More Good News Coming per Hinton/Jackson
After Solomon committed, I noticed that Chris Hinton and Giles Jackson tweeted that we aren’t done in this class. Would obviously take that to mean that there is at least another guy on the hook...Hinton and Jackson have been two of our most actively outspoken commits on Twitter.
Could it be as simple as Cornelius Johnson(which is exciting in its own right)?
December 17th, 2018 at 9:18 AM ^
The OH recruiting has definitely picked up, but yeah PA has been better in the past. I guess you could say we focused more on NJ than PA. I wouldn't mind if that was reversed.
December 17th, 2018 at 10:41 AM ^
Did Harbaugh tell you he is satisfied that he is not getting 5 stars?
Of course not - but now that he is working on his 5th class, he is what he is. He's not out there demanding better from his coaches as recruiters and replacing those who aren't hacking it. It's telling when some of the better recruiters we have had left Michigan pretty early on in JH's tenure.
Michigan needs to win a couple of big games with 4 stars before getting more 5 stars unless they are lucky.
We agree on this completely. The thing is, I don't foresee a lot of those wins coming any time soon. The guy has crapped the bed in 100% of "big games" in his tenure - losing in embarrassing fashion mostly. Again, kids don't want to go somewhere where losing by 30 to rivals almost yearly is the norm and it tolerated. When OSU loses by 20-30, they don't do it again that year and they typically come out and take out their anger on Harbaugh & Michigan.
By the way, didn't he get DPJ?
Yah, good point. I forgot him - but he is most likely the last 5* WR Michigan ever gets. Why would a receiver want to come play for this offense? Get target 6 times a game and block downfield for between the tackles runs for 2 yards 35 times a game?
Meanwhile, they can go play for a 21st century offense that prepares them for the NFL and actually utilize their skill set.
December 17th, 2018 at 11:45 AM ^
I like how you put "big games" in quotation marks so you can define it however you want. Clearly so you can discount wins against ranked opponents and primarily focus on losses to OSU and MSU. Also this team has lost 3 games in "embarrassing fashion" under Harbaugh's tenure - OSU 2015, PSU 2017 and OSU 2018. Less than one per year. We were practically averaging 3 bad losses per year the 7 years prior. OSU has gotten blown out once a year for the past 3 years as well.
If you want to classify all of this as Harbaugh's recruiting failures that's fine. I interpret it to mean that if Harbaugh can't do it then Michigan is never going to be a top recruiting team in the current environment.
He has also made staff changes over the years so I have no idea what you're blabbing about there. Young, up and coming coaches with good recruiting chops are going to move around - this happens at every decently successful team in FBS every single year. 5th class is also BS as he came in late for the first year. Even Tom Herman couldn't turn around his first class at a blue blood school in the most talent rich state in the country.
December 17th, 2018 at 12:01 PM ^
I like how you put "big games" in quotation marks so you can define it however you want.
I put it in quotes because the person I was replying to used the phrase "big games" and I was reusing it. Has nothing to do with trying to define it how I want.
Clearly so you can discount wins against ranked opponents and primarily focus on losses to OSU and MSU. Also this team has lost 3 games in "embarrassing fashion" under Harbaugh's tenure - OSU 2015, PSU 2017 and OSU 2018.
Beating a ranked MSU team this year isn't a "big game" to me - you could make an argument for it and I would definitely listen and am open to changing my opinion on it. I think the OSU games every year, the night games in Madison and Happy Valley are "big games" I am open to discussion on what "big games" are.
OSU has gotten blown out once a year for the past 3 years as well.
And beat UM each of those years and went on to win the B1G 2 of those.
He has also made staff changes over the years so I have no idea what you're blabbing about there. Young, up and coming coaches with good recruiting chops are going to move around - this happens at every decently successful team in FBS every single year.
And yet, OSU and Bama continue to recruit in the top 3 every year. Meanwhile, UM jumps from 5th then to 22nd, etc.
December 17th, 2018 at 1:20 PM ^
I don't blame you for forgetting the USC game, but I'd say that being the only B1G team to lose a bowl game was pretty fucking embarrassing. FSU was pretty embarrassing too.
