NCAA Men's Basketball Corruption Case may involve up to 50 top teams

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According to some reports (linked below), the corruption probe involving Louisville, Adidas and a few assistant coaches may expand greatly based on banks records of Andy Miller and Christian Dawkins currently in possession of the F.B.I. and wiretaps:

Multiple sources who’ve been briefed on the case and are familiar with the material obtained by feds told Yahoo Sports that the impact on the sport will be substantial and relentless. Sitting under protective order right now are the fruits of 330 days of monitoring activity by the feds, which one assistant US Attorney noted Thursday was “a voluminous amount of material.” That includes wiretaps from 4,000 intercepted calls and thousands of documents and bank records obtained from raids and confiscated computers, including those from notorious NBA agent Andy Miller.

“This goes a lot deeper in college basketball than four corrupt assistant coaches,” said a source who has been briefed on the details of the case. “When this all comes out, Hall of Fame coaches should be scared, lottery picks won’t be eligible to play and almost half of the 16 teams the NCAA showed on its initial NCAA tournament show this weekend should worry about their appearance being vacated.”

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/sources-college-hoops-corruption-case-poised-take-hall-fame-coaches-top-programs-lottery-picks-224417174.html

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2759734-report-top-college-basketball-coaches-players-programs-involved-in-corruption

I say blow it all up.

SHub'68

February 16th, 2018 at 5:22 AM ^

forgettable movie with Robbie Benson (as a basketball star!) who went to 'a college in LA.' Where a booster bought his game tickets from him, and he got paid for a job watering the grounds; that used an automatic sprinkler system, lots of drugs, sex available to players from one of the secretaries...

SpreadGuru

February 15th, 2018 at 10:51 PM ^

have anything to do with this report?  Hypothetically (or not), what if Izzo knew this was coming and, coupled with the Travis Walton stuff, is just trying to make it to the end of the year?  I don't think it's a stretch at all.  Izzo knows his end is near and is trying for "one more run" at it. 

stephenrjking

February 15th, 2018 at 11:10 PM ^

Some notes:

  • Players should be allowed to make NIL money. In some cases this will just bring existing stuff aboveboard (rich businessman pays a 5-star over the table to endorse his auto dealership instead of under the table like he used to) and we'll find it distasteful but at least it will be out in the open and adjustments can be made. Also, it is more fair for Olympics athletes who make it big, they can make money and still get college scholarships.
  • If this is as big as they're saying, this has the potential to cross over into the mainstream big-time, perhaps even to the point of congressional involvement. The Feds are the ones driving this, not the NCAA, and the NCAA would risk the whole system crashing if they don't get on board. 
  • Beware: These are just rumors and people are getting out over their skis a bit. The talk about "lottery picks" is on one hand unsurprising--of course those guys are getting big money offers--but lottery picks in school will be done with the season in a few weeks anyway. Unless this breaks in the next month the sources are overstating their case. And if they're willing to exaggerate about that, there may be other things that are overstated.
  • The laws of unintended consequences should warn us that something that sounds good may turn into something we don't like. It's easy to say "blow it up" now when we think we're the innocent ones and some bad-actor teams get burned. It gets a lot worse if some player lawsuit goes to a judge and he or she orders the NCAA tournament to be suspended or something. Also, this could easily track into football, and that could be less enjoyable.
  • That said, nuke it all.

stmccoy

February 15th, 2018 at 11:21 PM ^

When I read this, I come to two conclusions. First, that this may be a case of the media selling a storyline that ends up being overblown. Second, that when whatever comes out it ends in a ho hum reaction because a) shady stuff happens in college basketball, shocker, and b) it isn’t as though the NCAA will do anything about it anyway.

WorldwideTJRob

February 16th, 2018 at 1:01 AM ^

Call me a skeptic, but I doubt this sees the light of day. The FBI will hand it over to the NCAA and they will look it over. Once they see how deep and widespread the cheating is, plus the names involved. They will push it to the side in order to save themselves the embarrassment.

Mr Miggle

February 16th, 2018 at 1:18 AM ^

documented. Trying to do so would add greatly to any embarrassment of the NCAA. There are already leaks and there will be no shortage of people determined to get the story out.

