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Seth

The thing I like most about daily fantasy games is having a thing to do with all this football knowledge that "it's my job" is only so much an excuse to accumulate. My job doesn't need me to know ahead of time that so-and-so has an 8-foot manbeast at running back and that the direction state university they're playing this week really should have gone Division III a decade ago. I don't really remember how all this information was acquired. It kinda assembled in my brain and sits there.

I can only foist so much of it on phone calls with friends (I mean, eventually you do have to ask about the kids) and the mgoslackchat. So I play Draft Kings, whom you may have noticed have been one of our best supporters for a very long time now, and who you also many have noticed are all over the place lately.

But remember these games are about exploiting market inefficiency. That blitz is your friend; they're sucking in tons of new players who don't know exactly what I'm talking about. And Ohio State fans.

Unfortunately the secret's out about the beast, and Buckeyes Bucking against Indiana is a smart play. So I've got a new dude. He is playing a team that doesn't stop anything, and his team is just starting to block everything, and his game just got moved to the early slot so his competition is unbalanced, and half the people in the pool are all gonna have the same guys. Don't listen to the weatherman who says the weather's gonna be clearer than you thought. I say it's gonna pour.

Details:

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  • Top 7,850 scores win money guaranteed
  • Starts on Saturday, October 3rd at 12:00 PM EST
  • Salary Cap Style Drafting. $50,000 to select 9 spots.
  • Roster Format: 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 2 Flex

Comments

Hemlock Philosopher

October 2nd, 2015 at 12:12 PM ^

I don't understand why they cannot do this. Fan Duel is doing the same thing (eliminating the game). I am currently in a Th-Fri pool and just did and NFL Mo-Th pool, so multiday or multi-slot times should not be an issue. Both FD and DK should have just kept it on the slate - but I guess they may have missed some late entrants if they did so.

mlGOBLUE

October 1st, 2015 at 9:36 PM ^

I totally respect that the blog needs to make money, and have no problem with advertising and having sponsors. However, I think blurring content with advertising like this is a mistake and degrades something that I think is about the best thing in the whole world. It may well be that my humble opinion matters not, but I mean this as sincere input and not a complaint.

Blue2000

October 1st, 2015 at 10:39 PM ^

However, I think blurring content with advertising like this is a mistake and degrades something that I think is about the best thing in the whole world.

Nicely said, and 100% acccurate.  This Dave Brandon-esque.  

And holy cow, is there no escaping the obnoxiousness that is Draft Kings?  Their commercials are everywhere, and every one of them is totally unbearable.  

Seth

October 1st, 2015 at 10:56 PM ^

Only if Dave Brandon let you into Michigan Stadium for free.

Long before DK went ad blitzing they were supporting us, and they continued to do so when half the readership bolted because who wants to read about a puttering out Brady Hoke team after ND did to Michigan what Michigan just did to BYU.

We're sports fans here--fantasy sports is a no-brainer sponsor. Before we had one we had these rooms popping up on board threads. But I've been extremely careful in how we do it. We have ONE sponsor from that market. Before it was DK it was Draft Street, which Larry Axelband--our contact guy--built from the ground up. He sold that to DK and oversaw the incorporation of his play database into their system. Compare the player rating system of DK to FD one day and you'll see how effective that was.

I play these all the time but I prefer the two times a month or so when we have an MGoReadership game and I can recognize all the handles. If you think I can offset this better let me know; I wil incorporate it if I can or unless I have a very good reason not to. I think we've been very clear when Draft Kings is sponsoring that we do a thing, which is more than I can say for Grantland.

DK isn't shy about the fact that they've been in a war with FanDuel, and you're well aware of the outcome. But you should also note that while leaping from obscurity to ALL THE ADS, the only uptick in DK ad frequency on this site is they're now sponsoring a segment on the radio show.

We're trying to have our living and have our longtime sponsor, and have our readership not annoyed and have our site free. I can control what we put on this site and how, but I think it'd be unfair for us to stop doing the thing we've been doing for four years because our sponsors got huge.

mlGOBLUE

October 1st, 2015 at 11:08 PM ^

Just to be clear, I am not against advertising, and I don't doubt MGoBlog readers are an ideal target for DK. It's just that when I can't tell until half way through a front page posting whether I am reading content or an ad, I think it changes something big. Go Blue!

