CFP Updated Standings

Submitted by alum96 on

Well with Minnesota moving in at #25 Brady can point to 4 losses to top 25 teams! #MoralVictories

I had all these predicted correct except Oregon over FSU - TCU at #4 passing Bama as TCU's win over KSU was better than Alabama's over LSU.  Also lets committee not look so SEC centric.  Then Bama can pass TCU next week with a win over Miss State.  Question would be how far they'd drop one loss Miss State - behind TCU or no? I think not... if its a close loss.

Oregon as #2, nice - putting a 1 loss team over a 0 loss in seeding!   Punish FSU for looking like slackers every week.  Sends a good message.  OU with a very convincing win at a quality Utah squad.

Baylor fans are going to be incensed that they beat TCU head to head but are behind them - but I think TCU has done more as well. Baylor's OOC is putrid.  So far I like this committee.

  1. Miss State
  2. Oregon
  3. FSU
  4. TCU
  5. Bama
  6. ASU
  7. Baylor
  8. OSU
  9. Auburn
  10. Ole Miss
  11. UCLA
  12. MSU
  13. KSU
  14. Arizona
  15. Georgia
  16. Nebraska
  17. LSU
  18. Notre Dame
  19. Clemson
  20. Wisconsin
  21. Duke
  22. GA Tech
  23. Utah
  24. Texas A&M
  25. Minnesota

UMCoconut

November 11th, 2014 at 7:46 PM ^

Pretty good balance right now, though it will obviously change. 4 conferences in playoff spots, with a second PAC, Sec, bigXII and first B1G team to round out top 8.

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alum96

November 11th, 2014 at 8:10 PM ^

Yes but TCU is out of quality wins left on their resume, and so is OSU other than the hope for a 1 loss Nebraska or 2 loss Wiscy in the Big 10 championship game.   ASU v Oregon will be a play in game if both can continue to win, but either way the Pac 12 should get 1.  

FSU has the potential for upset vs Miami or Florida, even Vegas has this week's game vs Miami as a near toss up.  They have not been impressive for most of the year - with 1 loss I think they are out.  Their squeaker win vs ND looks a lot worse after ASU smacked ND this week. 

I do think Bama winning out and Miss State only losing to Bama opens the door for 2 SEC teams.  We'll see.  1 loss Miss State (only loss to Bama and a few quality wins) would be up against 1 loss OSU or 1 loss TCU or 1 loss Baylor.  I think they'd give that to Miss State.

ghost

November 11th, 2014 at 8:13 PM ^

Miss St.'s non conferencd schedule is an absolute joke and Baylor is paying for their non-conference schedule.  

It would be an awful way to start of the playoff by giving a playoff spot to the team that didn't win its conference and played an awful non conference schedule.  You would have 4 of the 5 conferences irate.

alum96

November 11th, 2014 at 8:43 PM ^

I agree Miss State OOC is horrid but the SEC West is the 1 division in football you can get away with it.  If you beat some combination (5 out of 6) of Ole Miss, Bama, Auburn, A&M, LSU (yes I realize A&M is down) and Arkansas (again down but Arkansas would probably be competitive with Wisconsin or Nebraska) you dont really need a quality OOC.  People will laugh about my comment about Arkansas but what Big 10 would play Miss State AND Alabama to a 1 possession game?  I doubt any.  Arkansas would be competing for a Big 10 championship in my estimation.  And they are winless in conference.

 

Muttley

November 12th, 2014 at 5:07 PM ^

The SEC West didn't lose an OOC game.

While the sample isn't huge, there isn't anything there to knock the conference that won 7 of the last 8 National Championships.

The B1G (Big Tehhhnn), on the other hand, posted losses in just about every significant OOC game (except for Indiana @Missouri, for Pete's sake.)

Significant OOC SEC West Games

SEC Team OOC Opponent Game Result Opp Sagarin Rank Site
Auburn Kansas St W 20-14 13 away
LSU Wiscy W 28-14 15 neutral
Alabama WVU W 33-23 29 neutral
Ole Miss Boise St W 35-13 37 neutral

Zero losses in other OOC games.