Even so, it's not like Harbaugh is James Franklin or something.
December 17th, 2018 at 8:44 AM ^
Bowl beat downs? Wha? Regarding 5 stars it really depends on the position. True we got Gary, but 10.5 total sacks was underwhelming for his career. Love the guy but stats do matter. Top ranked DEs the past 11 years have been hit or miss. Only 2 out of 6 were All Americans and even Clowney did not have a good junior season. The other 4 were all super underwhelming.
5 star DEs grow into NFL picks based on potential alone but again,the actual production is lacking.
December 17th, 2018 at 9:02 AM ^
1) Yes, his stat line was at times a disappointment, but
2) It's almost like you don't read this blog. Gary is an Anchor DE, not a WDE. His job is to force the play a certain way, hold contain etc... He's just not going to get as many fancy stats as a guy like Chase whose sole job is to attack the ball carrier.
3) There's a reason why NFL guys are so high on Gary. It's because he does his job very, very well, he's not an ego guy, and he's strong/fast/explosive.
December 17th, 2018 at 11:19 AM ^
He was the consensus #1 recruit in the entire country. Really good player, teammate, but I do think it is fair to point out his stat line. 10.5 total sacks. J Clowney had 24 sacks and 47 TFL in 3 years. That's the kind of production you'd expect from a consensus, composite #1 defensive end prospect.
Potential is great but proof is in the stat line.
December 17th, 2018 at 8:44 AM ^
Go jump off a bridge. Michigan doesn’t need fans like you around complaining about how we’re not Alabama, Clemson, or Ohio State on the recruiting trail (or perhaps better described as Saban, Dabo, or Meyer). Seriously, man...give it a rest. Michigan is going to have a great class. No, it’s not full of 5-stars. Neither is anyone else’s outside of the top couple. We’re in a good place now, and Harbaugh has established us at a floor of 8-4 and, with a couple of bounces, a shot at 11-1 or even 12-0 seasons. Why would you be so upset about this?
December 17th, 2018 at 11:04 AM ^
Go jump off a bridge. Michigan doesn’t need fans like you around complaining about how we’re not Alabama, Clemson, or Ohio State on the recruiting trail (or perhaps better described as Saban, Dabo, or Meyer).
Okay cool. I was wondering who the arbiter of Michigan fandom was! Thanks for telling me!
Why would you be so upset about this?
Not upset at all. Just stating my opinion. It's a message board, so it's practically impossible to understand and judge emotion and intent of the words. But like I said below, I am just sharing an opinion. I understand you don't like it and believe JH is the great thing since sliced bread and anyone who says otherwise is a dirty troll and you want them to go kill themselves.
What I don't understand, is why it makes you respond even? Don't like it, just keep scrolling.
December 17th, 2018 at 2:12 PM ^
Blogs are like politics. You either believe in a ruthless crooked Hillary eating baby flesh every morning or a robotic Donald Trump that is controlled by Russia there is no in between.
Lets work in some gray area here just for fun.
1. Harbaugh was handed a disaster when he arrived. If Hoke would've stayed on I believe he would've had a 3 win season where Harbaugh had a 10 win season. You CANT discount that!
2. There was some serious roster holes after the 2016 players left. Harbaugh didn't identify it quickly enough but it left us reeling in 2017.
3. Asking why Harbaugh isn't a top 3 coach yet is kind of reaching don't you think? Isnt a vast improvement a good start. Look at Sabans first 10 years coaching. It reads a lot like Harbaughs trajectory with us. His LSU championship year would've been near identical to ours if we stopped that 4th down vs OSU.
4. STOP discounting wins versus Wisconsin, PSU, and MSU. Those are big wins.
5. OSU is a monkey on his back, a huge monkey on his back. I think the MSU thing is over now its time to take them down. But as for now there is NO defense for our struggles vs OSU.
More wins than losses if you ask me. Plenty of talent to secure our spot as the second best team in the big ten. Now we move on to the next target. Sweeney was in this same place at this point in his Clemson career. Its not all rainbows and puppy dogs but we are 1 team from reaching a new summit, and that team just lost the second best coach in the game.
