Personnel info and questions

Submitted by AC1997 on November 30th, 2013 at 7:39 PM

I wanted to discuss some individual player information from the game with the board.  First, the records:

  • Jeremy Gallon - With his 175 yards today he has 1284 on the season, just 46 yards behind the single season record set by Braylon Edwards in 2004.  He also set the record today for most receiving yards by a Michigan player against OSU.
  • Blake Countess - I checked to see where his 6 interceptions stack up in the all-time records, but they aren't even close.  The record is 10 by Tom Curtis in 1968.  The most recent season high is 8 by Woodson in 1997.  Countess is tied with a bunch of people for 7th all-time.  
  • Devin Gardner - With his amazing day today (451 passing, 10 rushing) he finishes with 3443 total yards.  This puts him second all-time for total yards  behind Denard's record setting 2010 season (4272).  He passed John Navarre (3240) for second.  

Now for the players who didn't play today.  Anyone have any information on these guys?

  • Jarrod Wilson - He didn't play at all and as a result the first two OSU touchdowns were significantly the result of bad plays by Furman and Avery.  
  • Brenden Gibbons - All I heard today was that he hurt his leg and was on crutches.  Anyone know the story?  
  • Richard Ash - Anyone know why he saw meaningful snaps?  I'm not saying he did badly (couldn't tell), just curious why he was on the field given our struggles to stop the run.  Just rotating more guys?  
  • James Ross - Any report on what his injury is?  

Controversial Calls:

  • Did anyone see something that caused the Frank Clark unsportsmanlike penalty?  They didn't show anything on TV that seemed to justify it, but I was wondering if they just didn't catch it or the refs called the wrong number.  Dumb play, dumb call, or both?
  • What is the consensus on the Gardner fumble?  I was SHOCKED that they upheld the call.  I'm not sure what the replay guys look at as there were two TD calls in the Alabama/Auburn game that the refs went against what I expected.  



November 30th, 2013 at 8:00 PM ^

There's no way that should have been called.  Every guy on the field was talking for 60 minutes.  It's a rivalry game.  Put the whistle away.  Really frustrating along with that atrocious decision on the fumble.  I don't know how you miss that with replay.  And it was Confirmed!! Not even just "Stands!"

Mr. Carson

November 30th, 2013 at 7:44 PM ^

Michigan was screwed by the officials multiple times, including the absolutely egregious uphold on the fumble.  That said, it really didn't matter.  One play and three yards to win.  


the Glove

November 30th, 2013 at 7:56 PM ^

I do not believe it was a fumble, it burns me that it was upheld.

Hoke made the right call to go for it. Michigan had no chance of stopping Ohio's running games and his quarterback was half dead.

Borges made a bad decision of what play to run on the two-point conversion. He finally ran plays that he should have done all year, therefore I still think he needs to go.

Gardner was a warrior out there today and he is the one that got michigan in that position. But, he made a poor decision on the two-point conversion. He never let the play develop because he decided on his target before he snap the ball.

Furman... why the hell was he out there? I don't know what happened with Wilson but my god he should have been playing instead.

LB depth, killed us.


November 30th, 2013 at 9:32 PM ^

All the defenders are right there, it's going to take time for the recievers to separate, taking the defenders with them so the QB needs to be cool as a cucumber while this take place. Devin needing to wait in the pocket as it's collapsing for this to happen? No, not the best play.


November 30th, 2013 at 7:59 PM ^

On one of the angles, I may have seen a little light under his knee, but I was still shocked when they said, "confirmed." I can understand not overturning the call, but based on the other 5 angles, it sure looked like he was down. I'd like to know what defines when a fumble occurs. Is it when the hit is made that jostles the ball loose, or is it when it leaves the player's hands?


November 30th, 2013 at 7:59 PM ^

Gardener's stat line is surprising considering how anemic the offense was for 3/4 of the season. Proud of all these guys for fighting till the end. Hopefully in carries over into the bowl game.


November 30th, 2013 at 8:02 PM ^

Gardner's fumble looked questionable to me.  I was there and saw the play, saw the replays, it all looked like he was down.  Frank Clark's unsportsmanlike had to have been something verbal because nothing physical happened on the play.


November 30th, 2013 at 8:05 PM ^

Brian tweeted that Wilson had a big cast on his hand. Ash likely played more because he's big. I wonder what's up with Washington – he's big too but he seems to get less snaps.

Magnum P.I.

November 30th, 2013 at 8:05 PM ^

I acknowledge that Gardner made some bad decisions at points this season and kind of went into a psychological shell for most of October and November, but I still believe that he's a special talent who's capable of extraordinary things. I really hope, for his sake and his future's sake, that we can roll out a decent OL next season. It's really fun watching him operate with a little bit of protection.

I also noticed him take a little bit more of assertive role with his teammates today, which I think is necessary for his development as a leader. I don't pretend to know what's happening behind the scenes with these guys, but there are little hints that Devin doesn't have the biggest leader image amongst his teammates. 


November 30th, 2013 at 8:05 PM ^

The penalty on Clark was bs. If it was something he said than that's horse shit because Hyde was jawing at us after every single down. There's no difference. And Gardner was down. There's not question about it. Wasn't even debatable


November 30th, 2013 at 8:06 PM ^

I don't remember seeing Gibbons on crutches, but I wasn't in the best position. He was spotted in street clothes - as others have mentioned - during special teams warmup and thus the news that he was out. Supposedly, he tweaked something in practice but I don't think there has been specific information as yet. There were photos floating about on twitter around gametime of him in sweats and his jersey. 


November 30th, 2013 at 8:09 PM ^

Pretty sure Ash's presence was an attempt to add beef given the success OSU had going up the middle.  It's a real tough out when they can do that.  I'm optimistic that that will be our future.

People in the stands were saying Clark said something to the OSU sideline.  Might not have been the words so much as a taunting thing to the sideline.  Was there some reporting on TV to the contrary?  




November 30th, 2013 at 8:17 PM ^

On DG's fumble, everyone that was sitting in my section (including OSU fans) and I saw the replay on the monitor and were all in agreement it clearly was not a fumble.  Needless to say we were all shocked when it was in fact confirmed.  Must've been an angle we didn't get to see at the game that proved it, because I thought it was a pretty easy call to overturn.


November 30th, 2013 at 8:38 PM ^

Speaking of personnel questions, I'm watching the USC-UCLA game and I have a question of my own:Is anyone else extremely grateful we didn't have to listen to Chris Spielman's stupidity today?


November 30th, 2013 at 8:52 PM ^

I think if Borges does not in fact, get fired after the season, maybe we should be looking for a new quaterback coach who is also capable of calling all offensive plays.

I Like Burgers

November 30th, 2013 at 9:01 PM ^

So if Borges doens't get fired, you would be in favor of hiring someone that does everything that he does?  And that would leave Borges to do what exactly?  Also, if Michigan were to hire a QB coach, they would have to fire another assistant.  The NCAA only allows for nine assitants.


December 1st, 2013 at 7:10 AM ^

If we must keep him I would just like to see someone else calling the plays. Just saying. Besides, why do we have two linebacker and two d-line coaches? Is this necessary? Don't you think we need a QB coach? Did you like the 2pt conv call? Also, what say you about our speacial teams play?