38 PM ^

I really hope that now the national viewpoint is aware of the entirety of these camps and who the current ban really affects, I hope Harbaugh's name gets dropped. It is easy for a national writer to call these Harbaugh's camps, and easily convey the concept. But that is short sighted and incorrect about who this ban hurts.

Joined: 07/23/2013

MGoPoints: 3548

MichiganTeacher

April 11th, 2016 at 11:38 PM ^

Actually a pretty impressive analysis by Staples. Would've been more impressive had he used the term rent-seeking, which this NCAA ruling is a classic example of. Still, his understanding of unintended consequences is keen.

Sounds like reps from UCLA and other schools may have stolen the vote, so to speak, and voted against their conferences. That helps explain how the vote went against some conferences' best interests. Sun Belt and MWC - I'm guessing straight up corruption there. The Four Bagmen of the Apocalypse ride again type stuff.

Unlike many who say, I'm not worried about this, Michigan will be fine - I _am_ worried. This sort of market manipulation is what strangles development and wastes resources. It's evidence that the product - NCAA football - is now obviously less than it could be. After decades of this they'll choke things off completely whether they mean to or not, so let's hope we don't get decades of this.

 

Joined: 10/06/2011

MGoPoints: 9263

BIGBLUEWORLD

April 12th, 2016 at 1:07 AM ^

"Your repressive decision against football camps denies educational and career opportunities for student/athletes. It does present an ambitious attorney the opportunity to initiate a class action suit to restore those rights."

Joined: 07/14/2012

MGoPoints: 4239

N. Campus Tech

April 12th, 2016 at 8:16 AM ^

“I don’t know if there was a genuine determination to further oppress low-income families, but that’s essentially the effect that this rule on satellite camps has,” Leach said.

Foreseen consequences are are not unintentional. These people are either evil or stupid.

Joined: 09/10/2015

MGoPoints: 6192

deechoo

April 12th, 2016 at 8:17 AM ^

Glad to read this article. Also glad to hear Mike and Mike ripping the NCAA on national TV/radio. I don't see how they can uphold this ban with the bad press coming through.

Joined: 08/23/2011

MGoPoints: 20

JustanotherfanGoBlue

April 12th, 2016 at 8:26 AM ^

I agree, however, do you really think this has any impact. The NCAA isn't going to suffer. Less are still going to go to SEC schools. It isn't going to change anything that's is the problem when it comes to money and control. The student athlete has neither and they are taken complete advantage of.

Joined: 05/30/2015

MGoPoints: 14

Everyone Murders

April 12th, 2016 at 9:23 AM ^

This is, by far, the most cogent and even-keeled piece I've seen on the camp ban.  I don't look at SI much, but this is an intelligent discussion of the real issues in a non-partisan fashion.

I think a lot of us are too close to this issue as Michigan fans, but Staples lays out the flaws in the NCAA rule in clear terms, offers intelligent options, and at no point sounds like he has a particular dog in the hunt.  Thanks to the OP for posting this - it should be required reading for the CFB sportswriting community.

Joined: 12/14/2010

MGoPoints: 65552

WorldwideTJRob

April 12th, 2016 at 9:26 AM ^

The biggest compromise would be to let all schools have one off campus satellite camp a year. This allows coaches from Eastern to work the U-M camp but allows Harbaugh and crew to work SMSB.



Sent from MGoBlog HD for iPhone & iPad

Joined: 07/05/2010

MGoPoints: 31122

PB-J Time

April 12th, 2016 at 10:58 AM ^

“I don’t know if there was a genuine determination to further oppress low-income families, but that’s essentially the effect that this rule on satellite camps has,” Leach said.

Damn, he's not afraid to speak his mind

Joined: 09/06/2012

MGoPoints: 3469

Blue Indy

April 12th, 2016 at 11:11 AM ^

"I have zero problem with the ACC and SEC seeking a ban. Entities are supposed to act in their own best interests. My problem is with the Big 12, Pac-12, Sun Belt and Mountain West, which did not. Usually, people who vote opposite their own interests are stupid, corrupt or a combination of the two."

Joined: 08/25/2010

MGoPoints: 3262