Squader

October 2nd, 2015 at 12:38 AM ^

I realize I'm nobody as far as this blog is concerned, but wanted to share a data point. I've got a group of friends who were at Michigan during the late Carr years and started reading this site then, though none of us post much if at all. Many of us have clicked beveled guilt more than once and bought HTTV. After this ad post went up I got text messages that are a combination of lamenting and ticked. I'm sure this is good for the blog's business health, but there is real damage being done out there. 

Clearly, part of the attraction for the advertiser (as with all "native advertising" on the web) is getting people to read the ad by tricking them into thinking it's real content. Thus a post written in natural voice with a title that we all hope will be suitable for Brian's game column, rather than a banner or sidebar or whatever. I want to add my voice to those saying that ads are obviously not a problem, but that content that works by appearing to try to trick your readers is. It costs MGoBlog trust and respect, at least among some readers, in a way a banner ad never would.

In the interests of being constructive, could sponsored posts have a maize banner instead of blue? A simple change like that would go a long way to allaying these concerns.

And, relatedly, is there a level of annual contributions from the readership that would obviate the need for these (but not necessarily all) ads? Name the approximate price per person and I'll set up a recurring donation.

Edit: Clicking the tag shows that these posts started last season, so perhaps the combination of DK's higher visibility and a lack of reading much last year has some of us noticing them more than would otherwise be the case. But I think the general point stands.

Gulo Gulo Luscus

October 2nd, 2015 at 2:24 AM ^

I graduated in 2005 and post sparingly and I'm with you Squader. I don't doubt that the guys from Homesure and Draft Kings have been personally and professionally great to the blog, but had a similar response. Somewhat counterintuitively, advertising in the brilliant voice of the MGoStaff (even when embedded transparently and executed earnestly) is more viscerally upsetting than the most obnoxious banner I've seen here. I think many would pay to avoid any form of advertising, get exclusive access to maybe one piece of front page content a week, and have a board area for members only or "mute" feature.  I'm looking at the "when did this place become MLive?" crowd with the latter.

Worth looking into; maybe Brian already has. A subscription model would come with its own challenges and could make this enterprise even more business than labor of love in the worst way.  If not for you or I, for the operators.  We don't have the position nor information to make that call, but I'd be interested in a board poll gauging price point and expected benefits.  

I'm in for $100 a year/$10 a month, and embarassed to admit I haven't shown that with beveled guilt until tonight.

bigdemo

January 10th, 2016 at 7:27 PM ^

Nice to meet you. I can't believe I missed this way back, but I am a real person who owns a local (Royal Oak) and very small (I have one part time assistant) mortgage business. I have been a daily reader for a long time. I read The Horror when I got home from The Horror. I love this blog. I'm not Draft Kings, I do care. Brian and Seth both refinanced with me. The testimonials are genuine and were earned. They were impressed because I work hard for my clients.

UM in NC

October 2nd, 2015 at 7:53 AM ^

I am with Squader et al on this one.  I usually just lurk and rarely comment, but this DK stuff has been bothering me for quite awhile.  I also am fine with ads and I see that the post is tagged appropriately, but I don't usually look that closely.  I see a headline about running backs and click expecting the usual great content.  Then I feel betrayed when it is DK (I have fallen for this trick on 5-6 posts now <insert joke about my intelligence here>. 

I am also happy to skip/not read things that don't interest me.  Just label it more clearly so I know to skip it.

Seth

October 2nd, 2015 at 11:36 AM ^

I think this is the most constructive idea so I'm posting my long reply to all the other suggestions under it. There isn't a color code but I can start labeling the headlines. The intent was never to trick anybody. If you don't like fantasy sports then you should skip it. If you do, and you're gonna end up trying daily fantasy anyway, let ours be the ad you click. They're paying us either way; the difference is whether you're playing against other MGoBloggers and that I try to pick a contest that's more fun and less something the people with algorithms are gaming. I am seriously, sorry for betraying you.

