1996-The year that gives me hope
November 22nd, 2010 at 10:12 PM ^
John Cooper. I miss that man.
November 22nd, 2010 at 10:15 PM ^
Stranger stuff has happened. We haven't seen our team play a "complete" game yet, let's hope it happens on Sat. Those seniors really deserve the win, let's hope they get it! GO BLUE!
November 23rd, 2010 at 8:19 AM ^
Anything can happen is right! We need the offense from the Illinois game to show up and the defense from the [TBD] game to show up. Then we'll win!!!
GO BLUE!!!
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:53 AM ^
I think for our Offense to duplicate what they did in the IL game, we need OSU's D to impersonate the IL D...
November 22nd, 2010 at 10:21 PM ^
I'm all in!
November 22nd, 2010 at 10:37 PM ^
I clearly remember watching the 96' game...would have been 14 at the time. It was a huge victory after such a tough season losing at N'western, home vs PSU, and at Purdue...Damn though we had one hell of a kicker, Mr. Hamilton back then, and a very solid D, but I like your parallel between 1996 and 2010. We have the imbalance just on the other side of the ball...I would love another 13-9 victory!!!!!
November 22nd, 2010 at 10:42 PM ^
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November 22nd, 2010 at 10:44 PM ^
My freshman year of college. Big play was a slant pass to Tai Streets; Buckeye defender slipped and fell.
November 22nd, 2010 at 11:18 PM ^
My frosh year too. And that wasn't just any Buckeye defender that slipped and fell, that was All-American Shawn Springs.
Ahhh....the good old days.
November 22nd, 2010 at 11:19 PM ^
November 22nd, 2010 at 11:52 PM ^
My cousin was at UM from 1988-1991. 4-0 against Ohio State. She had it pretty good.
November 23rd, 2010 at 2:21 AM ^
when we finally win this game, be it this week or another, it will be the sweetest victory i've ever experienced, im sure of that. i've never experienced a streak like this in my life, but when it ends, im going ape shit all over everybody. 4-0 while at school would be great but it is possible to take it for granted a bit. i hope to god this week is it, because it would go down in michigan lore up with the 69 game.
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:34 AM ^
this thing you've signed up for (UM fandom) -- it stays with you for life.
November 23rd, 2010 at 8:54 AM ^
I was stuck here for 2007-2010. : ( My first attended game was The Horror and my last (as a student) was Wisconsin on Saturday... BAH.
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:36 AM ^
nothing else to say
November 22nd, 2010 at 10:56 PM ^
Lloyd wasn't exactly "embattled" in 1996... And if you could loosely use the term, it was nowhere close to the situation today.
November 23rd, 2010 at 2:33 AM ^
He wasn't under any serious threat of losing his job (it was only his second year), but he was not popular with the fanbase. Many fans wanted him fired after the '94 season (when he was the DC), and were disappointed to see him get the interim job. Even after beating OSU in his first two years, people were still upset with him over losing four games in each of the first two years. There were lots of articles in the '97 preseason magazines talking about how we were losing our way (one even said "The M now stands for Mediocrity"). The national title really changed things for him. After that he was pretty much bulletproof.
November 23rd, 2010 at 3:04 AM ^
And the preseason outlook for '97 was really muddied by the fact that the year started against a tough Colorado team, the schedule didn't have any bye weeks, Notre Dame was expected to be good, Iowa, Ohio State, Penn State were all strong contenders, everything was completely wide open. It was pretty reasonable to assume, looking at that one going into it, that there were pretty serious question marks. Which just makes it all the more amazing when you look at what happened.
November 23rd, 2010 at 8:36 AM ^
Was 7-5 and losing ground in the Big Ten. Muddied indeed.
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:28 AM ^
http://books.google.com/books?id=eNThHqwUK7kC&pg=PA609&lpg=PA609&dq=Mic…
In the season preview magazine, The Sporting News ran a "What's wrong with Michigan?" story. The author, Michigan alum and free-lance writer Michael Bradley, called the Wolverines "a withering national power" and a school that looked "like a corporation that has just had a lucrative patient expire and is unprepared to handle the hungry competition banging on the market-place door." The answer to TSN's question was that nothing was wrong with Michigan, though the disparaged Wolverines were coming off four straight years in which they lost four games each season. Led by junior Charles Woodson's brilliant play in the defensive backfield and his touchdowns as a pun returner and an occasional wide receiver, Michigan (12-0) swept the Big 10 behind quarterback Brian Griese's sharp play and a truly superb defense. Michigan rallied to upend Cinderella Washington State (10-2) 21-16 in the Rose Bowl to earn the AP half of the national title. It was Michigan's first national championship since 1948. Perhaps, Mr. Bradley wished he has written his story earlier.
