OT: Custom Playbook Question

Submitted by BakkerUSMC on

My custom playbook research has reached a bit of a standstill.  I've been looking for a game (any system, including PC) that can create (and accurately simulate) plays that involve moving the offensive linemen to different positions.  I understand the NCAA regulation for 7 down linemen on the line of scrimmage, and found it to be very restricting in the types of varieties available in games these days.  

A large part of my offensive scheme involves the placement of the offensive line, including the center (or person snapping the ball).  To my knowledge, there isn't a game that comes close to being able to simulate this type of movement for linemen.  Specifically, I need one that would allow 2 or 3 sets of 'pockets' if you will.  The closest I have come so far is the old NFL Blitz, which allowed a bit more creativity in the creation of plays, but didn't really come close to actual NCAA or NFL physics and movement.  NCAA 14 for Playstation has the 'Monster' formation, which has 3 down linemen in the center and 2 sets of 2 on both ends of the field, but it doesn't have any more choices beyond the default plays.

If anyone knows of a game or simulator that would fulfill this type of function, I would greatly appreciate your feedback!  I've been preparing my scheme to the best of my ability on paper, but it'd be nice to have any kind of simulation to evaluate it's realistic capabilities.  I've also considered talking to a pee-wee or high school team's coaches, but realized after talking to a few others that I may end up giving the kids a very broken view of regular football fundamentals, and I should try to have something ready to present as evidence of it's functions first.

Ideally, it would be nice to have special teams play creators available too, so any other feedback on that would be welcome as well.  Thanks in advance all!

 

 

ijohnb

May 7th, 2017 at 12:29 PM ^

I honestly did not know that people "tried" to this degree in video game football. I am not being a jerk, I just did not assume people got this advanced with it. Good luck with this.

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Mr. Elbel

May 7th, 2017 at 2:42 PM ^

I think he's trying to come up with a creative offensive scheme and is wanting to play it out to see if it realistically works. Not really a video game thing.

redwhiteandMGOBLUE

May 7th, 2017 at 4:08 PM ^

 

With the ability to design your own plays and upload them to your PS3, a revamped Superstar Mode, a dynamic camera system, all-new commentary, and more, Madden NFL 10 PSP will bring you closer to the NFL than ever before.

 

With a custom play editor, players can design plays and then upload their favorites to a PlayStation 3 system to test your skills in HD contests.

 

http://www.ign.com/games/madden-nfl-2010/psp-14270632

PopeLando

May 7th, 2017 at 1:16 PM ^

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grumbler

May 7th, 2017 at 1:41 PM ^

Wait.  You think that there is an "NCAA regulation for 7 down linemen on the line of scrimmage, and found it to be very restricting?" I think I found your problem.

jblaze

May 7th, 2017 at 1:42 PM ^

So, Im not exactly sure what you are trying to do, but Madden on my Apple 2GS (early 90s) had a very customizable playbook, where you could instruct the OL where to go. Maybe look for an older Madden on the PC?

BakkerUSMC

May 7th, 2017 at 3:03 PM ^

Thanks for all the responses, they're always appreciated! I am trying to simulate an offensive set without the traditional 5-lineman set. There are a couple formations included in NCAA 14 that are different, but not by much. I'm looking at totally re-scripting the traditional look of the line into 2 or 3 sets. Adding in men in motion would also be helpful. Special teams Playbooks are almost non-existent when it comes to games as well, so any knowledge on that would be awesome too. Ironically, I was walking behind coach Frey into the spring game and didn't stop him to chat, I knew I wanted to have my scheme ready to present to him before seizing my opportunity! Hoping to actually be able to provide a tiny bit of insight to the football world, and it would be a nice bonus to make sure it falls into the right hands first! Thanks for all the feedback already, I'll be sure to look into all of your links when I get an opportunity!

Gulo Gulo Luscus

May 7th, 2017 at 3:51 PM ^

Are you a coach trying to design and implement this scheme? If so, I would recommend getting it on the field first. I'm skeptical that asking the OL coach at the University of Michigan to look at some Madden simulations will get you very far.

If you're not a coach, the odds of getting any playbook a serious look by a collegiate program are virtually nil. My guess is that getting involved with a local middle/high school team is a better starting point if you're passionate about the sport. You'd learn a lot and maybe get in the ear of someone willing to look at whatever scheme you're cooking up!

dhchait

May 7th, 2017 at 4:57 PM ^

I think the idea that you are going to draw up a new scheme and present it to the coaching staff at the University of Michigan and it will see the light of day is ... unlikely.

 

However here is what you are looking for, I believe:

 

www.playmaker.com

 

It's called Playmaker Football and we used to play it obsessively back in the 80's.  

Enjoy!

treetown

May 7th, 2017 at 5:50 PM ^

Hi, not sure if the rules are strictly enforced but there was a game system that had electronic chalkboard that allows a coach to draw up plays, including options, reads, so forth (both defense and offense) and then actually run them (it also allowed editing player skills and strengths). It was called Playmaker Football and is now available on the PC and I think iPad. It was originally a Mac program. Originally created back in 1985 and marketed by Broderbund Software, it later was spun off in 1994

http://www.playmaker.com/

There is still a small but active community.

Hope this helps

BakkerUSMC

May 7th, 2017 at 7:48 PM ^

Thanks for all the great feedback, I'm eager to check into all those suggestions!  For anyone curious, I have actually talked to a few high school coaches, but there seems to be a lack of interest.  My schemes would involve a significant blow to the fundamentals of their football understanding and development, especially if there are kids holding out for scholarships.  There is significant upside (if the scheme has potential), so hopefully it can be used for good.

My desire to add my scheme to the football universe has to start somewhere, and it may be in the best interest of everyone to get in a few good simulations before I attempt any of them on real people!   

Thanks again, and Go Blue!

Lazer with a Z

May 8th, 2017 at 12:52 AM ^

What you are talking about is not new. The polecat, unbalanced offenses, and the swinging gate have already explored this area, not to mention the A-11 offense, which I think was banned. The rules don't allow for the kind of thing you are talking about.