Now get that offense high powered and learn how to work at a fast pace when the situation dictates it.
Sorry for the tl;dr
December 17th, 2018 at 3:33 PM ^
1. Harbaugh was handed a disaster when he arrived. If Hoke would've stayed on I believe he would've had a 3 win season where Harbaugh had a 10 win season. You CANT discount that!
You're right. I don't discount that. That was a fun year of football! I wish we could have had another year of Harbaugh and Ruddock. That Florida bowl game was bad ass!
2. There was some serious roster holes after the 2016 players left. Harbaugh didn't identify it quickly enough but it left us reeling in 2017.
I am still with you
3. Asking why Harbaugh isn't a top 3 coach yet is kind of reaching don't you think? Isnt a vast improvement a good start. Look at Sabans first 10 years coaching. It reads a lot like Harbaughs trajectory with us. His LSU championship year would've been near identical to ours if we stopped that 4th down vs OSU.
Okay, I can understand your point here - 4 years is a quick time-frame. However, I foresee this being a long runway - these transfers and decommits and player's parents being pissed at the coaches - they are starting to add up. JH needs to start getting some good news and get some wins.
STOP discounting wins versus Wisconsin, PSU, and MSU. Those are big wins.
I would trade all the Wins against WI and PSU for a .500 record against OSU.
5. OSU is a monkey on his back, a huge monkey on his back. I think the MSU thing is over now its time to take them down. But as for now there is NO defense for our struggles vs OSU.
Agreed
Now get that offense high powered and learn how to work at a fast pace when the situation dictates it.
He needs to bring this offense into the 21st century period. Go find the best and youngest OC and stop thinking you are smarter than everyone.
Some great points though - lots we agree on for sure!
December 17th, 2018 at 8:50 AM ^
How do you have zero points? Is everything ok?
December 17th, 2018 at 8:50 AM ^
Harbaugh does more with less. When Saban was getting "less", he was getting beat by ULM. Get a grip, dude. Let's look at the [recruiting] classes and the results 2-3 years later. As much as we are disappointed with the results, the facts are Harbaugh has:
- 3(!!!) 10 win seasons
- Michigan back to a Top-10 team year in and year out
- In Top Kid's final 3, 5, 10.
Give the guy time, and let's enjoy this over the 3-9/5-7 Debacles.
December 17th, 2018 at 9:12 AM ^
Beat your rivals and people will relax.
December 17th, 2018 at 10:05 AM ^
No - the sky will be falling because of something else.
December 17th, 2018 at 9:31 AM ^
Harbaugh does more with less.
That would be nice. Take a look at Harbaugh's 2016 and 2017 class ranks (e.g., the guys who are getting the most play on this current team).
The former was 8th and the latter 5th on the team 247 ranking:
https://247sports.com/college/michigan/Season/2017-Football/Commits/
What was Michigan's end of season rank this year? Oh, that's right we're ranked 7th! It seems like Harbaugh is doing about as one would expect, based on recruiting.
He's not underperforming, but the idea that he's going to replicate Stanford's "more with less" success in the 2018 version of the Big 10 needs to be put to bed.
December 17th, 2018 at 11:39 AM ^
Those 2016 and 2017 players are getting most of the playing time because of Hoke's obvious decline and Harbaugh's late start to the 2015 recruiting class. It's pretty impressive what Harbaugh has managed considering the 5-7 team he inherited (with growing losses every year) and effectively only 2 recruiting classes making up this year's team.
The team's not elite yet, though. To make the next leap I think Harbaugh has to beat OSU with the caliber of players he has. He'll have a chance at the Big House against Day next year. Michigan has to find a way to win that game. Harbaugh's cache plus a win over OSU's new coach would be huge for momentum.
December 17th, 2018 at 11:48 AM ^
It's pretty impressive what Harbaugh has managed considering the 5-7 team he inherited (with growing losses every year) and effectively only 2 recruiting classes making up this year's team.