 

Significant OOC SEC East Games

SEC Team OOC Opponent Game Result Opp Sagarin Rank Site
Georgia Clemson W 45-21 23 home
S. Carolina E. Carolina W 33-23 56 home
Tennessee Oklahoma L 34-10 6 away
Vanderbilt Temple L 37-7 75 home
Missouri Indiana L 31-27 91 home

No other OOC losses

 

Jinxed

November 12th, 2014 at 7:10 AM ^

The casino is often times not looking for even betting, that's actually a myth. They usually set lines very slightly against the favorite because people tend to bet on the favorite even when they're less likely to cover. They'll take an even heavier position on some games depending on how the public is betting. 

LSAClassOf2000

November 11th, 2014 at 7:49 PM ^

We've got three quality losses (of varied degree, of course) on this list, so we might make this yet, folks *obvious sarcasm*

SBNation's bowl projection currently has, as a result of these rankings, a TCU-Miss. St. Sugar Bowl and an Oregon-FSU Rose Bowl, Alabama in the Orange Bowl and Arizona State, Auburn, Ohio State, Baylor, Ole Miss and UCLA in various New Year's Day bowls now. 

alum96

November 11th, 2014 at 7:57 PM ^

I'd have to see who Minnesota beat - quality wins matter.  Who are Marshall's top 3 wins vs Minnesota's sort of thing.  I think on another thread someone said Marshall's opponents winning percentage is in the low .400s.  That said if Marshall goes undefeated they'd be in one of the 4 playoff committee bowls based on all the projections - Minnesota would not.

I think this is a moot point - the BIg 10 west is very back loaded...Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Nebraska have largely avoided each other.  It would be like putting OSU MSU UM and PSU games all together in the last 3 weeks of the year (if UM and PSU were any good). 

My gut tells me Wiscy beats Nebraska and wins the west.  If Stave can be even mediocre they have the best defense in the west combined with the best running attack. 

Padog

November 11th, 2014 at 8:31 PM ^

Minnesota's best three wins are:
@ Michigan by 16
vs. Iowa by 37
vs. Northwestern by 7
With losses against TCU and a bad one @ Illinois.
Marshall's best there wins are:
vs. Middle Tennessee by 25
@ Akron by 31
vs. Ohio by 30
Probably a wash but there is almost no way Minnesota wins out. Marshall however is favored to win out.


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titanfan11

November 11th, 2014 at 7:56 PM ^

TCU is in "win and in mode" or do they have to be impressive?  

If Mississippi State beats Bama, Bama is most likely out.  On the flip side, Miss. State could drop 2 themselves and fall out of it.  I see ASU losing to either Arizona or Oregon, so they are out.  

So, TCU and Baylor...Baylor still has Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, and then Kansas State (on that last weekend, with a chance to impress pollsters), while TCU has Kansas, and interesting game at Texas on Thanksgiving night, and Iowa State.  

 

m1jjb00

November 11th, 2014 at 7:59 PM ^

I don't think TCU is win and in or have to win impressive.  I think they're in as long as the disaster scenario doesn't play out, which is Alabama winning out and Mississippi State winning all but against Alabama.  Then I think you get 2 SEC teams.  If that's coupled with Oregon & ASU winning to the Pac-12 championship and FSU winning out, then they're out.  Yes, I realize that this is unlikely.

m1jjb00

November 11th, 2014 at 7:59 PM ^

I don't think TCU is win and in or have to win impressive.  I think they're in as long as the disaster scenario doesn't play out, which is Alabama winning out and Mississippi State winning all but against Alabama.  Then I think you get 2 SEC teams.  If that's coupled with Oregon & ASU winning to the Pac-12 championship and FSU winning out, then they're out.  Yes, I realize that this is unlikely.

alum96

November 11th, 2014 at 8:06 PM ^

TCU's main threat is Bama beating Miss State and Miss State winning out.  Then it would be Miss State vs TCU for that last spot.  TCU has no championship game to benefit from.  TCU has no quality wins left to be had on their schedule.

OSU only has 1 quality win all year since the Big 10 is horrid, their OOC was horrid and they dont play Nebraska or Wisconsin in the regular season.  So they can have AT MOST 2 (Nebraska or Wisconsin in the championship game) quality wins.  TCU already has KSU, Oklahoma, West Virginia (West VA is not great but gave Bama a good game and it was a road victory in Morgantown)  OSU's 3rd best win is going to be Maryland.  Or Michigan.  At home.   And TCU's loss at last minute to Baylor is way better than OSU's albatross loss.  So OSU is frozen out barring multiple major upsets.