Dealing with this will be a crisis situation for the NCAA.They can ban a lot of schools from the tournament for one year and what will it actually cost them? They have long term TV contracts. There are going to be damaged reputations regardless.

 

stephenrjking

February 16th, 2018 at 3:02 AM ^

Hang on. You're addressing a scenario that doesn't exist.

The FBI is not investing thousands of man-hours to do the NCAA a solid. They're not just trying to uncover some stuff on the NCAA's behalf, and they're not interested in NCAA regulations. This is an investigation of federal crimes. They're looking to put people in prison. 

Now, some information may be shared. Perhaps as a condition of a plea, or just as a courtesy. But governmental authorities are not compiling mountains of evidence merely to hand it to the NCAA and forget about it. This information may become public in a way that the NCAA has no control over, and could easily become the largest scandal in the history of organized sports (dozens of teams? Shoe companies? Bribes to guide players to schools? This might be very deep). 

It's possible the source is overselling it. It's possible we don't see all the information. It's possible this doesn't change much. But this is not some sort of extra-powerful investigation on the NCAA's behalf. 

 

thespacepope

February 16th, 2018 at 9:46 AM ^

the feds will do their thing but after they are done the NCAA will pretty much look over the evidence and announce that their investigation shows that no further punishment is necessary. I think everyone understands that the feds will get what they want but the disagreement is how much the NCAA will (or won't) add on in addition.

M_Born M_Believer

February 16th, 2018 at 12:32 PM ^

But I agree the FEDS investigation is completely separate from the NCAA.  They (the FEDS) are not conducting this investigation for the NCAA.

What will be interesting is how the NCAA will react to this.  IF the leaks are true and the FEDS provide documented proof of payments and benefits to basketball athletes on 'half the 1 seeded teams'.  Then the NCAA's reaction MAY put into the mainstream media spot light on them.  If that is the case, we will find out how intelligent they are.

If I recall correctly (the part I am not 100% sure about).  The NCAA falls under the Anti-trust Act, like the NFL.  This gives them several liberties that most are not allowed to.  But IF they were to "gloss over" the FEDS report, could/would Congress step in and threaten them with their Anti-Trust exemption?  To me, that would be the only way true ramification of this report would impact the sport.

Without the treat of eliminating the Anti-Trust exemption, the NCAA is not 'obligated' to do anything. 

 

Hence the strong sentiment (I believe as well) they will do very little to nothing even if the FED report is true.  Only the pressure from Congress on their exemption would get the NCAA to truly act upon this report properly.....

 

PS: This is absolutely NOT any attempt to turn this tread into anything political......

UM Griff

February 16th, 2018 at 3:23 AM ^

Are involved and leading the investigation takes this one to places no NCAA investigation has gone before. This should be far from the slap on the wrist that the NCAA issues as punishment.

BlueMk1690

February 16th, 2018 at 5:37 AM ^

The AAU, shoe company and agent nexus has been widely known as a complete swamp for years. This is where hoops is slightly different from football (football does have the agent issue too but AAU and shoe companies aren't a thing). I think people involved in it have gotten so used to it not being properly investigated that they lost their gut awareness for the risks involved (and the fact that a lot of it is downright criminal).

Fans often like to talk about coaches that are 'good guys' while others are 'sleazy' etc. but these networks transcend coaches, and honestly, I suspect that there's a large number of schools where any objection to such practices would be very detrimental to your prospects as a coach.

There aren't that many jobs as a basketball coach on par with a powerhouse program like UNC, Kansas, Kentucky etc. in terms of  income and prestige. I imagine it's very easy to rationalize such conduct when it is also seen as necessary for your own professional success. Heck, half the forum here thinks players should be paid, so I'm sure a lot of those guys think "I'm just helping these kids" when they help shuffle funds to them, their families and 'advisors'. (Of course that ignores the self-serving nature of it and the fact a lot of those arrangements may benefit 3rd parties more than the players themselves).

