FrankMurphy

December 1st, 2016 at 5:48 PM ^

A witness, who declined to give her name, said she was leaving a store in the area when she saw a man at the intersection yelling at another man, who was trying to apologize. The man who was yelling shot the other man more than once, she said.

She said the shooter shot the man, stood over him and said "I told you don't you f--- with me." Then he fired again, she said.

Oh my God. There are no words. RIP.

Blueblood2991

December 1st, 2016 at 5:55 PM ^

It's interesting to me the amount of awareness severe depression gets as opposed to aggression. They are essentially the same thing, just on the opposite side of the spectrum. Lots of people suffer from it, but it might not come to a head until something dramatic happens. 

This will go down as just another road rage incident. Road rage is honking your horn and flipping the bird. This is something else, and it seems to keep happening.

stephenrjking

December 1st, 2016 at 6:11 PM ^

Aggression, you mean, uncontrolled anger?

You're right, it doesn't get enough attention. But it's not just an illness or something people are born with, either. Uncontrolled emotive behavior is a learned habit. It's not easy, but that behavior can change.

Sorry, I've seen too many people excuse destructive levels of anger by saying "that's just who I am" when it is not the case.

 

Blueblood2991

December 1st, 2016 at 6:36 PM ^

FWIW I agree with you that it's more nurture vs nature, but high dopamine and low serotonin levels lead to extreme aggression.

My point is that depression is often dismissed as just a chemical imbalance caused by these very same neurotransmitters. Granted the cynic in me thinks this is more Big Pharma's doing. But you can't tell me with absolute certainty that it's a learned behavior. 

There's always ads for "Learn the symptoms that someone you love might be depressed". Never do you see "Learn the early symptoms that your friend might lose his damn mind and hurt someone innocent before it's too late"

CoverZero

December 1st, 2016 at 6:01 PM ^

He was with the Jets for awhile and was part of the HBO show that they used to do in preseason.  Horrible for that to happen.  Its best to avoid angry people these days because you never know.

Bocheezu

December 1st, 2016 at 6:18 PM ^

My dad was a hyper-aggressive driver (he used to race cars as a hobby and had a hard time differentiating the race track from the highway) and that mentality carried over to me.  All of life was a race -- other cars were just obstacles between getting from A to B as fast as possible without getting pulled over.

Looking back, I'm pretty lucky that none of the road rage incidents I got into ended up like this.  It can really happen anywhere and you never know who's behind the wheel and whether they're packing or not.  It took years, but I eventually learned to just be a passive, compliant driver and just not engage anybody.  Speeding and cutting people off to make a light doesn't really save that much time in the grand scheme of things.  A couple minutes here or there, maybe.  It's not worth getting shot.

Not saying that any of that happened here.  Any road rage is really just senseless, though.  I don't have any kids of my own, but my cousin's kid turned 16 last year and I had to teach him not to tailgate people because one day one of those people will park the car in the street and pull a gun on you.  And then you're pretty much just fucked.

stephenrjking

December 1st, 2016 at 6:34 PM ^

Road rage is a strange concept on the surface. Why is there a type of emotional action that is specifically associated with driving, a practice that has only existed since the beginning of the 20th century?

For most people who experience driving-related anger, I believe that the feelings one experiences are similar to those experienced in a forum like this, or like Twitter or Reddit. That is, these are contexts in which the perceived offense against our person that prompts anger is divorced from the humanity of the person causing that offense.

You weren't cut off in traffic by Angela Merit, 34-year-old mother of two who has a baby screaming in the backseat because naptime was half an hour ago but she was stuck in line at the grocery store. What you see is that you were cut off by a blue Toyota Siena, the driver of which is only slightly visible if at all.

In the same way, you aren't angry at Darren Holland, a 38-year old divorcee who is constantly discouraged at his job because younger guys seem to get better opportunities, who doesn't get to see his kids as much as he should but doesn't know how to connect with them when he does, and who happens to write in a way that makes him sound short-tempered when discussing a football team he uses as an escape; you are angry at a screen name (such as "FantasyHero868") and an avatar of a bodybuilder flexing his muscles that Darren pulled off of Google images.

It is easier to be angry at people we don't know at all than people we at least understand as real humans. A lot of online and road-based anger stems from this dehumanization, I think. 

And it's a bit different than a guy pulling out a guy and shooting someone. I would guess that most people on this forum have overreacted in the contexts described above; I know I occasionally see a car or a twitter avi instead of a person. The assailant was acting in a manner that was much more out of control.

Bocheezu

December 1st, 2016 at 7:00 PM ^

but I feel like there is such a wide disparity on the road when it comes to what some people consider polite and what some consider rude.  Everybody has wildly different opinions and there are so many unwritten or even unrealized "rules" that it is difficult to act in a way that won't piss somebody off.

Upthread I mentioned I used to drive aggressively.  I used to get very angry when people would

-- change lanes at the last second coming up to a red light and take the empty lane from me that I had set up a half mile in advance (these people are invariably the slowest people on the road and make no use of the empty lane)

-- stop in the far right lane at a red light when they're going straight, blocking me from turning right on red

-- leave a gap

-- not come to a complete stop at a 4-way stop (lose the tie as a result) and then honk and glare at me when I go ahead of them

I've talked to a lot of people about what I consider rude, and they pretty much all think I'm being selfish and unreasonable.  So I guess I'm in the wrong.  But I never do these things to other people.  So who's being polite and who isn't?

 

stephenrjking

December 1st, 2016 at 7:23 PM ^

So, question to you (though I think a lot of us have various preferences about what is and is not acceptably polite driving): Does it affect your perception of such actions as rude that the individuals doing these things are not necessarily visible as people, but as vehicles?

I tend to think of driving as a solitary activity. I listen to a radio station of my choice, I can hold a phone conversation, etc. So meeting someone at an intersection isn't really a "social" meeting. 

In contrast, if I were navigating a busy lobby or hallway, I don't feel like I'm doing something on my own. I am passing through a large number of people. I don't feel like I'm in my own space in nearly the same way. It's much more anonymous in a car, in my experience anyway. 

 

jabberwock

December 1st, 2016 at 9:23 PM ^

I suffer from depression;  and barely controlled, often irrational anger (occasionally while driving) is one of the manifestations I deal with on a daily basis.

The dehumanization issue you describe probably works best when viewing it from a social/cultural angle.  
Everywhere is becoming overcrowded, there are 3X as many drivers (now with more distractions) than there were 30 yrs ago.
Children are not taught manners as in days past, they are considered lucky just to have 2 parents under 1 roof.
With the help of reality tv & technology we've learned to be more self isolating & selfish.
etc.
Sort of like we've all become New Yorkers.

Individually, depression is far more intimate.

I sometimes lose control & and get irrationally angry at my adorable 5 year old children who are the absolute light of my life.  
That is clinical, and is completely unrelated to whether I can identify a person behind a windshield.

Fishbulb

December 1st, 2016 at 6:35 PM ^

You never know when someone else's bad day will turn into YOUR last day. People need to chill while driving. It's always a lose-lose. Drive with regard for human life (including yours) and stay the eff in your car.

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doctorofstyle

December 1st, 2016 at 8:28 PM ^

senseless bs. I just peeped a doc on the UK aka London, man I wish the US was like London and the way they shut shit down with there gun laws... people are more afraid to have a gun there.

oh yeah... lock thread alert

MgoBlueprint

December 2nd, 2016 at 10:52 AM ^

How? This is going to get political, but this is the type of stuff that leads to unrest and protests. Someone kills someone else in cold blood, in broad daylight, and gets released without charges or an explanation

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