TCU's other threat is Baylor - who has Kansas State to finish the year.  It could be enough to leapfrog TCU as that would be a quality win.  But then Baylor v Miss State (if they only have 1 loss) is the debate.

So for most controversy we want Bama to beat Miss State, and win out.  We want Miss State to lose this week v Bama and then win out.  We want Baylor to beat KSU.  And have FSU lose.  That will create a huge debate between TCU v Baylor v FSU v Miss State for spots in the playoffs ;)  Only Bama and Oregon/ASU winner would be locked in, in this scenario.

m1jjb00

November 11th, 2014 at 7:56 PM ^

Baylor is running out of opportunities.  They play Okl St, Texas Tech and Kansas St all at home, but I think they can block out Ohio State.

It doesn't really matter, but I wouldn't have Texas A&M on the list, and I'd consider dropping Auburn more

Muttley

November 12th, 2014 at 6:44 PM ^

And so, besides home vs away happenstance, they play the same league schedule plus their respective OOC schedules.

Yes, Baylor did beat TCU 61-58 at home, but it also lost @WVU 41-27 while TCU won @WVU 31-30.  To those who say "It should be settled on the field," I ask, do the other Big 12 league games not matter?  Thus I would make the Baylor head-to-head win the very last tie-breaker.  (I'm still waiting for Dick Dastardly to give me the letter inviting me to be on the Playoff Committee.)

So let's look at the difference, their OOC schedules.

 

TCU Opponent Sagarin Rank Result Baylor Opponent Sagarin Rank Result
vs Minnesota 43 W 30-7 vs Northwestern St 136 70-6
vs Samford 111 W 48-14 @Buffalo 152 W 63-21
SMU 187 W 56-0 SMU 187 W 45-0

 

So, in my book, I put TCU in front of Baylor if they both win out because of their Minnesota win. But note that Minnesota finishes w/ OSU, @Nebraska, and @Wisconsin. If Minny wins just one of those, they show that they are to be taken seriously, and TCU's resume grades out better than Baylor's. If Minny loses out, then it gets a little murkier. Minny's best win would be Iowa 51-14, and the only reason Iowa is being discounted is because Minny beat them so badly. So I would still lean TCU. But it gets a lot closer then.

KennyGfanLMAO

November 11th, 2014 at 8:01 PM ^

They are a fun team to watch and should be undefeated right now (Baylor scored 24 unanswered in the 4th quarter to win by a score). Miss. State is also a fun team to watch, but I'd rather not have an SEC team take the title again.

alum96

November 11th, 2014 at 8:14 PM ^

As of *this week* TCU has a win over a top 25 team in their OOC (Minnesota baby!).  And they have a win vs a Power 5 conference team with a winning %.  

Baylor's non conf are all teams of the like of App State.  That said a win by Baylor over KSU combined with their head to head win over TCU I believe would move them ahead of TCU in the last week of the year as long as they beat KSU by a similar margin to how TCU did this week.

alum96

November 11th, 2014 at 8:17 PM ^

And Illinois beat Minnesota.  Some of the strange results of the year for sure.  But Wisconsin was playing a converted safety at QB for the first half of the year with Stave having the yips.  Still a strange game - I'd have to look at the game summary to see what happened, maybe NW had some pick 6s or something.

gwkrlghl

November 11th, 2014 at 9:15 PM ^

but goodness SEC teams are like deadweighted to the top of the rankings. OSU lost to (at the time undefeated) VT and dropped from #6 to #21 IIRC. #3 Auburn loses to unranked, 6-3 TAMU and only drops to #9. Auburn could lose out and still end the season at #25 I think

lilpenny1316

November 11th, 2014 at 10:23 PM ^

They didn't look like a team worthy of any ranking that night.  Plus the whole conference got punked that day.  There was no way they were going to drop just a few spots.

