January 7th, 2011 at 3:01 PM ^

I'm sure that's all his fault?  I don't care what he does if he comes here as long as he wins.  He is slightly sketchy I would admit.  However, he is a proven winner in an almost impossible conference and he recruits nationally which is highly important if we EVER want to be on Ohio States level again.

Abe Froman

January 8th, 2011 at 12:58 AM ^

i just posted this on the other thread but strongly feel it pertinent and worth saying again.  (deep breath) neg me to bolivia if necessary.



i want to win, and bad -- but not at all costs.

guys, i come from the health profession, and it's a perfect translation or metaphor here.  i have met many a surgeon who was awesome with his hands but a complete asshole.  i was also fortunate to work with some of the best docs in the world who also kept it classy.  one thing i've learned is no matter how good dr. hotshot j. asshole is, there's always someone as good or better who can do it and do it with the right attitude.

i see this as what makes a "michigan man."  not that you come from bo, mo, or llo.  this coaching tree stuff is bullshit.  yes, we must win, we are michigan, but it's how we win that sets us apart.

i wasnt in favor of keeping RR but the guy strived to do it the right way.  the mere fact that we are even discussing the ethics of LM isn't indicative of moving in the right direction.  he's a spectacular coach, but if he can't play by the ground rules DB sets, then move on down our list to someone who can.


January 7th, 2011 at 10:44 PM ^


What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. 


January 7th, 2011 at 3:55 PM ^

if RR detractors want to hold him responsible for 20+ extra minutes of stretching, then I think Les can certainly be held accountable for screwing student athletes. He is most certainly guilty of lying about it....you just watched the video, not to mention trying to slam the kid by indicating that he quit or wasn't putting in the effort. that's ookay with you, as long as you get more W's. Is that what M has become?

Let's be clear about this, we do not aspire to be on Ohio State's level, we aspire to be better than that. Sure we want to beat them, but let's not stoop to conquer.


January 7th, 2011 at 4:21 PM ^

Chris Garrett left LSU because he was fat and lazy.  LSU needed a quarterback desperately. There is no way Miles would have run him off without reason.

So Garrett transfers to a small school, Northwestern State. And how does he do?http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=506840  He played in two games. In one game he went 1 for 6 for 7 yards and in the other was 5 of 7 for 35 yards.  

Then he quit that school and transferred to Ole Miss.


January 7th, 2011 at 4:32 PM ^

College freshmen tend to struggle the first year away from home.  You're calling an 18 year old student athlete fat and lazy during his first real time at home.  By the way, do you think there is a minor chance that this was maybe in his head during the second stint?  If you don't find fault in what Miles did, then your complete ignorance of reality terrifies me.  


January 7th, 2011 at 4:10 PM ^

Garret gained tons of weight and transferred to Northwestern State and couldn't even start there.  

You really think Miles would run off a QB for no reason when LSU only had 2 scholarship players at QB, neither of them very good?


January 7th, 2011 at 3:06 PM ^

if one of the main problems with Rich Rod was a perception of character issues - how in the heck is Les Miles going to be viewed in the bright light of day, post Harbaugh let down. I don't think Les Miles will meet DB's public image criteria.


January 8th, 2011 at 11:50 AM ^

Who knows what business that person in the plane had in Baton Rouge.  I can tell you that outside of the few casinos there, there's not a whole lot else to that city for on outsider besides LSU.  Plus the report said that there was no record of that plane travelling there since at least September.  When you read the article, you can't help but at least say "Hmmm."


January 7th, 2011 at 4:54 PM ^

Assume Miles signs 85 per year in the SEC and goes 6 and 6.  He is not even in this conversation.  I am NOT condoning oversigning.  I am bemoaning the SEC's and NCAA's rules.  And I don't blame Miles by playing by the SEC's rules in the SEC.  Miles should not be the target of derision here.


January 7th, 2011 at 3:14 PM ^

Sounds as if you were DB this program would continue to play little sister to MSU and Ohio State forever.  As long as there not going to hire Hoke.  I would puke and detach emotionally for the first time in 34 years.  That would prove the dumbass Vallenti's point that Michigan is no longer a powerhouse.

Space Coyote

January 7th, 2011 at 3:33 PM ^

In which case, I would suggest using the reply button, as I am doing now.

I'm not sure how me not wanting Les Miles hired would make me "continue to play little sister to MSU and Ohio State forever."  There are clear things in the program, that Miles did, that had many people turn their back on him.  I like winning.  I also like integrity.  Simply winning or simply having integrity aren't good enough and Miles has seemed to have burned too many bridges and has lost a ton of integrity.  I'm not saying he's a bad coach, but there are much better options, Hoke being one of them, and that's doesn't mean I'm necessarily putting my support behind Hoke.


January 7th, 2011 at 4:27 PM ^

...Miles has seemed to have burned too many bridges and has lost a ton of integrity

Can you provide some more details on this statement?  Are you saying he burned bridges in Ann Arbor? What actions caused this loss of integrity?