Why not just take donations instead of ads? If we start making levels of beveled guilt where you get something everyone else doesn't then that's great for the six-figure crowd to whom $100 or something isn't a big deal, and they don't treat it as a big deal.

But it's jolly rotten for anyone who can't afford that, which is a sizeable population. I've given to and been part of plenty of orgs that run on donations and they're huge sellouts. I can't tell you how many times I had to suck up to Mitch Albom while on the board of Volunteer Impact (and he still doesn't remember my name). The University of Michigan Athletic Department itself has to create special rooms and special meet and greets and throw names up everywhere to keep their donor base giving. It's annoying for the donors because they're constantly bombarded to give more and encouraged to play the game of one-upsmanship. It's annoying for the non-donors because they have to be bombarded with the names of people who can spend the price of their daughter's education on something like that. It's annoying for the coaches who have to smile and glad-hand these big ballers so they can go back to teaching kids to ball. The "let's let the rich pay for it so the rest can have it" model always becomes "let's let the rich have it how they want it and the rest can live in their J. Ira & Nicky Harris world."

But ads annoy. I'm Gen X; I've been inundated with ads since birth and rebeled against them too. But we also have to be realists: for half a century we got to watch TV for free because ads supported them. Michigan Replay would go to a break and you'd just have to sit there for several minutes watching GM parade their cars around before you could get back to the Brandy and Bo. The Buicks were on the same screen as the show. You changed the channel and instead of Bo there was a pickup driving over a pile of dirt and you dealt. It wasn't until cable bundles, and that they forced you to pay for the worst channel ever conceived by a non-fascist or communist nation to get the channels you actually wanted, that it got evil.

There's a transition that is going to have to happen for this to be worthwhile as a career for more than Brian. This blog started as internet obsessives who were just like "I'd rather write for basically free than not write." That was a STEAL if you read the site in 2007-2009, but if you saw Brian's apartment or Brian's car from that time (he still has the car) you'd recognize who you were stealing from. We don't want to ask readers to buy us new cars; we'd much rather earn the money to buy new cars by asking you to give a few seconds of eye-to-brain time to sponsors who won't screw you before you read 11,000 words De'Veon Smith runs.

It is now one of the premier sports sites on the internet, and is the premier site for any one team. We're not going to bring in the money the Freep does, but with far more readers than their sports section it would be nice if our staff writers could be paid like the Freep pays theirs, i.e. enough to have a middle class existence. I made less than anyone who reads this site except the students last year. I have a mortgage and a kid and a busted up driveway that I can't fix, and a widowed mom and grandma-in-law, and would like to have more kids. The model we're shooting for isn't to get rich of this--it's to be only as annoying as we have to be in order to go to bed at night without having to answer "when are you going to be done with this and get a REAL job?"

The best model for free content is to have a bunch of ads. The best way to have ads that have value to the sponsors is that they are not easily skipped. It would be highly unethical of me to take their money and then undercut it by waving readers away. What I can do though is portray them honestly, in our own words. What I can do is select them and know what they do, and only take money from those who are actually worth your while. I can put in the time and effort to translate what they want to say rather than slap them on ever lunch box. That blurs the line of content, but I also find it a more honest way of serving both the advertisers and readers.

I totally understand why Draft Kings is bringing this to the surface, because they're spending hundreds of millions right now to hit you in all the places you go for content where you can't actually talk to the dudes who sold it. I ask that you keep that in perspective. Find me another Draft Kings-sponsored media outlet who will explain why and how and from whom they're taking this money. ESPN's app makes you scroll past "Daily Fantasy" in the menu bar to get to "College Football." Grantland has videos where they're drafting entire teams. Our radio ad for Draft Kings starts: "Ace, this is an ad break in a sports-themed show, what does that mean? It means Draft Kings!"

As for Homesure Lending sponsoring UFR, that is a guy who is breaking even on his advertising and who only advertises in one place: MGoBlog. Matt is a friend going way back to when he and my brother played football together at Seaholm. He put his time in at a retail lender, saw every way they hose their clients, and built a business that works exactly not like that. He offered to sponsor UFR because he was sick of there not being UFRs when Michigan loses to Ohio State or in a bowl game. He came up with the idea of football eve because the night before the first game of the season he's so damn jittery his family has to just about throw him out of the house. He saved me more on my mortgage payment than his ads make for me.