I definitely agree to that point. JH definitely has proven he can get teams to a definitive floor. It's his ceiling that is lower than anyone wants to admit to, I think.
He'll have a chance at the Big House against Day next year. Michigan has to find a way to win that game. Harbaugh's cache plus a win over OSU's new coach would be huge for momentum.
He has put so much pressure on himself in that game next year. Almost too much pressure. He needs to win that one or his seat will 100% be hot, whether people here want to admit it or not.
December 17th, 2018 at 12:33 PM ^
Yes, there will be a lot of pressure to win the OSU game next year. That is what it is. I don't necessarily agree with his seat being "hot" at that point, but that talk would definitely grow.
As always with these discussions where people tend to retreat to one corner or the other and lob arguments to the other side, there is actually a lot of common ground. Most would agree, I think, that Harbaugh has dug the program out of the RR/Hoke hole and built a great foundation going forward. It is no small feat. We should never forget the Rutgers loss or the infamous Coke promotion when thinking about the current state of the team.
The debate comes with recruiting. Does Harbaugh need to beat Ohio State to get better recruits? If so, does the team need a new-look offense to do that? Or can we expect those recruits now based on Harbaugh's reputation and chops?
Like you, I tend to think Harbaugh has established a new, higher floor. Last year's class seems to be the outlier amid very good to great, but not elite, classes. I personally think he needs to beat OSU and win a B1G championship to make that jump.
December 17th, 2018 at 1:30 PM ^
I'd say the most impressive thing that Harbaugh has done, potentially in his entire coaching career, was leading Hoke's broken team and Iowa's castoff QB to a 10-3 season, where they lost a pretty close first game on the road at night in the Pacific time zone.
All the stargazers have a point though. OSU and other programs like that are built to recruit - shit, Zach Smith was an awful WR coach (and person) but stuck around partially because he was a kickass recruiter.
Warinner wasn't thought to be a good recruiter at OSU and he's currently the best recruiter on Michigan's offense. Jay is far from sensational, but he's in the top 50 recruiters in the B1G this year. Pep? Nowhere to be seen.
It's pretty clear that a lot of elite coaching staffs are built around recruiting first, and that's not the case for this version of Harbaugh's staff. Does it really matter? I'm not sure. Would recruiting pick up if we had an OC and WR coach who recruited like an average OC and WR coach at a top 10 program? Most definitely.
December 17th, 2018 at 1:57 PM ^
I'd say the most impressive thing that Harbaugh has done, potentially in his entire coaching career, was leading Hoke's broken team and Iowa's castoff QB to a 10-3 season, where they lost a pretty close first game on the road at night in the Pacific time zone.
This is a great point and one I can definitely agree with.
Maybe I need to make a switch in my head and be happy with 10-3 every year. I mean, it's far better than 3-9. It can be an unfulfilling feeling when UM seems like it has finally turned a corner, only to be beat down by OSU.
December 17th, 2018 at 3:14 PM ^
I 100% agree with this. The only coach that has done more with less in B1G is Pat Fitzgerald. Michigan was a flat out dumpster fire when Harbaugh took over. That first year was way above expectations and unfortunately set most fans expectations even higher (including mine). Did I believe Michigan would have a B1G championship by now? Yes. But I also see an elite Offense next year with a very solid defense. Also see an outstanding recruiting class this year and the continuation of building a great "clean" program.
December 17th, 2018 at 12:45 PM ^
Those 2017 guys were/are freshmen this season. You're going to say that the team should finish 7th, because the freshmen recruiting class was between 5-8?
The team is comprised of more than just 2016 and 2017 guys. What were the rankings for the juniors and seniors this season?
That would be 2014 and 2015. How many of those players are still even here and/or are contributing?
December 17th, 2018 at 1:42 PM ^
Unfortunately, the productive parts of the team actually are mostly 2016 and 2017 guys.
If you think Harbaugh did a masterful job this year, fine. I don't. I think he did about as good of a job as most good coaches would do.
December 17th, 2018 at 8:50 AM ^
Man, is there so sort of contest for dumb, fact free posts on this site?