Auburn has played almost a full season and shown that their NC game appearance last year was no fluke.  Plus other teams lost as well.  You can't drop them below Sparty or other teams that haven't played as good of a schedule.  

titanfan11

November 11th, 2014 at 8:23 PM ^

has to be pulling for certain things, with this being the first year of the playoff, right?  

I mean, is it their worst nightmare for...

Mississippi State to lose to Bama and Ole Miss

Bama to in turn lose to Auburn

Georgia to win the SEC title game

TCU loses to Texas

Baylor to lose to K State

Arizona State to lose to Arizona then beat Oregon in the PAC title game

 

I know that is all unlikely, but it would be complete chaos come mid-December.  

chatster

November 12th, 2014 at 12:14 AM ^

Imagine the Power Five conference champions, Duke, Arizona State, Missouri, Wisconsin and Kansas State battling for the four places in the College Football Playoff.
 
Here’s how that might happen (with apologies for the length):
 
ACC:  Florida State loses to Miami, beats Boston College and Florida, and then loses to Duke on a last-second field goal in the ACC Championship game, making Florida State 11-2.  Duke, having beaten Virginia Tech, Wake Forest, North Carolina and Florida State, finishes 12-1, with their only loss having been at Miami.
 
Big 12:  Using your scenario, TCU finishes 10-2, with losses to Baylor and Texas.  Baylor finishes 10-2, with losses to West Virginia and Kansas State.  Kansas State, having also beaten West Virginia, finishes 10-2, with losses to Auburn and TCU,  so it wins the Big 12 at 8-1.
 
Big Ten:  Wisconsin beats Nebraska, making both of them 8-2.  Minnesota upsets Ohio State, making both of them 8-2. Wisconsin and Minnesota then are tied for first at 5-1 in the Big Ten West, Ohio State and Michigan State then are both 5-1. . . . Ohio State then beats both Indiana and Michigan by more than 40 points to finish 10-2 and first in the Big Ten East at 7-1 with lots of “style points” and a Heisman Trophy candidate.  Nebraska loses to Minnesota and beats Iowa to finish 9-3 (5-3 in Big Ten West.)  Minnesota beats Nebraska, but then loses to Wisconsin to finish 9-3 (6-2 in Big Ten West.)  Wisconsin, also with a Heisman Trophy candidate, finishes 10-2 (7-1 in Big Ten West.)  Wisconsin beats Ohio State in the Big Ten championship game to finish 11-2.
 
NOTE: I'm not hoping for a blowout loss for Michigan at Ohio State. I'd much prefer to see one of the greatest upsets in the history of the series.  I've used the blowout loss only for purposes of this scenario and to imagine how those on the Committee who like those "style points" might react.
 
Pac 12:  I’ll stick with your scenario in the Pac 12, with Arizona State losing to Arizona, but beating Oregon in the Pac 12 Championship game. (I’m guessing that you’ve got Arizona losing to Utah and UCLA losing to USC, so that Arizona State is the Pac 12 South winner because it beat USC, even though both would be 6-2 in the conference. I’ll have USC winning out to finish 9-3, so that also would leave Notre Dame at 9-3.)
 
SEC:  I’ll switch your scenario a little.  Missouri barely beats Texas A & M, Tennessee and Arkansas (by fewer than six points in each game) to finish 10-2, 7-1in the SEC East.  Georgia finishes 10-2, beating Auburn, Charleston Southern and Georgia Tech by more than 30 points each, with both Nick Chubb and Todd Gurley running for more than 150 yards in each game, and they finish 10-2, with lots of “style points,” but lose the SEC East at 6-2, even though they won at Missouri, 34-0. . . . Mississippi State is 10-2, 6-2 in SEC West, with losses to Alabama and Mississippi; Alabama is 10-2, 6-2 in SEC West with losses to Mississippi and Auburn; Mississippi, having also beaten Arkansas, finishes 10-2, 6-2 in SEC West, with losses to LSU and Auburn.  Mississippi wins the SEC West, but loses to Missouri in the SEC championship game.
 