Run down our list of advertisers. Matt. There's Kevin from the Alumni Association, who is best friends with Ira, and wants to send HTTV to every member, and who told me in his first converstation that his goal is to make Michigan Alumni association membership the best deal in the Big Ten. There's Taylor from Park n Party, who does what he does so he can live next door to the stadium and buy burger meat for Peg Canham's barbecues. There's the guy who wants to make Michigan watches, the guy who wants to make Brown Jug replicas, and the guy who wants his new coffee shop to be the place where people congregate to talk about how Beilein's frontcourt is up to 240/250 pounds each. There's TiqIQ, because they hired Jared Cooper who used to run the now-defunct Sporst Power Weekends. There's Stubbs, whose head dude is an MGoBlog fan, and their "ad" was basically to make Joe Pichey available. There's Reid and his boutique local law firm he has to fight the ways old people get screwed. There's Kenny Magee, who wanted to turn his collection of Michigan memorabelia into a shop so he can share it with people and spend his days talking to other Michigan obsessives. And of course our first and longest sponsor, Rishi from UGP, who if you were to try to build the kind of guy you want running a business from the ground up this is precisely what you'd come up with. He is also the benchmark I use to decide who we'll take money from.

Note that CokeZero, the Draft Kings of last year, is not on that list. They came to us with a dumptruck of money, but they also didn't get who you are or how to make something valuable to you. The previous year's big spender, CBS, is also not on that list. Coors isn't on that list. Volkswagon isn't on that list.

With DK I work with Larry Axelband, who has come on here and interacted any time there's been a problem with an account. He also made it $5 cheaper to get HTTV after the Kickstarter every year. He was the guy at his own daily fantasy site, and now he is one guy with a little compartment of a huge daily fantasy site. I would like to continue taking his money and making it worthwhile to him, because we are sports fans who like to play fantasy sports, and even my threadbare shirt is impossible to lose betting $3 on a team I've assembled that has a very small chance of winning. Drafting the team is the fun part anyway. If you're down with all this, seriously, I am very open to suggestions of how I can make it not suck.

Thank you for the feedback. The lines are open.

Hemlock Philosopher

October 2nd, 2015 at 12:29 PM ^

Kudos, Seth, and thanks for the indepth explanation. You didn't have to go that deep, but you did. It's what MGoBlog does. MGoBlog has every right to make money for what it does. I know for a fact that MGoBlog enriches my life in many ways with it's understanding of sports and great and diverse community.

UM in NC

October 2nd, 2015 at 1:22 PM ^

I truly appreciate the response itself and the (perhaps easily overlooked) fact that you even bothered to respond much less actully listen and put some thought into it. I just got reamed by a customer because I made an error in judgement.  Inspired by your approach to this situation I listened to what the customer had to say, explained the circumstances that led to it and offered some ideas to make it better.  Thanks for setting a good example.

Gulo Gulo Luscus

October 2nd, 2015 at 1:51 PM ^

I dislike the ads for reasons stated above, but never felt duped nor has any of this impacted my habits here.  I had a feeling the decision-making that went into rolling them out was not taken lightly and your efforts there are second to none.  Thanks as always for your participation in the discussion and willingness to explain in detail and adjust based on consumer feedback.

Blue2000

October 2nd, 2015 at 7:03 AM ^

I can control what we put on this site and how, but I think it'd be unfair for us to stop doing the thing we've been doing for four years because our sponsors got huge.

I've been a reader of this blog since the Haloscan days (Gnarls Woodson for the win!), and I certainly don't begrudge you guys from relying on advertisers to maintain your livelihood and to keep this blog great.  (And in fact, this exchange has caused to me to make click the beveled guilt link and make a donation.)   But I don't recall posts that look like actual content but that are, in fact, little more than a lengthy advertisement for one of your sponsors being a "thing [you've] been doing for four years."  Was the first sentence of any post four years ago a link to a "daily fantasy game?"