Btw, when is the last time Bama or OSU had a ten win season.
December 17th, 2018 at 9:00 AM ^
Theres only so many 5 stars to go around. 34 total
17 of the 23 currently committed 5 stars are going to Southern schools. The other 6 are Oregon, OSU, MSU, Wisconsin, PSU, and Oklahoma. The south always dominates the elite talent because they have he homefield advantage
We have Charbonnet at 42 and Hinton at 49. Many think Charbonnet will be a 5 star by the time the final rankings release
Notre Dame doesn't have a 5 star and they are in the playoffs. Oklahoma only has one.
December 17th, 2018 at 10:36 AM ^
Top 100, 200, or 250 is so much more meaningful than some discrete "star" measure. Charbonnet is clearly elite as a top 50 guy, while the lowest ranked four-star is a totally different kind of player.
A team full of top 100 four stars is going to be much better than a team with a few five stars and a bunch of lower ranked four stars.
December 17th, 2018 at 10:58 AM ^
Theres only so many 5 stars to go around. 34 total
That's a good point. I can understand that and relinquish that ground. There are only so many chances to get 5* kids each year
I still believe a program like UM, with arguably the most advantages, money, institutional and booster support, etc. nationally, should be pulling in top 5 or top 3 classes yearly.
Notre Dame doesn't have a 5 star and they are in the playoffs.
I guess that tells us all we need to know about JH and his ability to win "big games" then.
December 17th, 2018 at 11:29 AM ^
You really have an issue with Harbaugh. I'm truly interested in what leads you to believe, with facts not opinions, that he is underperforming? You mention 5 stars enough to believe they matter yet Harbaugh inherited a program in, what some may say, dire need. Look at every program with better overall performance than Michigan in his four years here. Look at their talent base. Identify one other than OSU that gets a foot of snow in any given week. You would find probably none but Notre Dame.
What's your football opinion of Hoke? Dantonio?
What did you think of the basketball program five years ago?
December 17th, 2018 at 11:40 AM ^
I'm truly interested in what leads you to believe, with facts not opinions, that he is underperforming?
3rd highest paid coach in the country but
- 0 B1G East titles
- 0 B1G Titles
- 0-4 against OSU
- 1-2 in bowl games
What's your football opinion of Hoke? Dantonio?
Hoke: quite possibly the worst hire in the history of job openings
Dantonio: a POS human but a great coach. Continuously gets more out of less. I hate him and wouldn't want my kid to play for him but he wins games he "shouldn't", beats OSU on a somewhat regular basis, has a B1G title, etc. etc.
What did you think of the basketball program five years ago?
Have loved the basketball team since I knew was basketball was, going back to 1992 when my older brother introduced me to this cool new group of kids playing for Michigan. I think Beilein is a brilliant basketball mind and has proven he can develop kids and can both get them to play in his system but he can also modify his system to fit the kids - something I wish Harbaugh could learn.
December 17th, 2018 at 12:47 PM ^
Dantonio has more opportunities to win games that he shouldn't
Michigan was favored in all but 1 game this season, meaning they only had 1 opportunity to win a game that they shouldn't.
MSU was not favored in several games, giving them more opportunities.
December 17th, 2018 at 1:43 PM ^
HUH? Logic anyone?
But--so that means he wins games he shouldn't. A lot. Makes him a good coach.
December 17th, 2018 at 11:42 AM ^
You strike me as someone who hasn't traveled around much. Ann Arbor is a nice city and Michigan is a good University. However, there are probably 10-15 places that the average non-Midwest college kid would rather be based on some combination of weather, girls, on-field success, and party school status.
Guys from the South and West Coast generally don't want to go somewhere that it's cold five months a year.
It's actually more surprising that UCLA, USC, FSU, UF, etc don't do incredibly better than Michigan when it comes to recruiting.