In those scenarios, Duke is 12-1 and ACC Champ, Arizona State is 11-2 and Pac 12 Champ, Missouri (not Georgia) is 11-2 and SEC Champ, Wisconsin is 11-2 and Big Ten Champ, Kansas State is 10-2 and Big 12 Champ, Florida State is 11-2, Oregon is 11-2, Georgia is 10-2, Mississippi State is 10-2, Alabama is 10-2, TCU is 10-2, Baylor is 10-2, Michigan State is 10-2, Mississippi is 10-3, Ohio State is 10-3 . . . and the only unbeaten FBS team is Marshall at 12-0.

OccaM

November 11th, 2014 at 8:32 PM ^

Crazy that Oregon leapfrogged FSU... didn't think they would have the guile to do that. 

What happens if everyone in the SEC ends up with 2 losses or more? How ironic would it be if the SEC is left out after all the hyping of the SEC lol. 

m1jjb00

November 11th, 2014 at 8:38 PM ^

By my eye, if Mississippi State loses to Alabama and then wins out, it deserves to go ahead of TCU, if you're ranking them by accomplishment.  The bottom half of the schedule looks alike with only the Texas Tech pasting standing out.  Even if you think the Football Outsiders' F/+ rankings love the SEC too much, I'd give Miss St the edge.  Still, a lot of football to go.

 

F/+ Mississippi State   F/+ TCU  
1 @ Alabama   8 @ Baylor 58-61
2 @ Ole Miss   11 vs Oklahoma 37-33
5 vs Auburn 38-23 26 vs Kansas State 41-20
10 @ LSU 34-29 27 @ West Virginia 31-30
37 vs Arkansas 17-10 34 vs Minnesota 30-7
47 vs Texas A&M 48-31 53 @ Texas  
77 @ Kentucky 45-31 69 vs Oklahoma State 42-9
86 vs UAB 47-34 81 vs Texas Tech 82-27
96 @ South Alabama 35-3 83 vs Iowa State  
110 vs Vanderbilt   102 @ Kansas  
118 vs Southern Miss 49-0 128 @ SMU 56-0
  vs UT Martin 45-16   vs Samford 48-14

 

ESNY

November 11th, 2014 at 8:48 PM ^

Still have no idea how Bama is above ASU but at least they had the balls to move TCU up past them.  Bama's and ASU's best wins are against overrated teams (LSU and ND) and losses against teams ranked next to each other (Ole Miss/UCLA).  Bama's next best wins are WV and Texas A&M and ASU has Utah and then USC.  

The bottom of the list is still showing SEC bias, even if it doesn't really mean anything.  I mean how is Georgia still ranked 15 with 2 putrid losses and one semi-decent and it is some nerve to still rank Texas A&M, even with their win last week

m1jjb00

November 11th, 2014 at 9:26 PM ^

Getting killed by UCLA is not good.  'Bama didn't get killed.  But, otherwise, I kind of agree with you so far.  But, at the end of the day,if Alabama wins out, they'll easily deserve to be in. They'll deserve to be in over ASU if they have the same record (1 or 2 losses).

F/+ Alabama   F/+ Arizona State  
2 @ Ole Miss 17-23 20 vs UCLA 27-62
5 vs Auburn   22 vs Notre Dame 55-31
6 vs Mississippi St   24 @ USC 38-34
10 @ LSU 20-13 OT 30 @ Arizona  
27 vs West Virginia* 33-23 31 vs Utah 19-16 OT
37 @ Arkansas 14-13 35 vs Stanford 26-10
38 @ Tennessee 34-20 61 @ Washington 24-10
41 vs Florida 42-21 73 @ Oregon State  
47 vs Texas A&M 59-0 74 @ Colorado 38-24
105 vs Florida Atl 41-0 76 vs Washington St  
118 vs Southern Miss 52-12 85 @ New Mexico 58-23
  vs W Carolina     vs Weber State 45-14

 

21-194-13

November 11th, 2014 at 11:27 PM ^

It happened in 2007, they got in because West Virginia lost to Pitt. 

 

You have to root for Oregon, ASU, FSU, TCU and Miss State or Bama to win out.

Miss State could lose to Alabama or Ole Miss or SEC title game.

Oregon could lose to Oregon State or PAC 12 title game.

Alabama could lose to Miss State or Auburn or SEC title game.

TCU could lose @ Texas on Thanksgiving Day.

Arizona State could lose to Arizona or PAC 12 title game.

Baylor could lose to Kansas State.