I have no problem with Brian now starting the UFRs with a word from your sponsors.  (Nor do I have any issues with banner ads on the page.)    This feels very different.  Most (though admittedly not all) posts on the blog have something to do with Michigan.  This clearly doesn't, and does nothing but pimp DK's site.  I'd have no issue with a banner or a notice on an actual post about Michigan stating that it was sponsored by DK, and that we should go check the site out.  This clearly isn't that.  Put another way, Brian would post the UFRs whether or not there was a sponsor for them.  Would this post have been written but for the fact that DK is a sponsor?  

Finally, the fact that DK "got huge" is relevant.  Its commercials are obnoxious, they're everywhere, and that fact that DK is influencing content here prompts the same visceral reaction on this site as the commercials do everywhere else.  

Love the blog, and Go Blue!

Seth

October 2nd, 2015 at 11:52 AM ^

Well put, and you're right.

I tried for a time of having the DK sponsorships be tied to JamieMac articles. As you know, Jamie got sick. And we weren't paying him (not that he'd take our money) to do it, and he still has a very good job he does a very good job of, so getting stuff in timely was a thing. Frankly there isn't anyone better than JamieMac so replicating that is impossible. But I will ping him now to see if maybe he'd do it again.

Obviously from these responses I need to figure out another way of presenting their content.

As for the visceral reaction: yeah; but I'm asking for what's a better compromise with the readers than "okay Seth you have to drop Draft Kings as a sponsor now because ESPN took $40 million or whatever to let your sponsor eye-fuck everyone who consumes ESPN."

Maybe just label the posts Fantasy Whatever. Maybe there's a better idea. Just know the difference between having DK advertise at their current level is very close to the margin of whether or not I can do MGoBlog as a living.

Blue2000

October 2nd, 2015 at 12:03 PM ^

"okay Seth you have to drop Draft Kings as a sponsor now because ESPN took $40 million or whatever to let your sponsor eye-fuck everyone who consumes ESPN."

Dropping DraftKings as a sponsor is certainly not what I was suggesting (apologies if that was implied), and I don't want you to be unable to write for the blog as a living.  Like I said, I love his blog, and you guys are great.  Whatever it is you decide, I appreciate your thoughtful responses here.  

Jonesy

October 2nd, 2015 at 7:20 PM ^

I don't understand the complaining, I couldn't care less about fantasy football and these posts don't bother me at all. How hard is it to just not read it and if you got 'tricked' into clicking on it...who the fuck cares, hit the back button and move on.  Your clicks arent special things that need to be hoarded and protected, nor are the 5 seconds you lost.

Rasmus

October 2nd, 2015 at 8:20 AM ^

Well, talking about gambling has always had a presence here, mainly jamiemac. It was interesting and informative, even for someone like me who finds it interferes with my superstitions and thus does not partake.

And I'm too old to give a shit about fantasy sports. So I just kind of ignored the Draft Street stuff and just mined the strange posts where everyone is picking fantasy teams of B1G players for information about, you know, Michigan's opponents.

And now, with the advent of effective ad blockers, I kind of accept that this kind of useless advertising post is a reality. But I'd suggest that you all think carefully about drawing some red lines here, especially with regard to when the posts go up (and what they push down or off the front page) -- if I come to this site the day before The Game and find one of these bastards at the top of the front page, well, enough said. I'm not going to drone on about it. I do agree with Blue2000 that it is actually relevant that Draft Street got eaten by something "huge."

Finally, on the issue of gambling -- this is a slippery slope, is it not? At least betting doesn't masquerade as something else:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/29/sports/baseball/daily-fantasy-sports-…

Seth

October 2nd, 2015 at 11:54 AM ^

I think of all types of gambling it's hardest to lose your shirt on daily fantasy sports. I've lost more betting the guy in the row in front of me that 5 to 1 Peppers takes this one to the house. Peppers isn't returning 20% of punts so this is a bad bet. But I'm not buying the odds nor really trying to make money. I want that moment when Peppers does return one, when I'm high-fiving the whole section for calling it, and the dude is happily handing me $25 for not BELIEVING.

Gambling is dumb. It's also fun as shit.

howejunofe

October 3rd, 2015 at 10:45 AM ^

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