December 17th, 2018 at 11:52 AM ^
You strike me as someone who hasn't traveled around much. Ann Arbor is a nice city and Michigan is a good University. However, there are probably 10-15 places that the average non-Midwest college kid would rather be based on some combination of weather, girls, on-field success, and party school status
I made a post a while back about this same point. JH and Michigan are severely limited due to location. There is a natural ceiling due to that. I am not stupid and I realize SEC country takes high school football a little more seriously than we do in the upper midwest. There are natural benefits to that. Now, on the other-hand, is OSU that much different, weather wise? Is ND?
It's actually more surprising that UCLA, USC, FSU, UF, etc don't do incredibly better than Michigan when it comes to recruiting.
I 100% agree with you there. How USC and UCLA every go through down periods is beyond me. They should be top 15-20 every single year.
December 17th, 2018 at 1:38 PM ^
I think OSU gets much better recruits than Michigan for a few reasons, not related to location. They've been a million times more successful than us, and that helps. Their staff is built to recruit, while we have Pep who seems to do almost nothing. They appeal to the "don't play school" set of players, which I think is much larger than the "I actually care about getting a degree" kids.
ND is a more interesting comparison. I don't think they actually recruit better than Michigan by any large amount. Plus, they've been more successful lately.
December 17th, 2018 at 12:01 PM ^
I don't share a similar opinion that Michigan "should" be recruiting a top 5 or 3 class every year. "40 year decision" is a legitimate recruiting tool for some kids but location, weather, academic requirements, lack of recent success against rivals, Rich Rod/Hoke years etc. all put Michigan at a top 10 recruiting finish high end goal for me. I don't and won't expect top 3.
December 17th, 2018 at 12:05 PM ^
I get that. I can respect the difference of opinion there. I would rather the team I cheer for beat our rivals on a somewhat consistent basis, and win conference titles, and compete for a national title every so often - and to do that - you need to get the most talented kids. Right or wrong, that is the reality right now. UM isn't bringing in the same talent level of kids OSU and Bama are bringing in, so no one should expect to beat them any time soon, or win conference titles, etc.
December 17th, 2018 at 1:12 PM ^
OSU and Alabama are recruiting at that level because they've been dominating their respective conferences and annually finishing in the top 5-10 nationally for more than a decade, with a handful or so national championships between them.
Michigan obviously can't claim that. Not even close. So, I don't know why we should be expecting Michigan to be recruiting at that level, Harbaugh or not. And complaining about it seems pointless.
An interesting hypothetical: Give Michigan this year's Clemson schedule, and what happens? Michigan is very, very likely undefeated, in the playoff, and the whole perception is different. But that's life when you have a juggernaut to contend with in your own division.
December 17th, 2018 at 9:13 AM ^
Why can’t this site do a better job at getting rid of the obvious trolls. It’s pretty obvious who they are when you look at posting history.
December 17th, 2018 at 10:05 AM ^
You'll never get rid of the trolls. You ban Maizen, you get Bluey. You ban Bluey, you get Diagonal Blue. You ban Diagonal Blue, you get TurrnerandBlue. Some people just derive joy out of trying to tear down a thing that they themselves can't be a part of. An empty existence to be sure, but no troll is ever going to consciously confront their own inadequacy; to do so would demonstrate a level of maturity that would preclude them from being a troll in the first place. The best defense is to ignore them and not give them the thing they're craving the most....attention.
December 17th, 2018 at 10:50 AM ^
You could require the account be tied to a cell phone number. Problem solved.
December 17th, 2018 at 10:52 AM ^
Well, I am none of those people. I am just a dude with an opinion that is different than 95% of the board.
I get that that 95% will hate me and call me a troll, but that is what it is.
Some people just derive joy out of trying to tear down a thing that they themselves can't be a part of.
You arm-chair psychology notwithstanding, I find no joy in tearing down anything. Again, this is a message board for UM sports, not a kumbaya circle.
An empty existence to be sure, but no troll is ever going to consciously confront their own inadequacy; to do so would demonstrate a level of maturity that would preclude them from being a troll in the first place.