November 22nd, 2010 at 11:05 PM ^
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November 22nd, 2010 at 11:18 PM ^
But I still stick to my point that the 96 game wasn't that much of an upset.
Also, I think it's more likely for a strong D meh O to pull an upset than the other way around.
But as you say, we win on Saturday. Just Because. And also because I think Wiscy was a worse matchup for us. tOSU's running game, while good, isn't as good as the Badger road-grinders.
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:30 AM ^
It was a 16-17 point spread back then too.
November 22nd, 2010 at 11:28 PM ^
The offense wasn't terrible by any stretch, just had a relatively weak quarterback (as much as I liked Scott Dreisbach). And let's also remember the OSU game was a crapshoot with Dreisbach unable to start and Griese, who had been pretty meh in '95 injury relief, stepping in for his first-ever start.
That season was such a roller-coaster, between a tough Northwestern loss, Will Carr fumbling away a win at Purdue (worst experiment ever), and getting relatively throttled at home to Penn State. I'll never forget how hard it rained during the BC game. Standing on the bench watching about 3 inches of water flow like Niagara Falls underneath us...
November 23rd, 2010 at 2:26 AM ^
QB wasn't the only issue. The skill positions in general were weaker than usual. There was a major dropoff in rushing production from Biakabutuka to Chris Howard/Clarence Williams, and at WR we replaced Toomer and Hayes with a young Tai Streets and not much else (hence Woodson's dabbling at WR). The one thing we had was a good OL. It took over in the second half of the OSU game.
Griese did not start the OSU game. Dreisbach played in the first half, and then either got hurt or was simply benched (we trailed 9-0 at the half), and then Griese played the second half. In any event, that game was not a crapshoot - we were a huge, huge underdog coming in.
November 23rd, 2010 at 2:59 AM ^
Oh, yeah, you're right. It was another case of Dreisbach's traitorous hand, right? Griese started the bowl game, as I recall (terrible INT near the goal line... must exorcise from memory banks...)...
November 22nd, 2010 at 11:07 PM ^
Anything can happen. The defense obviously will have a tough go of it, but we also don't know how the OSU faithful would handle UM taking a lead into the 4th quarter and if Pryor would be able to respond. Should be a great game.
November 22nd, 2010 at 11:12 PM ^
there's a distinction between having an awesome/putrid defense/offense as opposed to offense/defense. Forcing the other guy to execute perfectly is usually far easier than being forced to execute perfectly.
That being said, I agree growold, let's add an offensive bookend to that improbable '96 defensive win. GO BLUE!
November 23rd, 2010 at 12:01 AM ^
That 1996 team underachieved and had a bipolar like personality. Beat a top 5 Colorado team on the road but could only muster 3 points against a 9 loss Purdue team in a 9-3 loss. They blow a 16 point lead in the 4th quarter against Northwestern but beat #2 Ohio State in Columbus. It was crazy.
That was a great game. Even though it was 9-0 at halftime, I still had a good feeling that we would come back and win. That was back in the days when I had hope. I've forgotten what that feels like.
That 1996 team also got inspired while watching former OSU coach Earl Bruce speak at a pep rally that was televised. It was never printed what he said but he apparently ticked off our players and they played inspired football the next day because of it.
November 23rd, 2010 at 12:35 AM ^
OSU was #1 going into The Game in 1996. Despite losing to Michigan, they still went to the Rose Bowl, won and finished second in both polls.
If you want to pick a game that really hurt OSU, go with '93. Michigan was 6-4 coming into the Game. OSU was 9-0-1. OSU probably would have gone to the Rose Bowl if they'd won, but ended up going to the Holiday Bowl after Michigan won 28-0.
November 23rd, 2010 at 2:28 AM ^
You guys were #2 coming into the Game, same as in '95. Either FSU or Florida was #1 (and the other one was #3).
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:39 AM ^
But they later lost to FSU....but then got to play FSU again to win the National Championship. In 1997, I was at the bar and a reporter from one of the local Detroit News stations was there getting reaction from the M win, and we were watching Florida upset FSU to knock them from the unbeatens, and he pointed out that he went to Florida, and we were nice enough to beat OSU so Florida could win the Title the year before (an undefeated OSU team would have obviously been ranked ahead of a one loss Florida team), so they were returning the favor by beating FSU.