Not attacking you, just wondering what may have occurred that I am not aware of.


Personally, I'd be delighted with the hire.  I don't believe there is a better option out there (assuming JH off the table) that can a) rebuild the program and b) unite the base by being a "Michigan Man".  Given the talent that is on board, I think LM could pick up where RR left off and take us forward, 8-9 wins next year, rather than take us backwards like, say, Hoke would - albeit temporarily, but a 2-3 year regression/rebuilding nonetheless.

As for the allegations of immorality with recruiting, over-signing, et al, that is easily overcome.  Simply put, DB tells him what he's done in SEC is not acceptable at UofM. Those aren't what I view as character flaws, especially when it's deemed acceptable by the SEC and his rivals are also doing the same thing.  He does it here, he's out.  I'm up for giving him a shot at leading this team back to greatness.




January 7th, 2011 at 7:36 PM ^

It's well covered territory, but to recap....

-Miles made up a story about Lloyd Carr having Parkinsons, and was telling recruits that he would retire soon. Obviously, Lloyd and the University were none too pleased with this.


-Academic issues.

-And the coupe de grace...There was a rumor that while Moe was head coach, Les slept with his wife, Ann, thus leading to Moe's drunken tirade at the Excaliber, and Miles' expulsion from the staff


January 7th, 2011 at 3:20 PM ^

OK, so Brandon addresses this with Miles if he is seriously considered.  Yes, it's a mark against him.  I do not see it as a deal-breaker because (1) it is, sadly, common in the SEC; (2) it is not common in the Big 10.  Guys, we're electing a football coach and not a religious figure.  Were this search to be decided by the Ayatollahs of Intergrity the only real candidates would be Ghandi and, perhas, Lloyd Carr.   


January 7th, 2011 at 3:22 PM ^

..Miles, even his head-scratching, game on the line moves sometimes. As for everything else about him, LSU can have him.

He certainly knows how to win, and even the extra-curricular activities he engages in down there might be more a product of trying to compete in the SEC than his true morals. The "but" of his actions at LSU would be that once someone has compromised their morals, assuming he had them to begin with, it makes it easier to do the next time around, especially in a climate where the fanbase is clamoring for wins.

For me, regarding Miles, it's thanks but no thanks.


January 7th, 2011 at 7:05 PM ^

Please read the definition of the word ethics and then compare the situation that got us infractions vs what Miles does to his players. Sacrificing the integrity of our program to win would be contrary to what a "Michigan Man" (whatever the hell it really is), means, wouldn't it? Obviously he wouldn't get away with recruiting tactics like that at Michigan, but the fact that he already has done it doesn't really sit well with me. Plus I hate coaches that suck at clock management.

Happy Jack

January 7th, 2011 at 3:24 PM ^

   Ok guys just because ESPN did a feature on Les Miles doesn't make him the only coach to do this. I'm not saying it's a good thing but it's more of a systematic problem with the NCAA.  They need to make rules that don't allow this to happen.  As long as teams are competing with the likes of Saban and others that push the boundaries of rules, coaches are always going to look for ways to cut corners and in some cases players.  College football has become a big nasty business and coaches are held accountable and punished for not winning.  Even if you believe RR is the greatest guy in the world, he got fired because he didn't win and that's the bottom line in college football whether you like it or not.  I'm not going to crucify Miles for it because I think you're all naive to believe this isn't happening to some degree at all major college football teams and just because ESPN isn't casting a light on every single coach doesn't mean there isn't things you don't know about some coaches that have coached here or you would want to coach here.  

The point is you don't really know until they do this kind of feature which they do rarely and only to a small handful of coaches.  While I agree it's not a good part of the sport, I'd be more interested in ways to tighten or correct the rules than blacklist only the few coaches that are exposed while theres dozens and dozens of others that do the same thing but simply don't get the same media attention.


January 7th, 2011 at 3:39 PM ^

Plus infinity bro.  Preach on.  If we can get Miles and we don't because of this, I'd be severely pissed.  He gives us the best chance to win with what we've got.  He's not tied to anyone offense.  If he has Matt Flynn, he'll work with his talents.  if he has Denard Robinson he'll work with his talents.  His defenses are always good.  This happens in college football.  He's not a terrible human being for doing it.


January 7th, 2011 at 3:38 PM ^

I think the culture at Michigan is strong enough to ensure nothing like SEC player shenanigans happens here. I agree with the sentiment that what happens at LSU, although completely wrong, must be seen through the prism of the SEC where this stuff happens too frequently.

Bring Miles to Michigan and make a honest man out of him.  


January 7th, 2011 at 3:42 PM ^

He will never coach in Ann Arbor, nor would I want him to.  To treat players like that is immoral, irrespective of what the norm is in the SEC.  Michigan isn't the "norm" and we don't want coaches who treat players in this fashion.  One thing that is certain about DB, and that's his focus on building upon a positive brand image.  Les Miles is the only coach on the "list" that I would have a serious problem supporting.