I live a pretty full and happy life actually. Great job. Amazing Wife. 1st child (a son) coming in less than 2 weeks. Some great friends that have similar interests. Some new breweries opened up near my work I can hit up for Happy Hour. Life is pretty damn great actually
Now, I am pessimistic by nature, but I am also a realist. And while you want to have a dick measuring contest where you have already declared yourself the winner of, I simply am posting an opinion about the football team/recruiting class/Harbaugh. Nothing more- nothing less.
You are turning into some existential discussion about how I am baring my true self. Again - bro - it's a stupid football opinion.
Don't get so damn uptight about it.
December 17th, 2018 at 12:50 PM ^
I'm not uptight about anything. My comment was merely a response to another poster's impatience with people who troll the board and I tried to put it into context. I didn't address you directly. But since you brought it up, you are a troll. A review of your posting history shows a preponderance of negative; oh, excuse me, realistic comments on Michigan sports. Jesus, you're putting negative spins on an 11-0 basketball team.
But if you're really just here to give your opinion, then consider it delivered. You're the objective truth-speaker and the rest of us are fanboys with our heads in the sand. Well spoken and there's no need for you to carry on any longer, unless of course, that's not really the agenda you're pursuing?
December 17th, 2018 at 2:07 PM ^
A review of your posting history shows a preponderance of negative; oh, excuse me, realistic comments on Michigan sports. Jesus, you're putting negative spins on an 11-0 basketball team.
I guess that whole part about being a pessimist fell on deaf ears.
You're the objective truth-speaker and the rest of us are fanboys with our heads in the sand.
Jeez dude - you are so damn sensitive.
Well spoken and there's no need for you to carry on any longer, unless of course, that's not really the agenda you're pursuing?
I'm not pursuing any agenda. You are? Why do you believe everyone has an agenda? Like I said earlier, this is a sports message board - you are taking it WAY too serious my boy.
December 17th, 2018 at 1:48 PM ^
Just wait till you have Indy Pete up your ass telling people no one cares about your opinion and brag about all the MGoPoints he has. Telling you that your jealous and envious of Michigan. It’s sad really that people can’t handle people giving their sometimes negative opinions on Michigan sports. Read an OSU or Bama board and they still critize. I appreciate your objective view on Michigan athletics TurnerandBlue. They are great and I love them but they aren’t perfect and not on the level that so many people think they are on. But they are the fans that will say they want change, and not want to step on any toes or hurt any feelings along the way. People will construe whatever you say on this board to fit their own agenda and assume way too much. You make some great points.
December 17th, 2018 at 2:19 PM ^
Oh man - the MGoPoints schtick has gotten terrible over the last year. Especially once they migrated to the new site. How many posts and comments about "where are the voting buttons?!"
It's a weird badge of honor for some of the people here. I don't understand it and never will.
They are great and I love them but they aren’t perfect and not on the level that so many people think they are on
Dude - I know my takes can be hawt and aren't as nuanced as some people here want them to be - I'm just some stupid project manager for a Fortune 500 company - I am not paid to speak on college football for my job. The fact some people go all ad-hominem on here just makes no sense.
I appreciate your note and your insight though!
December 17th, 2018 at 11:39 AM ^
Here's a list of P5/Top teams that had 10 wins seasons last fall who didnt pull in a 5-Star last class in the 247 rankings:
TCU
Oklahoma St
Michigan St
Wisconsin
Northwestern
Notre Dame
Boise St
Washington
Auburn
Weird that they allow Harbaugh to coach 9 other teams at once, apparently.
December 17th, 2018 at 11:45 AM ^
I guess I didn't realize we aspired to be mentioned with the likes of Boise St., NW, and TCU.
Your overall counterpoint is accurate - JH isn't the ONLY coach who wins 10 games that doesn't turn that into 5* recruiting success - I can concede that.
I was more meaning that compared to the elite - which is exactly what UM fans want to be whether they want to admit it or not, everyone here wants to win at the same clip as Bama, OSU, and Clemson - those schools pull in 5* kids while winning 10 games.
December 17th, 2018 at 8:31 AM ^
I'm a grown man (Mom - meatloaf!) and I'm scrounging about for rumors. Can people just come out and say whatever it is? Thank you.