I think the whole thing is like doping in cycling. Anyone half-familiar with the industry knows it's going on but those involved follow 'omerta' and the sport has no internal mechanism to correct it - because most people with authority in the sport are also involved. It's no coincidence that it needed a federal investigation to even uncover a small part of it. That's the funny part because this investigation is like the feds infilitrating the Gambino family and throwing a bunch of people in jail over it. Does anyone think the mafia goes away when you do that? Even if you uncover a vast network of associates, payments etc. you're really just going after one of many such networks.

garde

February 16th, 2018 at 10:33 AM ^

Yes, that's a good analogy (cycling and doping). I played high level AAU back in the early 90s with 3-4 players on the team who went to a major D1 conference and the others low end D1 or D2/D3. When we were out of state or across the country playing in tournaments, almost all of our meals were picked up by asistant coaches who were recruiting players on the team. They would just walk in, wave at the coach, and our bill would be taken care away from the table. (Packets of cash were also slipped to our coach all the time..not huge sums of money..but pocket cash to take us to a restaurant, pay for a trip to the movies, or gas money for the van, etc)

One of the guys on the team had a high profile brother who played for one of the most storied programs (not Duke) and every week during his recruitment,  he and his high school teammmates would open their mailboxes with another pair of shoes and/or gear from one of the shoe companies. They received so much merch they would just give it away..one time saying "I dont have any room left in my bedroom." In college, said player and his teammates  all had access to cars from a local dealer where they "had" part time jobs. (no they never worked there).

I can only imagine its gotten so much worse and probably has always been bad with the top players., but it is/was an open secret. Without that "side cash" we probably would have eaten a majority of our meals at McD's..When we didn't have a shitty meal, i would say 9 out of 10 times, the tab was picked up by a recruiter or one of the two parents of teammates who could afford a pasta dinner for 10.

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Mr Miggle

February 16th, 2018 at 7:44 AM ^

on a regular basis should be very worried. MSU.fans that are paying attention must be. At least they can hang onto some realistic hope, unlike Kansas, Auburn, Arizona.

Which fanbase should be the happiest about this news? How about Louisville? The NCAA may punish every school caught up in cheating, but it's looking a lot less likely that they'll make an example out of Louisville.

 

 

MWolverine7

February 16th, 2018 at 7:37 AM ^

I think a poster mentioned that if Izzo did go to the dark side in recent years, it’s likely he had the assistants do the dirty work. Let’s see how long it takes for those assistants to throw Izzo under the bus when faced with possible indictments.

Rufus X

February 16th, 2018 at 7:49 AM ^

Deyonta Davis. Muskegon High. The AD is also the basketball coach there, and has been known locally as a back alley dealmaker for years..  He also acts as Davis' agent. And Davis was one of the notable recent 5* recruits for Izzo, who really hadn't pursued or landed those kinds of kids in the recent past.  

Someone cue the "House of Cards" theme music.

kevbo1

February 16th, 2018 at 8:01 AM ^

For this after the investigation is complete, but we all know it won't happen or if it does happen the punishment will be weak and not fit the crime. At least we know Michigan is clean.

ThatGuyCeci

February 16th, 2018 at 8:52 AM ^

I’m 99.9% sure one of those schools on their list is the same school that currently has the #1, #2, and #3 recruits in the nation. Looking at you Coach K........

MGOTokyo

February 16th, 2018 at 9:32 AM ^

Throw all of the fucking cheaters in jail. Including the players and parents who knew damn well they were doing illegal acts.

SpilledMilk

February 16th, 2018 at 10:30 AM ^

I'm not sure about all that. The '16 Ole Miss class would come under heavy skepticism and we don't need any more of that right now.

MClass87

February 16th, 2018 at 11:47 AM ^

I think you are going to see a lot of turnover in the "Assistant Coaching" ranks over the next several months.  If I was an NCAA head coach who knew that my team was going to be implicated in this scandal, I would destroy any evidence that would directly implicate me so that I could blame any and all impropriety on my staff.  These scapegoats would be forced out so that I could claim that I have already cleaned up our program by forcing out the bad element, however, the FBI is going to work with the IRS to go after these bag-men and the lower level assistant coaches with a vengeance.  These people will be given the choice of either ratting out others or serving actual prison time.  This is going to get real ugly and will probably spread to football as well. 

Hold This L

February 16th, 2018 at 1:31 PM ^

when Mateen ratted out Michigan with the car thing. I'm not gonna stoop to that level if Sparty gets sanctions. But it would shut up all of my "friends" and relatives.