November 23rd, 2010 at 3:01 AM ^
And don't forget there was a hefty contract incentive if Cooper could get the Buckeyes a National Championship (maybe even just top 2 going into the bowl season) and both the '95 and '96 losses caused him not to get it.
Such a shame.
November 23rd, 2010 at 12:16 PM ^
I've had several Buckeye fans admit to me that you guys were not as good as your 9-0-1 record indicated in 93 before the Michigan game and you were a bit exposed. Likewise, we were not as bad as our 6-4 record. Those mid-90's Michigan teams seemed to have excellent records against top 10 teams but put up 4 straight 4 loss seasons with very fluke like plays - the hail mary against Colorado, the fluke fumble return against Illinois after it seemed the game was one, etc. It was a strange time. Lloyd Carr was actaully feeling the heat his first two seasons and it is generally believed that those upset wins over OSU in 95 and 96 saved his job.
Back to the 93 game, it also didn't hurt that Buckeye players claimed that "Michigan is dead," before the game within ear shot of our players. That was another great thing about the 90's. Buckeye players would always open their big mouths before the game and never be able to back it up on the field. OSU was the classic evil villain that always ended up vanguished in the end.
I want that back like you wouldn't believe.
November 23rd, 2010 at 12:21 PM ^
We were still favored by the spread in '93. Everyone thought it was crazy, but it turned out to be right. That's what happens when you've gone 4-0-1 in your previous 5 games against a team.
November 23rd, 2010 at 8:57 AM ^
Ugh, the Purdue loss... I can still picture the William Carr fumble on the goal line.
November 23rd, 2010 at 3:25 AM ^
If Avery, Vinopal, Ezeh and Demens play like Woodson, Ray, Irons and Sword, it just might happen.
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:17 AM ^
It's amazing that any coach who recruited as well as Cooper did, and who had an overall record as good as he did at OSU did so poorly against Michigan. He didn't have a strong bowl record either. I always thought he was a horrible game tactician who lost most of the tough, important games but beat almost all of the bad teams with ease.
His era was great for Michigan. It's too bad his successor seems to be a pretty darn good game tactician. Maybe he doesn't always get all he can from his players, but Tressel is a pretty savvy tactician and doesn't make many horrible decisions. He's a God to Ohio high school coaches and has perfected his earnest recruiting persona.
Although he's been tough for Michigan to beat, if the Wolverines can return to their normal place at the top in college football we may get a few years (maybe even a decade) of classic Bo-Woody-type battles with the Buckeyes. Like FSU-Miami in the '80s and FSU-Florida in the '90s. THAT would be great for The Game and the rivalry.
November 23rd, 2010 at 8:11 AM ^
they absolutely pale in comparison to the magnitude of our defensive problems this year.
November 23rd, 2010 at 8:55 AM ^
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:27 AM ^
My hope for this game is solely rooted in the fact that college football history is filled with ridiculously improbable upsets. They happen virtually every year, sometimes on the road, and they always involve measurables that appear to be just as daunting to the underdog's chances as ours do this year.
I'm also not saying that the 1996 wasn't a big upset; I'm just saying that the odds are even more stacked against us this year. But there is always a chance...
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:40 AM ^
of three times that Brian Griese beat OSU. Hopefully this Saturday will be the first of three times that Denard beats them.
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:46 AM ^
That was the game we basically outscored them. I mean, it felt like we were completely in control, but the score was closer than the feeling was. Sure it was here, but if we're going to win Saturday, it would have to mirror 1995 more.
Scores by quarters: | |||||
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Michigan | 7 | 3 | 7 | 14 | 31 |
Ohio | 3 | 6 | 6 | 8 | 23 |
http://bentley.umich.edu/athdept/football/umosu/rivalrep/1995osu.htm
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:33 AM ^
It's really amazing that during that era, 31-23 is "basically outscoring them." I don't disagree, but 31-23 would be an average, possibly even low scoring Michigan game this year.
I agree, 31 against this Buckeye D would be a great start, though. And if we hold them to 23, I feel confident we can at least get 24...
November 23rd, 2010 at 11:03 AM ^
Since 1947 we only scored more against OSU once than we did in 1995. We've done it 3 times since then. And we haven't won too many of them since then.
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:36 AM ^
shortly after we also wone a NC. its gonna happen in 2012 !
November 23rd, 2010 at 5:15 PM ^
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