WTKA Roundtable 10/7/2021: Meditations on a Fetty Wapping
Things discussed:
- A Fetty Wapp is the internet term for a 38-17 victory.
- Wisconsin’s left tackle was really bad in pass pro.
- Wisconsin’s defense is For Real. Sanborn and Chenal were beating up on our tight ends.
- Exception: split zone versus a guy slanting inside from inside. That block doesn’t work. Can’t punish that with McNamara.
- Ben Mason is pined for. Dives behind Stueber and Zinter work.
- I mean if someone said this was single wing offense versus a 5-3 defense in 1950 what’s the difference?
- Are our mesh points real? Seth now thinks McNamara is missing them.
- Michigan capitalized in some high-leverage situations.
- McNamara: Missed a lot of long reads that we never saw because Fox broadcasts are so bad. If you go to the video at around 11 minutes you can see the screenshots that Sam brought up. Wheel route: McNamara put it in the only spot that safety could have broken it up. First play he had a TD to Sainristil. The shorted throw on 4-verts to Roman had a wide open seam to All.
- Hutchinson was rampant. Michigan played with a 5-1-5 and can get away with it because Hutch owns one edge and Dax owns the other.
- Defense had such a dominant start it could have been 28-0 after the 1st quarter.
- Hockey talk: Exhibition looked like Michigan is going to be a MONSTER this year. Kent Johnson has turned the corner. Mix of forwards seems to be perfect for three lines of a Grinder+Scorers.
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October 7th, 2021 at 11:34 AM ^
i was honestly terrified to google "fetty wapp" from my work computer. thank god.
although, now that i think about it, the middle-aged dorks in my i.t. department may have thought the same thing i did, so i might not be quite out of the woods.
October 7th, 2021 at 12:05 PM ^
So, there's a lot of room for improvement with Cade.
Commenters on the board who have said that have gotten wallopped for it ever since the Washington game. Grateful for what he's done so far, but would love to see growth in the areas that you guys identified (namely: getting mesh point decisions correct, recognizing and hitting downfield reads in his progressions).
Nothing he can do about the QB running game aspect of split zone; we'll just have to wait (until next year?) for JJ on that.
Very entertaining/informative podcast on the whole. Thank you!
October 7th, 2021 at 10:32 PM ^
The pushback against the Cade criticism isn't that he needs to make improvements as much as people saying "he's a below-average Big 10 QB" or "he's costing this offense and should be replaced by JJ". Oh, and people reflexively blaming him for every mistake his WRs run. Like, he's absolutely making mistakes out there but it's funny how on every podcast I hear the same voices making excuses for bad plays by the WRs going on 3-4 years now. At some point I just sort of tune out people who say "yeah it hit the WRs hands but, like, it could have been thrown better so that's on the QB" after every incompletion.
Also, I'm fairly certain JJ also won't be running the ball 15+ times a game next year. People may just have to accept that UM isn't going to run that type of offense with Harbaugh at the helm. He'll likely run guys more if they are faster but McCarthy isn't a run-first QB and I'd be surprised if he did it any more frequently than peak Patterson in 2018.
October 7th, 2021 at 12:16 PM ^
Regarding Ben Mason and Khalid Hill: As Brian correctly noted, in short yardage, Michigan used to bring out Ben Mason and Khalid Hill and virtually assure picking up the line-to-gain or goal line. However, I do not believe that it is accurate to characterize all of those plays as ones that included a lead-blocker, because more often than not, the play would be to give the ball to the fullback, not to let the full back act as lead blocker. The design of that short-yardage fullback dive is that the QB is under center, and the full-back is a giant fast guy who is lined up directly behind the QB. It is fast-hitting, and hard hitting, but does not include a lead blocker.
October 7th, 2021 at 10:28 PM ^
I could be misremembering but I disagree. I feel like they rarely gave the ball to Mason in short yardage. He was usually the lead blocker.
October 7th, 2021 at 10:34 PM ^
Yeah, most of the time it was a quick handoff to the FB, who was the upback on those plays. Sometimes they'd use Hill or Mason as a run blocker but more often than not it was about slamming them into the line to get the yard or two themselves.
October 7th, 2021 at 2:12 PM ^
Those stills from the All 22 film were really helpful. It’s a shame that film is reserved for broadcasters and coaches. Seth would be much more thorough with his analysis if he was privy to this.
October 7th, 2021 at 2:19 PM ^
Love the eye in the sky/ all 22 angle and Sam's breakdown. Easy for us to see, esp with the benefit of slow motion, but certainly restores my faith in speed in space.
Even away from his prediction of a M win, Brian has been a little more upbeat about this team every week.
Lucy does that to you...
October 8th, 2021 at 9:07 AM ^
Agreed. Gattis really seems to have schemed a bunch of people open on Saturday.
BTW, the stills start at around 19:30 minutes for me (not 11:00).
October 7th, 2021 at 3:00 PM ^
Confident predictions.
I think Michigan is 10 points better on a neutral field but this is just a tough spot for them.
October 7th, 2021 at 4:01 PM ^
Reverse Fetty Wapping. The score needs to be 17-38 for a Fetty Wapping and not 38-17.
October 7th, 2021 at 4:20 PM ^
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October 7th, 2021 at 10:31 PM ^
That 4th down play with the Wisconsin player slanting inside of Hayes is part of the disagreement I mentioned in the Space Coyote post I had. I don't know what Miller said about it, but SC basically said something similar it seems. He said the footwork and base wasn't great and he should wash that DL into the pile and Haskins should cut behind him. But Brian is saying sure it could work, but it doesn't. Can't see I can judge who is right there, but that's the sort of thing SC and Brian disagreed on when Hoke was here.
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